I never went bust, I needed a couple extra days to get money out of investment accounts to cover what I lost ONE WEEKEND. UNLIKE THE BUSTOUT CASES THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT I ACTUALLY YOU KNOW HAVE REAL INCOME AND ACTUAL INVESTMENTS OUTSIDE OF GAMBLING. I have a real job in the real world making real money. OMG I paid people in full the following Tuesday a whole 2-3 days later than the average person in this thread. I have been a member in good standing in this and the HSNL thread since 2010. I have bet probably a million dollars + in that time period in both threads and me paying people 2-3 days late ONE TIME means i'm bust. Good one.

Look I don't have a problem with you personally. I just think its pretty obvious to the casual observer what you get out of all this.

I am the guy who "doesn't pay others until I'm paid"???? I am one of the first almost every week getting all my numbers settled and paid whether down or up. This last week I was slow because I was in vegas until yesterday. But ok man, I am a real scum.

When I say you are a leech I mean you profit from the thread. You take money out of the economy of the thread by making money off posters in offsite sportsbooks and your homegame. Thats it. Thats all I meant.

prob referring to this. ie cabrera is waiting to receive from me. im waiting to receive from gh. gh is waiting to receive from xxxxxx.

Well ya. I mean is this not standard operating procedure in weeks you didn't lose? I don't know how many PMs I have in my inbox saying "I am waiting on xxx to send" or "I am going to have xxx send to you".

Just didnt like the word leech , I do give a bunch of people random action and I can tell you that maybe 2 to 3 people play in my game and they actually win because its with lol wallstreet guys who dont give a **** about money . So if anything it provides more liquidity
do I make somethimg off of it yes
do I give back action to the thread yes.
either way its all good , just didnt appreciate the vocabulary and no you are not a scum

And to CCX
for me sorta "sticking up" for gause is

if you choose to ruin this persons name forever now he cant get a job in the future and get paid not to mention the fact that you continueing to **** on him after the fact that he showed effort this week by making a payment
Arent you worried he goes on serial killer spree and ends you??? Or somehow finds a sick attorney that will take all your slot winnings??
You understand that this thread isnt fully koshur right? Like theres things called wire fraud? and as far as I know stealing a gambling debt is not a crime . Maybe wichita you can chime in on that?
Lets say dani goes to the feds and hires a sick attorney after saying he has had it enough with you
then what?

I mean you can compare this situation to real life . Kid does construction owes me 10k , I go to his house and break his knee . He now cant work so ill never get the money , what if he goes to the feds? Now ill go to jail and catch a felony for extortion

the kid paid 500 as a sign of faith that he is trying and you continue to **** on him


I did not want to have to post anything like this but I'm in this business and you just have to give people time sometimes . When that doesnt work then you can weigh other options but I do see effort and that is why I "stood up" for him

on another note
it is very annoying that he hasnt posted in here and putting me in the middle of all this ****

One last thing and I am done for the night. I don't have a problem really with any of you guys. I just want what is best for the thread. I think that ultimately is what we all want. I have gotten to know some of you guys fairly well over the last couple years and I think this community is something pretty cool/special. What bothers me about the last few months is mostly the lack of transparency with regards to these situations.

To Chronic, I don't think there is anything wrong with making money however you please as long as it doesn't affect the thread. That is really all i meant. I don't think you are a bad guy or have anything against you.

To Gordon, you have an anger issue bro. I don't know if you were in a rage or what but I have never had a problem with you and don't really know where the hostility came from. The situation you brought up sucked but I was honest with you guys and did what I said I would do and being a couple days late waiting for a money xfer is literally the only hiccup in 4 years of gambling in these threads. If that makes me a bad guy in your eyes then so be it.

I'm all for you guys discussing this and ruining Dan's rep to get you money back but maybe get together on skype and talk it out. No reason to do it here.

Obviously I've handled the situation badly. Counting on money others owe you is a recipe for disaster. Stalling while waiting makes it worse. That being said not once have I not acknowledged the total. Nor have I made any statements to anyone indicating anything remotely close to skipping out on the number.

Yet this fiasco has turned into a comedy. I have someone calling me at random times from a blocked number, there's a malicious, slanderous, fictional site that was created, to go along with numerous threats received from Internet tough guy CCx. Statements in this thread aren't close to correct.

For starters, I gave Gordon nearly 500 PROFIT to purchase stubhub gift cards for tix that coincidentally I haven't been paid for a day before settling after the giants/redsins game week 13 to save me the effort of putting out my own money along with being nice since I pretty much owned Gordon in the thread. Then after settlements he owed me 150 which I told him to just roll. The week earlier chronic had sent 150 that he owed me to Internet muscles who I told just take it off our number as I was down to him for that week when he receieved the money. Sure sounds like someone trying to scam.

