Those big flips, seem to be what always kill me. I have to start running it twice. I don't want big losses or big scores, I just want consistency.

You don't think I'll be able to convince them to do that? bah... I hate to give up a statistical advantage just to decrease variance.

Do card rooms even allow you to run in twice at 1/2NL. I have never seen it and I play at Casino de Montreal. I think these deals are for games where money is actually substantial like 5/10 and up.

I don't think dealers would want to do that at 1/2NL especially when there are people who buy in for like minimum (near $60). Unless there is over 1k in the pot none of the staff give a ****

Personally, I'd say it's acceptable to run it twice if there's over 2BIs in the pot. I know what you mean though, maybe it's just not going to happen. I have asked before, and the dealer didn't say anything, it was the other player that said no, so who knows.

DON'T BLUFF THE CALLING STATIONS

When were we talking about bluffing calling stations?

You're surprised that terrible players make terrible calls.

I don't want to sound belittling but you need to stop thinking like your durrr or DN and just start thinking on the 1/2 level. It is quite clear from your run it twice statement that you believe you are playing a much higher level than you really are. Go back to playing ABC poker. Don't try complicated bluffs and don't try 3 betting. ABC poker at your current monetary state and level, leave complicated moves only for the opportune moments.

I would consider this a huge leak for 2 reasons:

1. The money went in the middle before the tight internet player was ready for act. Pushing all in to a huge raise and someone left to act behind on a draw can lead to trouble, not saying it's the wrong play, but I am saying it should not be done "every time".

2. The main thing that bothers (and correct me if this is crazy thinking) but Gopher is not drawing to the nut flush. If he had been holding the AKs then you can clearly count all outs but with drawing to the nut flush I would think that you would want to discount a little and adjust odds to compensate. Either Fish or Internet could easily have had AJs which would have had Gopher drawing to a queen. I'm not saying I wouldn't push with 2 overs and a FD but definitely not "every time".

I also haven't seen any hand reading as to what Gopher put the "fish" and "internet" guy on. Gopher readily admits he did not think "fish" had A5o so what did you put him on that he would push $65 on the flop after you had raised $50 before the flop?

Running it twice is not an advanced move, it's just meant to decrease variance... you don't have to be Tom Dwan to know that's a good thing.

'Fish' is too wide to range at this point, I'm playing pot equity against him.

Internet, I figure has to have 77+, AJ+ to call my 3bet. Discounting AA/KK/AK as he would have just put me all in, whether the fish is in there or not.
So, essentially there's one set in his range, plenty of small overpairs, AJss has me crushed, but any other big A only has a BD flush and only conterfeits 3 of my outs, so I've got plenty of equity.
I figured he's much more likely to have a PP here, so I weighted it that way, still giving me ~45-50% equity against both players combined.

I have only played in one place that will let you run it in a 1/2 game, and its frowned on for all but the biggest pots (200BB is not big enough to even be considered).

Next you have to consider your peers on the table. If any of them have a clue to what "running it X times" is, its most likely because they seen it on TV. So by asking to run it, you are existentially teaching the other people at the table more about poker, than frankly they need to know.

Not too mention it is highly unlikely you are going to find a regular casino that will let you run it in anything short of 5/10.

What are you losing by asking?

You are...

• Showing you know more about the game. Which can be a positive or a negative, depending what image you are presenting.
  
• It opens up the subject of variance, which for most recreational players is a very advanced topic. Before you know it, you are teaching the whole table about odds and variance.

If you want to ask, go ask the floor before you sit down. Problem solved. If they yes, then you can ask during a hand.

If you watch the TV cash games then you'll notice that Barry Greenstein and Phil Ivey run it ONCE. Thats because they are rolled for the game they play and can handle the variance.


If you have a less than necessary number of BIs for the game you play just switch to a nitty, TAGy lower variance style until you build up a roll. 3betting KQs OOP and c/r a FD on the flop with nowhere near enough behind to have good fold equity is a very high variance play. No need to try to exploit 3% equity edges... when you have a limited roll.

You also don't want FE if you get the rep for running it twice.

nooooo let's please not get "running it twice" into a live 1/2 nl game. a) this slows the game down even more, b) opens up possibility of actual collusion and accusations of collusion ("you raised to get me out, then you chop?")

op, shoving flop with fd+2 overs is not a bad play, but your preflop play essentially forced you into a commitment decision on the flop, which will often be a coinflip with dead money in the pot. i think that's what everyone is commented on. You came in with one buy-in and made a high variance play. But there was no reason to do so, you had a fine hand for flat calling. Then, with the big draw and stacks large relative to the pot, you would have fold equity postflop.

yup. you cant be mad at the fish for being ****ty poker players. thats the point. you make money by capitalizing on the fact that they will call in situations like this with mid pair. but you wont profit much from it if you have a hand that is nearly as bad. you have to get it in good, and if you want consistency, by a healthier margin

I feel for you losing your roll and all, and it did generate some discussion about strat and running it twice, but I'm afraid I have to stand on principal on this one. 2+2 is not your blog and if you're going to complain about losing a coinflip, do it in the right place.

NP Kurt, I wont hold it against you... grats again on the big cash.

Sorry about the roll... but you lose a BI, not a roll...

If these are even close to one and the same, then well, you have more issues then not extracting fold equity vs passive fish...

Doesn't matter at this point, all I can do is tighten up, avoid high variance spots, work on my reads, and grind out a steady profit little by little to rebuild.

I've just been downswinging for a couple months now, and it's just really started getting to me recently. Gonna take a little more time off, and get back to it once I've got some confidence back in my game.

I know I'm not the only one to ever bust out a 20BI roll, but when I make it back, I'll be a stronger player than I've ever been before. Maybe a good thing in the end.

I think this one belongs.

200 max buy-in 1-2 NLHE game charity room with a bunch of regs. (i'm hero)

8 handed, UTG and one MP limp, Hero raises to $12 in CO with KQ. BTN, SB fold, BB (villain) calls, one of the limpers call, other folds (can't remember which) effective stacks of ~225.

Flop is 10 9 4 ($40)check, check, Hero bets $22, villain flats and other player folds.

Turn is A ($88), villain checks Hero bets $60, villain c/r to $120, leaving about $50 behind, Hero shoves for a total of 150ish, snap call by villain with A6.

Hero gets up, walks towards the cage to reload, may have said something nasty to the poker gods.

River is the J, Hero is called back to the table and buries his head in his arms.

Gopher can you post your graph of your live cash game bankroll?

nh zaphkr

Idiotically, I've never kept a ledger, I'm going to start one once I get my iPhone4 in 1-2 wks