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02-19-2012 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SeaUlater
Unless quad is capable of leading with less than 9x in that spot, there is no value in raising with 9x.

Therefore quad made the right check to try to extract more. Assuming the other villain didn't have at least 9x, he isn't going to call a lead and probably won't bet behind anyway.
"AG" is like durr bro, he never checked, and if he missed otr he raises. He was the best lag I have seen in long time.

Say quads leads 150$, "AG" is capable of shoving. Even if "AG" didn't have anything, he would r/f as a bluff. But he actually had a hand. Sb could easily rep a 9.

Guy remind me of pius heinz. He was speaking some foreign language too.

His moves otr, bet big if miss, raise big when he knows your hand is weak.

Mix that in with actually catching hands(backdoor). He killed the table.
02-19-2012 , 07:37 PM
Sounds to me you care more about looking good than winning money.

If you think it's profitable to bluff raise on such board to fold out 9x or better, then you're probably a break even player at best.

Sure it looks good when you win, but that's all you get out of it.
02-19-2012 , 07:46 PM
Huh, what are you talking about? "AG" has a full house otr. He called a 400 c/r. He is raising if you lead into him 100%. Call/check is not in his playbook. But his hand was too big to fold. I'm losing to quads right there too.

I just think a b/r line would have gotten his whole stack, instead of c/r leaving him with 450$ behind.
02-19-2012 , 08:21 PM
I like leading out on the river for about 1/2 pot, which looks like roughly $150.

So AG can then raise it up to probably $350-$500, and quads can shove. But then will AG call the shove? If no, then I guess it doesn't matter. If yes, then bet/jam is better i think.
02-19-2012 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ashley12
The guy was a spoon though...

Even if it was 88 instead of AA i still run goot
AK is a lot like AA, really just a pip worse kicker
02-19-2012 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BrokeDonk
I like leading out on the river for about 1/2 pot, which looks like roughly $150.

So AG can then raise it up to probably $350-$500, and quads can shove. But then will AG call the shove? If no, then I guess it doesn't matter. If yes, then bet/jam is better i think.
He called a c/r so you know he is committed if you lead and he raise's.
02-19-2012 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
Played with a guy who couldn't lose a hand. Talking about run good, sat down with 300 was up to 3k in 2 hours.

He was a establish player, he said he has run like that a few times.

Check out this epic hand.

Limp pot,

Flop, Q77, aremenian hyper aggressive lag dude played like durr postflop, bets 30,4 callers,

Turn 7

"AG" bets 75, (super player in sb calls) someone else calls.

River 9

"SP" checks, "AG" bets 150$, "SP" c/r to 400, "AG" tanks forever, "say I know you have quads", "SP" stone cold face, "AG" turns over Q 4 but didn't fold yet, he then calls, "SP" turns over 7 4

I told him your dirty flat, c/r river with quads. A dumb reg says he is an aggressive player you have to check quads their. I disagree if sb leads he can rep a 9 fullhouse, then the aggressive player would have to raise. The pot would have been bigger. "AG" was left with 450$.

What do you guys think, "SP" lost value or played the hand perfect?
For f ucks sakes don't comment on the ****ing hands. Jesus ****ing christ dude.

Say, "nice hand"
02-19-2012 , 09:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 11t
For f ucks sakes don't comment on the ****ing hands. Jesus ****ing christ dude.

Say, "nice hand"
Dude why not comment on hands. Obviously "sp" and "AG" are good players. "SP" was the guy giving away information. He would pull out his phone and run pokercruncher. I was amazed of how blunt the guy was. He didn't care at all.

I didn't say anything but that was dirty. Didn't tell "sp" he played anything wrong. Just said he would c/r his grandmother with quads.

I just ask how can you that? Is there something wrong with that. Then some reg next to me jumped in the conversation, then goes into explaining why he did what he did.

I think you misinterpreted my post.
02-19-2012 , 10:20 PM
Talking about poker at the table makes the recreational fish either uncomfortable or play better and both of those are bad.

It is costing you money and it is a huge leak.
02-19-2012 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
AK is a lot like AA, really just a pip worse kicker
I prefer AK to AA, simply because with AK there are 3 aces left in the deck you can hit.
02-19-2012 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Talking about poker at the table makes the recreational fish either uncomfortable or play better and both of those are bad.

It is costing you money and it is a huge leak.
I hear people say this all the time, but I can't think of any case in which I saw people at a table react to a poker conversation in either of those two ways.

<shrug> Not disagreeing exactly, just wondering whether the conventional wisdom behind your statement isn't somewhat overstating things.

