So quick check. Villain is cally. Called AJ three times pre in a different hand (limped, called a steal from the BB, called a shove)

In the BB with J6. Flop is 6 way. 2/5.

Flop comes 987 (Pot: 30)

Laggy SB leads for 20. I raise to 80. Villain cold calls 80.

Turn Q (Pot: 190)

I shove (Villain has like 210 left).

What was the board when he called with the AJ? You can't (shouldn't?) be ahead here, and think you probably have little FE.

Sat with a whale last night and.could.not.catch.him.in.a.hand. Won't see him for a few weeks as he is leaving the country on vacation. On the plus side, he had a nice night, so he will be coming back.
I also correctly folded a small PP in a hand where I would have ended up stacking the whale. *sigh*

Pulled off a major bluff, and talked the villain off of a big hand. Still feel dirty about that one.

He went all in pre because he had 'pot odds' when faced with multiple calls of big raises.

Sounds like we have little FE against a "cally" villain?

I'm too lazy to do the math, but my guess is that it is more EV to check/call and then get chips in when we hit (which cally villain will always call, especially since stacks will probably be such that he'll be getting ~5:1) vs hoping villain has to fold > x% of the time in order for a turn shove to be more EV.

He's cally, but I think he's folding 9x and a fd here. Probably folding a ten that isn't something like 9T

I was really in between this hand. OOP I shove, IP I check I think.

Well, first live session back in a while had me leaving the table with $1024 after 7 hours of play (I was in for $420 IIRC). Probably my best played session so far; ran AJ into AAA on an AQ83ss board against a spewing LAGtard (don't even know if you could call him LAG, he was just pressing buttons) which was unfortunate because it came right after he lost a massive pot making a move on a similar board, sigh. But I came back and it was a steady black-swing for the rest of the day w/out having a big made hand/cooler the whole day . Back to the grind today, leaving in a few hours. Hope to continue this rise out of my downswing.

question: after how many hours does an absurd heater turn into an expected winrate? assume 40 hands per hour.

standard, but I'd jam turn really quick to get more FE from the parts of his range that make a bad lol-live-poker turn fold

Where are you playing live getting so many hands?

what's the point of caring about winrate, so you can brag about it, or put it on your mortgage loan application?

1) lol 40 hands/hour
2) 2k hours for something accurate. (about 60k hands, max)

About the time people attend your funeral. I appreciate leatherass's assessment that at the beginning of his poker career if he didn't run like a god, he would have never made it to the nose-bleeds.

Admittedly, my belief is that any player that can statistically calculate their winrate isn't progressing enough to sustain. That includes on-line multi-tabling.

He's multi-tabling 2 tables live.

I actually do get 40 hands an hour. The dealers at my local cardclub are required to clock players aggressively. After about a minute, the dealer puts out a mini hourglass, when that empties the clock is called. That plus no bad dealers (a few would be the best at the WSOP) equals 40 hands an hour.

A slow dealer down (30 mins) is 15 hands, fast around 22. Maybe its 38ish hands an hour if you wanna be nitty about it hehe.

2k hours seems about right.

A minute of thinking is, like, forever. I know people write up hand histories where they say "villain tanks for 5 minutes", but if it was actually timed, my guess is that it is rarely longer than a minute. I just tanked while writing this for a minute (try it yourself); it's an eternity, I doubt it happens too often to be an issue?

And isn't it less about dealers and more about players?

And if all the players and hands are moving super fast, aren't we probably sitting at the wrong table? I mean, lottsa these hands have to be limp/raise/take-it-down or limp/raise/cbet/take-it-down; doesn't sound like a good table.

38-40 hands / hour live seems insanely high, and if it really is this high, isn't a table change in order?

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I played at a home game that ran between 30-35/hour on *most* nights. Sweet game. The dealer kept the game running smoothly and was quick with change and getting bets in the middle. They kept a $1 per hand high hand bonus so tracking the hands was easy.
That dealer left and the new dealers slowed it to 22 hands/hour, and I quit playing there.

I think you're right about this. I think the longest I've ever actually tanked is probably 2 minutes, though it seems a lot longer than that.

lol you want tanking, play in a wsopc tourney. It was absurd.

The home games I play in are the very casual sort where players take turns dealing (and way too casual to have to worry about any mechanics). We probably play 20 hands an hour if that, but it's so very juicy anyway.

Such games drive away casual players, ones that want to sit there and have fun without getting hurried, and ones that want to pretend they're playing for a much bigger stake than it is.

So you might get your 40 hands per hour, but this room has to be one of the most -EV room to play.

+1

live would evolve to online. live 1/2 would become 10nl online instead of .01/.02. Not good

How do you guys deal with drunk players. Say it's late in the night and there's a guy that's obviously drunk, like slurring his words, can't follow the action, continuously acts out of turn, and clearly has a drinking and/or gambling problem. Do you ever speak up? Tell him to quit for the night? What if the table is a bunch of decent enough players and this one guy.

I played with a guy that was in such bad shape he was basically begging the floor to let him buy in for slightly less than the minimum when he busted. It was late in the night and two tables had just combined into one and we were playing 6 handed with maybe an hour or so left in the night before the room closed. Usually, I like to stay until close because good players become tired players and stuck players become desperate players but on this particular night this drunk guy was slowing the game down so much I felt a little dirty sticking around just to win this guy's $49.

After about 30 minutes I just picked up my chips and left early for the night.

Do you guys ever see people get to a point that you feel the need to speak up?

If he's got a lot of money I wouldn't say anything because if you do, chances are the rest of the table hates you for it since hes probably the biggest fish. So yeah, probably not the highest +ev thing to do, lol. If he has $49 its probably fine since he has like no $ and I would only imagine its not worth the frustration of the game being slow because of him in relation to his stack size.

The only time I've called the floor in is for a guy who was clearly FAS (Fetal alcohol syndrome) and was mentally deficient.

IME (almost 5 years as a pro, jeezus i'm old), I've found that if you start dealing with everyone else's problems you're going to end up in a bad place. People are dumb. Until they want help they aren't going to get it. If you don't take their money, someone else will, might as well be you.

That cognitive dissonance is a big reason why I don't want to play poker for a living anymore.