I didn't win 6k the 2 weeks before I got crushed, not even close. The other 3 weeks I lost chronic was shipped promptly. I don't nor did I ever state I have Super Bowl tix in my possession. I won't have them til the end of the month and when I posted 3 weeks ago I stated realistically I hoped to have the thread paid by the end of January.


Yet there's a website that posts a pic of my old house that a single dad currently resides in. The content has been modified yet still calls me a thief states ill steal from employers lists people who aren't family members. Claim(ed) I skipped out on everyone with no intentions of paying. The only things posted that are factual are that I lost money, I owe money, my twitter account, and a 6 year old pic of me.

Yet some of you actually think chronic and me are the same person? What the hell does he benefit from forking out 2k out of pocket from a vouch?

I posted I'd pay atleast 500/week. Let me make this crystal clear. Those payments will continue until this debt is paid in full. That being said, it's going to be exactly 500 and not a penny more while that site is up and the threats/phone calls continue.

Final Numbers:

I owe:

Bromanes -78 rolling
JAAASH -56 rolling


Still owed:

Gause

If you will have them and this is 100% fact why not make every effort to sell immediately to someone you trust and trusts you (chronic I am guessing would be a candidate as he did vouch for you) and make all this go away. I know maybe you planned to sell for a large profit or maybe even use them, but seems like a small price to pay to eliminate what must be a nightmare for you.

I don't think you should use this type of tone when your the one at fault not the one requesting payment. Even though some accusations may not be what you deem as factual, what do you expect those owed to post on the site?

First off, 500$ profit? The fact I deleted the text messages pisses me off to so much belief now. You are just burying yourself even more bro. I will go back thru all my emails and pray that it says otherwise which I know it will because it ****ing definitely was like 140$ profit that I got from it. So again, stop lying. Not to mention I was so ****ing hesitant to do it because it was so ****ing fishy that you couldn't purchase them on your own and couldn't make it to the bank. Like I was so lucky I got that money back. But 500$ profit? You are ****ing mental. Not to mention, how come it took someone in an online community to purchase it for you and someone close to you couldn't? Or the fact you couldn't wait one day? You said it was for work? How was it for work or how would you have done it had I not? That was 99% almost a scam looking back on what transpired

I don't believe one person has said you and Chronic are the same person. Lie #2

You say you didn't win 6k in the 2-3 weeks before. If that is so, how come when you go through all your #'s posted, that is what you come out above for winning when you subtract what you were owed and who owed you? It's simple math and I wasn't the only one that went back thru the numbers. Thus we have Lie #3

It is beyond awful that it has taken you over a month to address this thread. You even to this day are telling lies and putting it off. I truly hope karma kicks you in the ass one day and you realize that losing 9k to a bunch of different people is wrong and was a complete scam and that you are beyond lucky someone has broken any knees, anything like that. You can fix all this by getting a loan on a car, taking out cc's, things no one has to know about, but no, you went the **** you all route and brought this upon yourself.

For you to think that it is ok to just be like meh, **** it i'll pay em when I pay em shows alot about the character of a person. You sure, have a spot waiting for you in hell.

You have skipped out. The thread is settle the next week. You lost 9k. You had 0$ after winning the previous weeks to pay that 9k. That is skipping out. You freerolled a bunch of people hoping you could break even and come back. I don't know what dictionary you are using, but that is skipping out. You also say you haven't done anything remotely close to skipping out on the number? You over and over had told lies beyond lies about deposits, etc. Need we go back thru the first week you still posted numbers and said, omg waiting for deposit to clear, waiting to clear, don't have the money.. those were lies. Those indicate skipping out. IT HAS TAKEN YOU OVER A MONTH JUST TO ADDRESS THIS THREAD. YOU HAVE IGNORED PEOPLE'S EMAILS, TEXTS ETC.

What is fictional about the site? The fact you are a thief? That's a truth. The fact you are a liar? That's a truth. The fact you are a scammer? That's a truth. The fact you blocked your twitter? That's a truth. The fact of the money you owe and money you have paid back? All truth's? So what's fictional?
It's sickening you are trying to play the victim. Sickening. You brought this upon your self. The fact you are basically saying we would get paid faster if the site was down is sickening. You had 3 weeks to make good and make any payment and you made one. So you missed 2 weeks of payment. Again, another lie. Like seriously, *****. People like you should be locked up

But like they say in Ocean's 11

I'm not a liar or a thief. I only lied about being a thief. Or if you believe a lie long enough, it becomes the truth. You ****

I don't trust him unfortunately so that wont happen
However iam figuring the tickets are worth about 3k
id be willing to buy the rights to them now and fork out an additional 1k and take back my 2k vouch and be done with this
Could be a good gamble I guess else we have to wait after the game is over thanks to JAAASH's advice like what if I go there and its omg fake tickets????

What is it gonna be ccx?? Do you want 1k now or 3k after super bowl?

Do the risk assessment and figure out your slot tournament schedule and tell me what you wanna do

Well, at least the case is open and shut now. And no, I'm not worried about someone killing me. I'm worried about a lot of things in life but that's not one of them.

