they used to have Buffon as a sponsored pro..... theyve also got a liscience in Belgium

so wtf does this mean exactly?

IMO, winning players will get less rakeback, loosers more.

Its impossible to make that more complicated.

I didn't actually read all of that because I agree with Irock so excuse my ignorance, but are does this have anything to do with actually winning money or are you saying tight players will get less, loose players get more?

im just guessing here, but imo, they are trying to make it like ongame's essence. The actual winrate is all the matters here, so more money you win at the tables, the less rakeback you get an wise verses.

wtf, that's terrible.

yeah, this is gonna suck big time.

i think one of the things that they are pissed off with some of the really high winners winrates (mostly hu and 6m bumhunters who hardly put in any volume).

this is not the solution though, it will just encourage the bumhunting even more because in the past players would go after a small edge with the knowledge that they have RB to boost their earn. if this goes ahead the game selection policies will become even stricter and less games will run without a real weak spot at the table.

sites should take positive steps instead of this BS "punish the winning players" stuff. they should reward regs for starting tables and change the software to prevent the "whale hunting" that goes on every single day at ipoker. also somehow stop scummy regs from insta sitting out when the fish chooses to sit out.

i'm sure there would be many other suggestions from players. i often wonder why sites like ipoker never seem to actually ask the players opinions on things. do they even know what the state of the games is like now. ipoker is a brutal place to play.

/rant

Im sure about that man.

ongame did something similar and after some time they claimed to notice a bit more fishy games because all regs that cared for 20% of rakeback were missing, they went to play at some other site that offered big rakeback

This is so **** stupid, if they go down this road they will lose customers for sure!

Muppets they are!!

Not true man.

If poker continue to go the path that its on now, there will only be nits playing for rakeback, while this is great for pokersite, its bad for poker players, since they loose interest after some time.

thats why many rooms try to get the fish back into the game and get rid of regs.

what they're trying to do is fairly simple : giving less RB to winning players basically reduces edges..... and games with no edge is obv a wet dream for a poker site - assuming they don't care about long-term.

and they already proved us in a lot of ways they don't give a **** about long-term.

I dunno sir, read this statement from ongame:

http://www.igamingbusiness.com/conte...success-ongame

Ongame stated that its network has seen more active recreational players than in the previous two years while these numbers have grown by eight percent year-on-year.

ipoker is, IMO, trying to do the same.

Yeah thats what Ongame says ofc. All players said it hasn't gotten any softer.

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Apparently, this Ipoker rake system also takes into account how much you play and not just your winrate. Not sure again on how they calculate it.
It's supposed to not hurt winning players as much as essence, but it's Ipoker so who the **** knows really...

man, you'll have a very hard time convincing me that fishy games >>>> raking more for them.
if they cared about rec players, the first step would be like..... making their soft user friendly/graphics more appealing and stuff like that....
also, lots of fishs don't have or don't even know what RB is.... especially with the way you must get it at iPoker

I think players need to give this new rake/reward system ~ 6 months before you can come to an actual conclusion on if this is good or bad. During those 6 months, it's gonna completely suck though.

The games have really dried up on iPoker the last year. It's all regs and bots on 60%+ RB bumhunting the odd fish/gambler that does stroll in.

iPoker skins got way too competitive with each other in attracting high MGR players. Since Playtech is a company run by completely CLUELESS mouth breathers, it blew up in their faces. They now require a massive rake overhaul to make their company profitable again.

They probably see some MSNL/HSNL guys making tons of cash monthly and want to distribute it elsewhere. "Why is this guy that made 20k in profits this month also getting more than I make in 2 months in rakeback? WTF!"

The question is how the iPoker network will spend their new found money. If it means more advertising and promotions to bring rec players in, I'm all for it. Knowing iPoker though, they won't spend the money on improving the games and just think those dumb dumb regs will carry on the grind. Only time will tell!

this!

ipoker definitely gonna ipoker

dunno if he posts here, but great thxs to MrSillyPants to help me starting tables tonight !

I can't see how this change isn't just a huge increase in the cost of playing for winning regs with zero upside.

From what I can gather they will be taking rakeback off you at a rate determined by exactly how much you've won and played, with the idea that the foregone rakeback gets redistributed in favour of losing players to boost liquidity in the system and make the games better.

The only problem is that the majority of losing players, and pretty much all fish, aren't on a rakeback deal anyway so won't be receiving anything back - the money will simply be going into a black hole and essentially, Ipoker's pockets.

I've just skimmed over the details of this new system and typically, its as clear as mud, so I may be being over cynical.

It would be great if someone with more information than me can illustrate any potential benefits of this new system and show me how its not just con to tax the profits of winning players.

Do you get rakeback on this network or not?

I think you are exactly right. New rake calculation system is not benefiting winning players at all. Mostly it's gonna benefit skins, losing players and mr TEDDY SAGI of course assuming high raking players are still playing in new unfavourable conditions.

Basically new rake calculation system is an attempt to enforce no rakeback policy which hasn't been very effective so far because of fierce competition between skins.

Hey guys, I've been really busy taking a break from poker to focus on this:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...pli=1&hl=en_US

Basically, I'm writing a paper on game theory and poker professionals and would really appreciate it if you could give that brief proposal a look and consider giving me an hour of your time for an interview.

PM or email me if you're interested or have any questions.

If this (promoting papers that portray poker in a good light) isn't alright then do take it down, mods.

Anyone noticed any problems with waitlists? Since the latest update to Betfred they have been buggy with showing me on them and what position im in.

same with my skin, you can't even click to see who is on the table. it sometimes loads but very rarely and if it does it takes ages.

I've noticed that too. Sometimes when I go to waitlist it shows on the table that I'm #1 on waitlist then I'm #2 on waitlist and eventually #4 on waitlist. WTF. Is it that waitlist updates slowly or what is it? Strange IMO.