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03-20-2012 , 09:11 PM
Decided since I suck at poker and I am at a aggro table I limp AA utg. Limps through. Flop As5s3c. I bet. Guy calls. Js. Check check. 10d. I bet 35 into 85 (was weak I know) and he raises to 110. I fold. Im awesome at this game.
03-20-2012 , 09:13 PM
Playing like a little b****. Im so scared to be aggro because im getting crushed.
03-20-2012 , 09:14 PM
Did you just fold under-repped top set?
03-20-2012 , 09:17 PM
Yep. Never good there IMO. What does he have there that I beat? Dude turned a flush for sure.
03-20-2012 , 09:18 PM
oh I didn't see the club on turn.

ya, good fold.
03-20-2012 , 09:22 PM
There may just be an explanation other than variance for your misfortune.
03-20-2012 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Keep dreaming, you are just a reg fish 2/5 grinder who eeks out a meager living in cali and can't even correctly apply concepts.

You don't even know what gbucks is dude yet you go around waving your arms screaming "Look at me! I'm smart!"

You are that guy who beats his dick every night and then feels compelled to go around telling everybody he gets laid all the time. Everybody here sees it but you because you can't even see what is looking back in the mirror.
lol
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Originally Posted by SeaUlater
LOL Pokah, you are truly one of the most oblivious person I have ever been in contact with.

But I do enjoy you presence nevertheless. You're like the class pet guinea pig, and we all play a part in nurturing you and taking care of you.
03-20-2012 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jack492505
There may just be an explanation other than variance for your misfortune.
Nah... Just that one. Honestly though I probably saved a grip of money there. Fwiw 98% of the flops since then have been raised pre.

Bout to call it a trip -200. Eat some food, get some sleep and GG Vegas .... Your pimple on Americas a**
03-20-2012 , 09:30 PM
I was just messing around.

But you only lost 1 buy-in at poker? Or -200 includes the roulette score? Because running bad and losing only 1 buy-in seems like a win to me. I wish I had lost only 1 buy-in last time I was in vegas.
03-20-2012 , 09:33 PM
Been playing 1/2, 2/5, tournaments blackjack, food, stuff for my daughter, etc etc and im down $200 if i cashed out right now which is what Im about to do.
03-20-2012 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
Been playing 1/2, 2/5, tournaments blackjack, food, stuff for my daughter, etc etc and im down $200 if i cashed out right now which is what Im about to do.
Nice.
03-20-2012 , 09:46 PM
Eh, come grind with me tonight. You'll get my run good again and book a win for the trip. I'll be there in an hour.
03-20-2012 , 09:47 PM
@ AcePlayerDeluxe - First guys position at the table is important info. CO or BB makes a gigantic difference.


Preflop limp is debatable. It can be okay but we can only know that if we were at that table. Generally I don't like it, but if your table is super aggro and bad and opening utg is gonna get you 5 callers almost always and your limp is getting raised almost always and they're bad enough to not insta know you got a monster and muck than I don't mind it. Other than that though just raise big if you don't wanna play AA 6 way. Opening limpin' just puts you in too many gay spots & also turns your hand face up.


Turn check and river sizing is atrocious though. You should bet near pot on flop & turn. Most of your EV in this hand is going to be from Flush draws/pairs+gutters/TP hands calling you down. Most of those are going to check back the turn unless he is well known for attacking weakness which doesn't seem to be the case. Not to mention check/raising the turn looks ****** strong.


Then river you either bet or check call depending on his aggression. I'd lean towards check calling if he's somewhat aggressive as I'd put his range mostly on FD's that missed or pairs + gutters. If he's somewhat passive I'd probably make it pretty big as at this point only thing calling us is probably two pairs & sets which will call whether it's 1/2 pot or 4/5 pot.

If the guy flopped the nut straight and slowplayed it to the river on a draw heavy board good for him, but most live fish would never do that. They're terrified of getting sucked out and having to go home.

Recap

Limp is debatable, don't get in the habit of doing it though.

Bet flop big, get value.
Bet turn big, his range is comprised of FD's/Pair+ gutter/occasional top pair/two pair. He might have a set, but set over sets are extremely rare and thats going to be a tiny part of his range.
River, decide based on his style & the way he played it whether you think he's more likely to have a good made hand or a missed draw/pair + draw whats more +EV between betting and check calling. If you bet, bet big.

