Yea, please explain how you ever win money on the turn when villain checks and you check behind closing the action?

Well if he thinks villain is always ch/folding the turn but will ch/call the river so he under reps his hand

mehhhhhhh I don't need that much attention

please explain how knowing advance that v would check behind isnt results oriented?

This. And we get to name the bet size vs. anyone that has a Q, which is also profit maximizing.

Also what would you do here with a Q? Check?

and i didnt check behind. i checked and he checked behind. if youre going to be a pedantic nerd at least know the hh

hahah...I'm an ass. I misread the hand. I still bet turn. I think his call range>bet range, and I don't think you get called enough more often on river to justify the loss of the much bigger value when you bet turn and river.

I really, really, don't like donkaments. Sold 60% of myself, played 3 tourneys this week. Got 25th in a 600nl where I played 2 days (20hours), 25th/450. Made 200$

After I busted tourney I went downstairs and played cash and made 1100 in 2 hours.

How can people enjoy playing these?

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sorry, not sure what a pedantic nerd is. I just know from reading most your HH that you require a lot of advice.

i can still play for stacks by checking the turn. if he bets i can raise. if he checks behind (has a 2pr hand) then i can bet river. i can still play a big pot ott if he makes a bet and im confident i can read into the sizing whether it is a Q or not.

Donkaments that aren't pretty meaningful stakes are a waste of time and profitability for someone who beats 2/5 at a decent win rate.

Yeah an if you sell, you probably want to only play if you can dell at markup. I sold at 1.2 for 1ks, and even then felt like it was a waste of my time. Only a few would buy at 1.3 so I'm not that interested personally.

please post all of these awful hh youre talking about

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nitty nerd.

The reason for donkaments is to bring people into the poker room so they can bust out in tilting fashion and then end up on the cash tables.

What would you consider decent stakes? 1k+? First place in this 600 tourny was 50k and even still I think it felt like I'm such a dog to run hot enough to win that im better off playing cash then trying to win a tourny.

I sold action at no MU because even though I have a good winrate in cash games there's really no way to prove that and I have no tournament results to link.

*end up at the pit games

Agree. That's why I always try to play a ton when there's a tourny in town.

Also people that win these assume there awesome players now and play bigger than their used to. That's always great too.

Haven't done the exact math to be honest. Someone else can probably guide you better. I would bet playing $250 tourneys is a waste of time for you. $1,000 probably isn't. Structure also matters I'm sure. Plus a lot of the bigger tourneys are on days when donkeys are in town for cash games.

Selling at no mark up isn't worth it unless you're trying to build a rep with that player. You're lowering your hourly. You're better off just playing cash and using that to establish your rep.

Tourneys also bother me from a risk of ruin perspective...the only tourneys that are big enough for you to play cost at least 100 BB I bet, and you probably fail to make the money at least 75% of the time.

Ya no worries, you should keep selling tourney action at no markup as long as you keep calling a $600 tournament, "600nl".

I just realized this, but apparently my local dog track does have one pit game (3 card poker). Nobody ever plays it though. The dog racing season is over now though, so overall fewer players right now. Maybe in the Summer I'll see some people at that table.

I'm just some cash game donk what can I say

Meh. I just want to sell some action because I really want to play the main this year and I think that will be a little easier if I actually have tournament runs under my belt. Even though there is probably 0% chance I'm not +ev in the ME.

Oh well. I'll see.

I would never play a 1k tournament on my own dime. A 1k loss wouldnt bust my bankroll but I wouldn't want to invest it when I'm a favorite to lose so often, even though it is +ev.

I would never play a 200 for that reason.

I thought it would be worth it this week with big fields and 600$ buyins but I'm starting to question that now

If you're selling 60% of yourself in a $600 tourney, you're only playing a $240 effective tourney.

Thats true but I sold action in 2 other tournaments as well.

Even though it effectively makes the buy-in small I think it's better to sell because of how often I'm losing.

If I'm reading the message below correctly....

SHIP IT!!! lol... Won't do it to ya bruh. But it would be funny.