im railing a 5/10 table now with two regulars playing hu to try start a game. Nutter has taken the jesus seat and sat out and has been sitting in and out again every 5 mins or so without playing a hand so as not to be kicked from the table.

This is completely standard for him and i can name perhaps 2-3 regulars across 5 networks who do this sort of thing, and you say we behave "just ever so slightly better".

Wow, this is an interesting one. (There is a big chance that our differences in "poker backgrounds" have led to a difference in our opinions here, and there is also a chance you think I'm a bit naive and wet behind the ears with it as well)

My opinion is that the "job description" of a pro gambler is to provide a fun, safe environment for recreational players to gamble in. Provide a fair playing field where everyone gets a chance (albeit most people will always have the worst of it because they are the weaker player) but where they are treated respectfully (regardless of their poker ability they are still people, often clever people) and given a fair game.

The reason I think online poker has suffered a drastic decline in recreational money is because it's not an environment like this online nowadays, it feels too predatory, too clinical, too much like everyone rushing round to skin them before the other regs do. Seeing a handful of people slobbering all over you like a carcus is pretty off-putting for people, understandably.

It's also ofc due to the state of the global economy, but not just that its in bad times now, the good times before were too good, and as a result so many people were able to make money from poker who just shouldn't be making money from poker. If you're not good enough to survive in decent games then either you find yourself a game to play reg where you can survive or you fall off and die - this is the area of the industry where it SHOULD be cut-throat. As a result the lingering liquidity of the golden days still provides a delusion that you can be a professional poker player without actually being able to play decent players and just wait for bad players to come along, and a situation arises where no1 will play good players because they are worried about being grimmed, missing the weaker players when they do come along so what has happened is like you say dan everyone becomes a bumhunter.

This is my honest opinion on the subject. I personally play vs anyone at stakes i'm comfortable with, play vs anyone that sits on a table i'm trying to start (except in the scenario where I have 6+ other tables running and not comfortable to play HU) and sit and play at 1/6 tables with pretty much anyone if i have the table space. I don't do this because I think I'm the best I do it because I think this is how it SHOULD be done.

I just think everyone wants too much of an edge, poker is gambling at the end of the day and no-where near enough "pro's" have enough gamble in them to survive imo.

The trends i've noticed as online poker has declined is a great upswing in private games, because often these provide the types of environments that the internet doesn't, so most wealthy recreational players have flocked there, and that is 100% only the fault of the regs.

Ok, it's become pretty obvious that I'm not as up to speed with NR's behavior as I should have been to start the debate, and perhaps he is a bad example, IDK my bad prolly. That really wasn't the point of me posting initially though believe me + I'm DEFO not having a dig at anybody specifically.

The debate that is starting though is what's important here, not NR imo.

What are your thoughts about it? How do you think it can be improved realistically? And what do you think is mostly responsible for the decline pokers?

yeah I feel this is the worst thing he does and not many do it, I'll often just leave if I'm playing HU and he joins and does this, why should I be creating action oop for him? In fairness it only came to a head when 4 max was introduced, it just feels so much worse when he does this and there's only one free seat.

Dave perhaps you could ask Stu to participate in or just read a thread we'll open for fair comment about the state of the games on ipoker and our problems with him in particular, we could perhaps get it moderated so that no-one flames him or says anything unconstructive. While he may not be bothered by the criticism I'm sure he can't enjoy being a pariah among his fellow players. And Stu, I just looked up in HM, I'm losing at 5 bb/100 over 6000 hands playing headsup this year and that's only from starting tables or continuing when all but one sit out along with the recreational player, it's not so bloody bad and surely it can't hurt too much playing three handed.

also what the **** is this, you three were sitting out for well over a minute with Cyrano!

lots of people do try!! and yes you are correct, but also stating the obvious.

rutter is the worst of all and it's not even close.

he was doing this to me yesterday when i was trying to play and my PTR was down like 5k. what a gimp

@jorgejuan.
Yh i think i defo could persuade him to do that. I think its a great idea, i play nlhe very infrequently online but thsse problems are rife in plo aswel id love to participate in a thread like that (obv lol) set it up if you can. il spk to stu and pm you. i know none of you will care and it isnt relevant but he is genuinely one of the nicest guys around.

I know im stating the obvious but you have to agree evrrytime someone makes a fuss about this topic the situation gets 1% more likely (prolly less) to be resolved.

I know hes sposed to be nice but he is badly behaved at every table everyday and plus he runs so super hot vs me its absurd, so for that reason hes a bastard

Haha yh ive not got a lot of time for a few people on the wrong side of my vs players list as well lol
thanks dan, have we met btw? I am pretty sure i can guess who our mutual friends are il tell stu to try run a little worse, try break the ice a bit :-D

No mate we have been in the same room but never introduced yeh im mates with some of the pkr lot (Scott S, James etc) and some UK players/ppl. Next time lets have a drink, we've tweeted a few times back n forth a few times so you can prolly guess who I am on there.

Yeh tell him to stop running like g0d plz but tbh I might be moving on from ipoker as abit fed up with the games and my run bad is just insane atm.

hi guys. anyone having problems to login at ipoker (i use willian hill skin) right now, at 7am uk time?

did they told any update/maintence would happen this morning? any info ?

i asked a friend and he also can't login. the problem is: you try login, after you login it says ''loading'' but never finish.. don't show tables, don't show my cashier.

edit: sorry if its standard maintence. but after ftp, you know, everytime im paranoid.

yes...problems at all skins i guess...

Yes, maintenance is happening.

is there a way to mute these god awful casino buttons in the lobby? im on celebpoker and they don't have a mute button anywhere. i unchecked sound in the table options but that doesn't do anything, and i'd like to keep the table alerts anyway.

hahah they are sooooo tilting.

theres a very small button close to the ''spin 2mill'' head. on top right of the main lobby, very small button that turn of the song.

im 99,99% sure that 2 playeres were making collusion in a 10/20 game. i have one HH that shows one pretty weird play by both players. anyone have any experience w/ this on ipoker? i mean, their security team is good? i am aware ipoker support isn't that good...

its a PLO hand, good reg on SB flat pre w/ AAK9s after 3players in the pot -> easy 3bet. why he didn't ? then BB 3bet 21bbs against 5players and then fold to the shove for only 100bbs... wtf? he thought anyone would fold pre? lololol if you guys aren't into plo, i never ever saw any squeeze/fold pre like this, because at omaha nobody folds pre and everyone knows this. also an agroo player like BB, if he is 3betting some rundowns or w/e, he always has odds to get in after everyone is all in.

ps: i know its nl forum, but since this is the only ipoker regs thread i know, hope its fine posting it here.

^ hand does seem really really sus..

Haven't had any interaction with security there though

Pretty sure security is awful, u should obv report them though if you really think they are colluding. So you think they squeezer and the guy who 4bet all in are colluding? Doesn't really make sense, if they were colluding why wouldn't he just call. The fold might be weird, but doesn't point to collusion.

This must be the smallest button in the world, I can't see it! I really need these casino games muted before I smash up my computer..

ahh, different skin. Their's no sound button on Celebpoker

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