Last edited by StimAbuser; 03-20-2012 at 09:57 PM.
03-20-2012 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Eh, come grind with me tonight. You'll get my run good again and book a win for the trip. I'll be there in an hour.
Long walk bro. Im playing bad anyways. Just going to put a bandaid on it. Ive in no way been able to repeat what I did that first night... Of course that first night was a ridiculously nitty table.
03-20-2012 , 09:54 PM
I didn't even notice that. can't check turn imo.
03-20-2012 , 09:57 PM
I had a super frustrating session last night--hut a bunch of terrific hands that were either coolered or sucked out on. First time I ever flopped 3 sets in a session, I think, and lost money with them.

Had 1 spot where I opened 44 to $8 UTG, 3 callers. Flop is Kd9d5c, I c-bet $20 sort of automatically, all fold, and I'm thinking, man, I live king high flops. So much better than ace high flops for c-betting air. Only flop I'll c-bet air into against 3 callers with any frequency at all.
03-20-2012 , 09:59 PM
As played I think river fold is atrocious.

The only hand that beats you is KQ, and most likely KQ of clubs at that. You played it massively weak and he could easily be raising you with worse for value ( binked 2 pair on the river. ) or as a bluff. Snappiest snap call ever.

You limped, bet flop, checked turn on a super draw heavy board, then bet like 1/3 pot on the river. Your hand looks ******edly weak. You're definitely getting raised there by worse for value and bluffed by players who almost never ever bluff. Most people don't even play TPGK that weak in on that draw heavy of a board, so almost every player in the world is going to assume you have nothing on that river. Maybe, MAYBE a weak ace and you aren't going to call a raise. I mean you look so weak and scared with the way you played it, that might be the most ideal spot in the history of poker to bluff raise lol.

Honestly not trying to tear you down or anything my man, just trying to give my opinion and possibly advice.

Last edited by StimAbuser; 03-20-2012 at 10:05 PM.
03-20-2012 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
As played I think river fold is atrocious.

The only hand that beats you is KQ, and most likely KQ of clubs at that. You played it massively weak and he could easily be raising you with worse for value ( binked 2 pair on the river. ) or as a bluff. Snappiest snap call ever.

You limped, bet flop, checked turn on a super draw heavy board, then bet like 1/3 pot on the river. Your hand looks ******edly weak.
No one is raising river that thin in live...

Keep in mind, everyone in live is playing his/her own hand 95% of the time.
03-20-2012 , 10:07 PM
KQ is the only hand that beats me??? No flush beats me. Bet was way too confident OTR. Begging for a call. It was a had to be here thing. Not all hands are easy as XYZ. Could of been a weak fold, but I think hindsight is a mofo and a ton easier to after the fact.
03-20-2012 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
KQ is the only hand that beats me??? No flush beats me. Bet was way too confident OTR. Begging for a call. It was a had to be here thing. Not all hands are easy as XYZ. Could of been a weak fold, but I think hindsight is a mofo and a ton easier to after the fact.
Hmm my bad I could of sworn there was two clubs & two spades in your post & not 3 spades 1 club.

Disregard info about river call.
03-20-2012 , 10:10 PM
YEAH BOY!! Just found out I have $104 in comps at Venetian. Comped at the noodle bar and then a massage on the house. Shes a relaxation therapist.
03-20-2012 , 10:17 PM
Glad to hear your trip had a happy ending!
03-20-2012 , 10:22 PM
Cashing this mofo out. 40 minute massage IMO.
03-20-2012 , 10:25 PM
As5s3c. I bet. Guy calls. Js

The common theme in Vegas is to check turn to appear weak and then bet river.

Had a crap ton of all ins after that for moster pots. Was sick. Lol. Oh well- Roulette is a life saver. May go get it one more time....
03-20-2012 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
I had a super frustrating session last night--hut a bunch of terrific hands that were either coolered or sucked out on. First time I ever flopped 3 sets in a session, I think, and lost money with them.

Had 1 spot where I opened 44 to $8 UTG, 3 callers. Flop is Kd9d5c, I c-bet $20 sort of automatically, all fold, and I'm thinking, man, I live king high flops. So much better than ace high flops for c-betting air. Only flop I'll c-bet air into against 3 callers with any frequency at all.
Thats crazy i love king high flops too. Since we have the bbjp people love aces. So I dont always cbet Ace high flops. But king queen and jack high flops are auto. Unless its super connected.

      
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