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12-30-2012 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Sbr take a week off. Thank me later
yep.
12-30-2012 , 02:32 PM
i am at -$2,511 over the past 51.5 hours.
12-30-2012 , 02:48 PM
Tks, just checked out apps on Play store. Poker manager has best reviews and doesn't ask for location permissions (which session logger does), so I think I'll go with that one.
12-30-2012 , 02:52 PM
**** sucks sabr but you need to ride out the variance. You been crushing that game for too long.
12-30-2012 , 02:53 PM
No time for a break. Each time I go through a stretch like this it builds mental toughness.

Emotionally I feel like I've already bottomed out last night, which gives me a surprisingly refreshing and optimistic outlook right now. Even I have to admit that the last 2 days I've maybe made a couple of plays that were due to tilt, contributing about 1 buy-in to my downswing.

No more tilting, complaining, or getting ****-faced. We grind through it like a man.
12-30-2012 , 02:54 PM
Poker income is great for me
12-30-2012 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Asians kill way more people than cars do.
rofl.

is true.
12-30-2012 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by canoodles
sooo ******ed hahah doubt this ever happened at a casino, maybe home game
Palms in Vegas. I played when they were doing it. Rather advantageous.
12-30-2012 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
No time for a break. Each time I go through a stretch like this it builds mental toughness.

Emotionally I feel like I've already bottomed out last night, which gives me a surprisingly refreshing and optimistic outlook right now. Even I have to admit that the last 2 days I've maybe made a couple of plays that were due to tilt, contributing about 1 buy-in to my downswing.

No more tilting, complaining, or getting ****-faced. We grind through it like a man.
I just went through like a 10k downswing at 5/5 and 5/10 (mostly 5/5), took its toll for sure. Taking a break helped a bit, then I just ran ****tier. Grinding through it like a man sounds reasonable, if you're able to control tilt and keep confidence up. I think taking a break can be good just to analyze hands. I know my downswing caused me to make my fair share of awful plays.
12-30-2012 , 03:11 PM
I too feel much better about my game after taking a few days off on this vacation. I'm really looking forward to my next session. Sabr is right though, down swings build mental toughness.
12-30-2012 , 03:16 PM
There are many ways to tilt. Making spewy plays is obvious, but getting gun-shy and not making a bluff you should be making is also a form of tilt.

My style of poker is very aggressive. If my thin bets, semi-bluffs, and calldowns are running into the nuts all the damn time, things can get ugly really quickly. I also "slowplay" more often than most, which sometimes burns me too when they keep rivering miracles. With my style, the line between perfect play and spew is sometimes very fine.
12-30-2012 , 03:24 PM
hi

im new to live poker
what kind of variance can I expect playing live 1/2? are 1000bb downswings usual? 2000bb? At what point would you start to worry that you're doing something wrong?
12-30-2012 , 03:35 PM
every time I downswing I think I suck. Everytime I upswing I think I'm the best.
12-30-2012 , 03:38 PM
Even on a downswing my HH's say I'm playing optimal. So I still think I'm the best even when I lose lol.
12-30-2012 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Krax
hi

im new to live poker
what kind of variance can I expect playing live 1/2? are 1000bb downswings usual? 2000bb? At what point would you start to worry that you're doing something wrong?
It depends on how big the game plays. A 200bb game where you can buy in for half the biggest stack plays a lot bigger than a 100bb max buy in game. The swings will also be bigger if most people are buying in full rather than short or if people are quite aggressive.

It is better to analyse your decisions, your demeanour and your focus rather than trying to have a scientific reason for why you are losing.
12-30-2012 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
So ready to play more 2/5. It doesn't run here, so even though I'm rolled I rarely get to play, and when I do it takes me a few sessions to get comfortable with it, by which time I'm heading home and won't get to play again.

Tell me about Pokerjournal. I finally has a smartphone (android) and am thinking about a poker app.
Next time we play (Im playing tomorrow at the garage) I'll show you PJ.



Side note... Miscalculated (hit the button wrong in PJ last night) and I was only down $50 for the night after getting crushed and coolered left and right. In for $420 and that was the first hour (100NL game). That extra $100 feels good.
12-30-2012 , 04:14 PM
Won't be at garage tomorrow. Going to a NYE party. Rat-pack themed. I got my short-jacket tux ready to go. Wife got a cocktail dress that is smoking hot. Maybe taking her home early...
12-30-2012 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ashley12
Nice read, and I get the point

Other nit tactics probably help reduce variance, but overall I get the idea, and I guess the easiest way to put it is that the two types suffer different types of variance

Im kinda struggling to articulate my thoughts but I am sure you at least get somewhat where I am coming from.

I thought of another way to put it last night. Lag variance tends to be, on average, more of a high frequency, low amplitude variance. Lots of little swings in session, and even among sessions. Nit variance tends to be low frequency, high amplitude. Fewer absolute swings, but they are usually big ones.



