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yesterday there was a rich tilted fish at my 1/2 game. He usually plays 2/5 DC and clearly 1/2 NL money doesnt matter to him (i think he was just playing b/c he was on tilt and just wanted to gamble it up for lower stakes).He would open raise maybe 60% of his hands to $40+ preflop (no straddle on board) and he blind raised to $60 multiple times showing 25o and 48o. Too bad i didnt pick up any hands while he was sitting on the table.

11-12-2011 , 05:36 PM

#5302

quesuerte

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I'd guess the three bet pre is horrendous versus this guy. QTs, deep otb against a spastic is what dreams are made of. Giving him the chance to 4 bet anything is a disaster.

11-12-2011 , 06:31 PM

#5303

8o8

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Quote:

Originally Posted by quesuerte

I'd guess the three bet pre is horrendous versus this guy. QTs, deep otb against a spastic is what dreams are made of. Giving him the chance to 4 bet anything is a disaster.

i blame ANL

no i pretty much agree. i was experimenting a bit, but i think limon is pretty much right when he says we wanna see flops with these players.

11-13-2011 , 02:38 AM

#5304

PokahBlows

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@808 how can you ever call there in a 3bet pot. Thats giving your opponents free shots at your whole stack. When someone shoves on you in a 3bet pot they have nut hands/draw to the nuts. A pair and a queen high flush draw does not play well vs 120bb shoves. Pre is fine the mistake is made with the call.

11-13-2011 , 04:49 AM

#5305

ikestoys

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PokahBlows

Errrr

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

20,790 games 0.005 secs 4,158,000 games/sec

Board: 8d Th 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.128% 52.06% 00.06% 10824 13.50 { JJ+ }
Hand 1: 47.872% 47.81% 00.06% 9939 13.50 { QdTd }

Getting 1.2-1.

11-13-2011 , 05:17 AM

#5306

Pay4Myschool

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PokahBlows

Ilovecalidonks is that you?

11-13-2011 , 02:46 PM

#5307

8o8

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the only situation in which it's not a call is if he ONLY does this with AA, TT, and 88. if you discount TT and 88 a bit from his opening range and add just KK, it becomes a BE call. plus i think he'd be trappy with TT or 88 a lot of the time, so it's a +EV call.

11-13-2011 , 07:33 PM

#5308

basecrdshp

adept

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anybody know why "High Stakes Poker" keeps on running the same handful of episodes over and over and over again??

11-13-2011 , 07:39 PM

#5309

spyu

old hand

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Quote:

Originally Posted by basecrdshp

anybody know why "High Stakes Poker" keeps on running the same handful of episodes over and over and over again??

Just go to youtube and watch the episodes you'd like to see.

11-16-2011 , 01:04 PM

#5310

gobbledygeek

Poet Laureate of LLSNL

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Suffered my worst bad beat on a hand yesterday. Not quite perfect/perfect, but still pretty impressive.

Guy asks the table to shoot his last 35 BBs, no one obliges. I raise UTG, a fish calls, the guy shoves blind anyways, I iso reraise the blind guy, the fish folds.

My AQo sees a Q96r flop vs his A4o, which puts me at 99.7%.

Funniest thing was that when the 4 hit on the turn, for some reason I thought I had AK and had just taken a ho-hum-run-of-the-mill badbeat. Only when the third 4 hit on the river and I reread the board / my holdings did I realize how awesome the beat was.

GlaughingallthewaytothecleanersG

11-16-2011 , 01:54 PM

#5311

ashley12

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nit exactly that bad a beat since it was in pre but still a bit annoying...

11-16-2011 , 02:08 PM

#5312

8o8

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i've lost a full stack with >85% equity when the money went in on many an occasion. i ran like total **** last year though so

11-16-2011 , 02:42 PM

#5313

gobbledygeek

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ashley12

nit exactly that bad a beat since it was in pre but still a bit annoying...