Super Bowl Sunday there was a fairly obnoxious young gun at my table that I had decided I was going to needle. Just because he was irritating. One comment I made to him was when he limp reraised with KK, I asked him whether it was 2006 on his side of the table. This started a conversation about limp reraising (with more needling from me), and that caused the guy sitting next to him to LRR AA and QQ when he picked them up in back to back hands in the next orbit. It was pretty funny.

So, I dunno; when making fun of a bad play causes other players to make that same bad play, I start to wonder about the conventional wisdom.

Don't get me wrong--I'm all for not giving up edges. I just don't see any evidence on a day to day basis that you give up an edge by talking poker at the table.
02-19-2012 , 11:12 PM
Not to be a dick but I feel that I recall you admitting in other threads that you've had problems berating players and needling which is a form of tilt and giving away free information. Whether or not you are aware that it is a problem is like an obese person being aware or unaware that potatoes and white bread are useless calories. It really has no relation to what is and is not actually true.

Coaching your player pool is easily the most -EV thing you can do and talking at the table is the best way for this to occur.

You don't want a table full of tacticians you want a table full of happy people who are playing poker and having fun and aren't going to feel embarrassed when they stack off. The thing men are most afraid of in life is being made fun of, being made to feel weak or stupid etc... and your table talk is promoting this.

All it takes is one player to get one fold in him that he wouldn't otherwise have and you are out a stack. I mean don't get me wrong you will likely never notice it but one player not stacking off with a nut flush on a paired board and you are out a stack.

You don't see the edge you are giving up because you are in situation and delude yourself into thinking it isn't a big deal and unlike overeating you don't see the extra weight you are putting on because it is coming out of your winrate.
02-19-2012 , 11:22 PM
Been reviewing my play this weekend. I was typing in the hands I play from position/limp into pokerstove.

PFR:
Ep, 5%

Mp,6.6%

Lp, 10%

Limp range,

Ep, 7.2%

Mp 8.4%

Lp 22.2%

Am I playing too tight?
02-19-2012 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Not to be a dick but I feel that I recall you admitting in other threads that you've had problems berating players and needling which is a form of tilt and giving away free information. Whether or not you are aware that it is a problem is like an obese person being aware or unaware that potatoes and white bread are useless calories. It really has no relation to what is and is not actually true.

Coaching your player pool is easily the most -EV thing you can do and talking at the table is the best way for this to occur.

You don't want a table full of tacticians you want a table full of happy people who are playing poker and having fun and aren't going to feel embarrassed when they stack off. The thing men are most afraid of in life is being made fun of, being made to feel weak or stupid etc... and your table talk is promoting this.

All it takes is one player to get one fold in him that he wouldn't otherwise have and you are out a stack. I mean don't get me wrong you will likely never notice it but one player not stacking off with a nut flush on a paired board and you are out a stack.

You don't see the edge you are giving up because you are in situation and delude yourself into thinking it isn't a big deal and unlike overeating you don't see the extra weight you are putting on because it is coming out of your winrate.
02-19-2012 , 11:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokahBlows
Been reviewing my play this weekend. I was typing in the hands I play from position/limp into pokerstove.

PFR:
Ep, 5%

Mp,6.6%

Lp, 10%

Limp range,

Ep, 7.2%

Mp 8.4%

Lp 22.2%

Am I playing too tight?
good lord, yes
02-19-2012 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
good lord, yes
Damn
02-19-2012 , 11:57 PM
How do you keep track of your stats?

Fwiw I probably play something like 30/20
02-19-2012 , 11:58 PM
I just stoved an approximation of my raising ranges and I got:

7.8% UTG
8.7% UTG+1
15% MP2
30% CO
02-20-2012 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 11t
How do you keep track of your stats?

Fwiw I probably play something like 30/20
Well I don't play many hands, so everyweekend I just make a review for the weekend.

I been working on a 30/10 style that galfond said he would recommend. Its a real good deepstack strategy.

Last night some guy was running 40/5 approximately.
02-20-2012 , 12:07 AM
Yeah I raise and 3bet quite a bit vs limpers and people who are raising wide.

Basically I 3bet anybody under the age of 30 pretty liberally
02-20-2012 , 12:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mpethybridge
I just stoved an approximation of my raising ranges and I got:

7.8% UTG
8.7% UTG+1
15% MP2
30% CO
Wow that's loose in lp, I'm stoving your ranges now,lol.
02-20-2012 , 12:11 AM
Well I mean your EP range should be really dependent on the table, at an aggressive table your EP range should be completely different than at a really loose friendly table
02-20-2012 , 12:13 AM
Lol my utg range is about 12.7%
02-20-2012 , 12:14 AM
I can't believe your raising that loose from mp/co.
02-20-2012 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Lol my utg range is about 12.7%
That's crazy sir.

      
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