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Originally Posted by SABR42
1) $6K downswing is about right.
2) Don't want to give out exact numbers, but I'm not up that much for the year.
3) Yes, my WR is the lowest it's been since about 100 hours into my live career. It's gone from $66/hr to $58/hr in about 2 weeks. After 1500+ hours that's pretty noticeable. I've had 1 winning session in my last 10. I can't count how many times I've been rivered in medium to big pots. How many times I start out with a big hand and have the board run out as badly as possible. Or have my draws all whiff, my bluffs run into weird hands that got there, and have everyone else hit their draws on me.

I have no idea how I was able to drive home last night. I'm still a little drunk right now. I should not have been driving at all last night, but I was too pissed off to call a cab to travel 3 miles. I do remember the entire drive, but physically I shouldn't have been doing it.
Re number 2, it was a rhetorical question, I wasn't actually asking you to confirm your income. Sorry it came across
that way. (that said, if you don't want to confirm your income, which is perfectly understandable, it's probably best not to post both your WR and hours played )

In retrospect, I realized my post might sound unsympathetic, which was not my intention. My intention was basically this:

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Originally Posted by SeaUlater
SABR, you're one of the top players, just remember that.

This will blow by.
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Originally Posted by SABR42
Holy crap I got plastered last night. Had 8 shots of Ketel (some were way more than a shot, so maybe 11-12 actually), the last 4-5 in quick succession.

Didn't throw up (was probably another 2-3 away from that) and I remember everything, albeit vaguely.

I should stop drinking so much.
Heh, we know you can beat these guys with one hand tied behind your back. But, why tie one hand behind your back?


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Originally Posted by SABR42
No time for a break. Each time I go through a stretch like this it builds mental toughness.

Emotionally I feel like I've already bottomed out last night, which gives me a surprisingly refreshing and optimistic outlook right now. Even I have to admit that the last 2 days I've maybe made a couple of plays that were due to tilt, contributing about 1 buy-in to my downswing.

No more tilting, complaining, or getting ****-faced. We grind through it like a man.
Oo-rah.
12-30-2012 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
I also "slowplay" more often than most, which sometimes burns me too when they keep rivering miracles. With my style, the line between perfect play and spew is sometimes very fine.
Speaking of slowplaying, I meant to tell you this the other day: I used the slowplay we talked about on skype--drawing to a brick--the other day in a sesh at the Wynn. Worked like a charm with the added bonus that the aggro button who paid me off went on supreme monkey tilt afterward. I was stuck almost a buy in when I played the hand, and between that hand and the button's tilting after it, I booked a small win.

Definitely buying you a drink if I ever make it to TS, or if you ever make it here.

Last edited by mpethybridge; 12-30-2012 at 05:10 PM.
12-30-2012 , 05:08 PM
I lost 5k in a day 2 weeks ago.

Got 2 tickets for driving through GW bridge when I couldn't get over out of ez-pass lane.

Backed my car into a wooden sign and that's going to cost ~1k to fix.

Complaining and drinking does nothing
12-30-2012 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Won't be at garage tomorrow. Going to a NYE party. Rat-pack themed. I got my short-jacket tux ready to go. Wife got a cocktail dress that is smoking hot. Maybe taking her home early...
Because 10 pm is past your bed time?
12-30-2012 , 05:21 PM
Sure. Why not.
12-30-2012 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
1) $6K downswing is about right.
2) Don't want to give out exact numbers, but I'm not up that much for the year.
3) Yes, my WR is the lowest it's been since about 100 hours into my live career. It's gone from $66/hr to $58/hr in about 2 weeks. After 1500+ hours that's pretty noticeable. I've had 1 winning session in my last 10. I can't count how many times I've been rivered in medium to big pots. How many times I start out with a big hand and have the board run out as badly as possible. Or have my draws all whiff, my bluffs run into weird hands that got there, and have everyone else hit their draws on me.

I have no idea how I was able to drive home last night. I'm still a little drunk right now. I should not have been driving at all last night, but I was too pissed off to call a cab to travel 3 miles. I do remember the entire drive, but physically I shouldn't have been doing it.
ugh that's some bad soul-tilt

Get better.

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Originally Posted by SABR42
No time for a break. Each time I go through a stretch like this it builds mental toughness.
It builds mental toughness in the same way that getting stabbed in the chest builds physical toughness. Right now you're still bleeding.
12-30-2012 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Tks, just checked out apps on Play store. Poker manager has best reviews and doesn't ask for location permissions (which session logger does), so I think I'll go with that one.
Session logger uses location to procure a list of nearby rooms

then you can click the room and it keeps track of results by room & stake

I guess that's not very useful though.

I just use a spreadsheet at home, I used session logger for a bit and realized it was kind of pointless (and also a bit of work punching everything in)
12-30-2012 , 06:16 PM
Yeah, I keep my loc info turned off. I'm not carrying a tracker around.

      
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