Ya, preflop (where all the money went in) is just a normal dominated situation, so no big deal (I had actually lost another normal situation like this just a few hands before).

But this is the first time I've been a 99.7% favourite to win a hand at a certain point and not won it. Live poker is obviously rigged.

11-16-2011 , 02:45 PM

#5314

poke4fun

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You just suck at the skills of luck.

11-16-2011 , 02:53 PM

#5315

gobbledygeek

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Quote:

Originally Posted by poke4fun

You just suck at the skills of luck.

Funny, just before I lost these two almost back-to-back situations where I had a dominating Ace all-in preflop, this happens: I toss in a $5 chip for my $3 BB and fold it to a raise, where the dealer, thinking I'm the SB, tosses me $4 in change. I correct his mistake and toss him $2 back and get a comment from my neighbour about how honest I am. "Karma's a bitch", I respond.

Gkarmaobviouslytookthedayoffandwasn'tpayingattenti onG

11-16-2011 , 07:33 PM

#5316

dionysus1

journeyman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PokahBlows

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool

Ilovecalidonks is that you?

To add further fuel to the conspiracy theory fire, ran across post #7 in this thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...merce-1124530/

11-16-2011 , 10:08 PM

#5317

Nouveau Pauvre

centurion

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Half-brag:

1-2

I raise AKs 15 in mp (seems to be standard opener at the table), hijack (weak fish) calls everyone, else folds. flop comes K88. I cbet 20, villian tanks and then pushes in 125 or so. I get some kinda live read and insta fold faceup.

He looks shocked and says good laydown and flips over k8off.

11-17-2011 , 02:43 AM

#5318

DeadMoneyWalking

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nouveau Pauvre

It did look like a very odd way to play KQ, but it's 1/2 so a lot looks odd. NH

11-17-2011 , 08:30 AM

#5319

stampler

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heard a new poker term at the table the other day;
delayed string bet.

11-17-2011 , 01:14 PM

#5320

Nouveau Pauvre

centurion

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking

It did look like a very odd way to play KQ, but it's 1/2 so a lot looks odd. NH

TY. I've learned the hard way that K8off is very much in a lot of these players ranges. Even with calling a 7.5 bb raise.

Though I put him on 89 or 78.

11-17-2011 , 01:15 PM

#5321

gobbledygeek

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nouveau Pauvre

Even though things worked out for you, in my opinion you made 3 mistakes in the hand.

1) Too small a cbet. We've got a small SPR with TPTK, I woulda potted the flop so that I can shove a PSB on the turn.

2) We've got TPTK in a small SPR pot. Unless my some kinda live read involves fish flipping over an 8 before he shoves, I'm not folding here.

3) Why did we fold face up? This can only hurt our chances of making money in this game, and can never help.

GcluelessNLnoobG

11-17-2011 , 01:56 PM

#5322

Nouveau Pauvre

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I agree that is an objectively/on paper bad play.

Mostly I posted it because i was proud of my "soul read" Something about how this villain acted just screamed strength. Partially I think it was because I had a very tight TAG/winning image.

I do need to work on my cbet sizing. Though 20 bucks plays big at 1/2 here. Somewhat ironically since pre-flop people will call anything.

11-17-2011 , 04:58 PM

#5323

DeadMoneyWalking

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I don't see the problem with smallish cbet. OP is way ahead or way behind. There's no point in scaring out the lesser hands that might pay nor is there a way of betting off a better hand.

11-17-2011 , 05:16 PM

#5324

gobbledygeek

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking

I don't see the problem with smallish cbet. OP is way ahead or way behind. There's no point in scaring out the lesser hands that might pay nor is there a way of betting off a better hand.

If a fish is paying off $20 to a lesser hand, they're paying off $30. So I make it $30 so I can get all the chips in on the next turn (gives him fewer decision points where he can accidentally make the correct play and fold a worse hand, gets chips in before board can get scary, winning $10 extra on the flop is like an hours worth of work, etc.).