The content of the site was vetted with a very, very good attorney. If there is proof of anything on the site that is not factual, that content will be removed, however there is nothing wrong with posting true statements on the internet

For the record, I have never called, had others call, etc. our only communication has been via text. Gordon gave me your number, and I have no idea who else he gave it to. There is no slander on the website, there is also no fiction. As stated, if anything on the website is proven not true, it will be removed. I have not threatened you in any way, shape, or form. I have explained to you that the website is not coming down until the debt is repaid, and I have also explained to you that other information may be posted to the site - that is not a threat. If anything, you have been the one issuing threats, both directly to me and indirectly through others.

There's a picture of a house on a website. Until the debt is repaid, you are considered a thief. The site exists to serve as a warning for those who may choose to engage in business interactions with you. As stated, anything on the site that is proven not to me true will come down, you know how to get a hold of me if you want to discuss that. You using an old picture of yourself for your twitter account isn't really relevant.

It's going to be exactly 500/week no matter if the site exists or not, you've made that clear.

To whoever is calling you, please stop - it's stupid and not productive and really doesn't help. And if you're threatening Dan, please stop that too.

Based on Stubhub prices, I'd say the tickets are worth a little more than 3k, that sounds more like the price of one ticket.

If you want to pay additional money on Dan's behalf, you have my account information. I'm not going to play lets make a deal with you though.

Well the Super Bowl is February 2nd - if you don't receive them until the end of the month, that doesn't give you much time to sell them. As someone experienced in ticket sales, I'm sure you're aware of market conditions immediately prior to the game.

Also, how are we sure that you will actually even get the tickets? Is there proof of this anywhere? I think we would hate to rely on more false promises like a bank transfer that never existed.

At the end of the day, for me at least, this is what gets me more mad than anything. There are many ways to get money in a pinch, and none of those have been done in an effort to pay debts. Even if the Super Bowl tickets are real, and actually ESPECIALLY if they are, it should be pretty easy to snag a loan for 6k to pay back the thread.

This too. There was no effort to come clean about the situation, instead lying about a bank transfer and other nonsense.

If we would get paid faster, or if anything related to Dan actually giving a **** about the position he was in was shown, I'd be more than happy to take the site down. If you think I need this headache you're on drugs. But up to this point, and even in my direct interactions with Dan, the mentality been "ill pay you when I'm ready to, not when I can"

For me, most of this is about how Dan has handled the situation and the lack of effort being made to pay back those that are owed.

ill buy superbowl tickets and can send a check out on monday....just saying.

Interesting, luckily this is the internet, back in the day records could be tampered with, but I'm pretty sure these aren't altered.

Also luckily I'm hungover as **** which motivated me to spend 7 of my valuable Sunday morning minutes to look this up.

Your pre busto week numbers

10/16 +800
10/23 +1360
10/30 - 916
11/05 + 1864
11/12 +1073
11/19 +1855
11/26 +2402
12/3 -145

Total +8293

As I said, I'm hungover and only spent 7 minutes so I won't guarantee this is 100% accurate. But at the very least, it's pretty damn close.

Looocy, somebody got sum splainin to do.

PM me if we have bet together and you accept chase quickpay as payment. thanks. especially if i owe you for this current week.

I mean what happened is fairly obvious. Guy was a busto degen living off freerolling the thread. Hopefully I am wrong and Dan pays everyone back shortly but that is what it looks like to me.

Ultimately Chronic this is why people are wondering about your affiliation to this guy and the other scammers. Maybe it is coincidence but they were all affiliated with your out of thread gambling business. Maybe you got unlucky or made a poor assessment of these peoples character but either way most of the reason people are questioning you is that you either were affiliated with, vouched for, and/or directly turned these people onto the thread in all of the last few scams which have totaled nearly $20,000. Yes I realize you have paid a large chunk of this back out of the money you have made of these losers out of thread and me and everyone else in the thread appreciate that.

I can only speak for myself but it feels disrespectful at the very least to introduce less than trustworthy people to the thread. I have had several friends want to get involved with the thread and told them all no. Simply because I couldn't be 100% sure this wouldn't happen. Instead I have put action in for them at times rather than just unleash them on the thread.

And really Chronic this isn't an attack on you, I think you are doing what you can to right the situation at this point. I don't think that you introduced these people to purposefully scam us. I just think this should be a warning to everyone to not vouch or introduce or whatever new people unless you are 100% sure they are trustworthy and not living hand to mouth.

none of my business, but i miss you guys so figured i post this

just because the site comes down, doesn't mean it goes away. it's going to take a very, very long time to disappear from google, so you guys have already destroyed this kid for a while

not saying he didn't/doesn't deserve it any way, just not sure if you guys are aware of this

Not sure you're as familiar as you think here, things can be done to have items demoted or removed in Google search, there are thousands of cases available for proof of this and something I'm familiar with doing.

Thanks for your input tho.