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04-23-2008 , 04:41 PM
actually ive just looked at my db and most the shortys on ipoker seem to be breaking even ish

$5/$10 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($353.00)
UTG+1 ($1035.00)
CO ($110.00)
Hero ($1322.75)
SB ($290.00)
BB ($2424.00)

Pre-flop: ($15, 6 players) Hero is BTN Q A
3 folds, Hero raises to $30, SB raises to $140, 1 fold, Hero goes all-in $1292.75, SB goes all-in $150

Flop: 6 Q K ($1622.75, 2 players)

Turn: 7 ($1622.75, 2 players)

River: 2 ($1622.75, 2 players)

Final Pot: $1619.75
Hero shows: Q A
SB shows: 4 A

Hero wins $1619.75 ( won +$297 )
SB lost -$290.00


$5/$10 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($307.00)
CO ($1131.75)
Hero ($985.00)
SB ($290.00)
BB ($1199.75)

Pre-flop: ($15, 5 players) Hero is BTN A T
2 folds, Hero raises to $30, SB raises to $140, BB raises to $250, Hero goes all-in $955, SB goes all-in $150, BB folds

Flop: 9 J A ($1525, 2 players)

Turn: 7 ($1525, 2 players)

River: 2 ($1525, 2 players)

Final Pot: $1522.00
Hero shows: A T
SB shows: K 9

Hero wins $1522 ( won +$537 )
SB lost -$290.00
BB lost -$250.00
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04-23-2008 , 05:17 PM
that last play is pretty debateable unless u had some sick good reads
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04-23-2008 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by fearless2k
that last play is pretty debateable unless u had some sick good reads
short stacking reg playing 28/27. tightened my button opening range to hands that play well against these stats, there seems to be a team of them and they all play similar, ie they all buy in for 30 bbs and they all raise to 150rather than open shoving, and they all got really wide 3 betting ranges to late openers.

im playing a8 kq+ 22+ in this spot

what u think
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04-23-2008 , 06:57 PM
yea i think thats about right, although i take out 22-55 as they dont fare so good and added in some KJs/JQs(sometimes lol) and added in some A7s+
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04-23-2008 , 07:07 PM
but i mean shoving over BBs 4bet.. A10 has to be one of the worst hands you can have there right?
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04-23-2008 , 07:10 PM
whos teaching these guys, they are all ob playing to a similar format?

ie what is their information source, is there some sort of shortstackers strategy site or somethin
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04-23-2008 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Can anyone explain how it is that NevErOddOrEveN still has any money left?
Agreed.
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04-23-2008 , 08:23 PM
imo they are all the same person/group of friends in same house or smmit, they play WAY too similar to be not multiaccounting..
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04-23-2008 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by fearless2k
imo they are all the same person/group of friends in same house or smmit, they play WAY too similar to be not multiaccounting..
Yup, I bet they all look like Harry Potter too!
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04-23-2008 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by fearless2k
but i mean shoving over BBs 4bet.. A10 has to be one of the worst hands you can have there right?
more like calling a 3 bet all in. they always make it 150 to go so any action after this is irrelevant.

maybe they do this because they think they have some f/e when on the rare occasion someone flat calls these bets. i dunno, but ive never seen this strat from short stackers anywhere else
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04-23-2008 , 09:08 PM
umm im confused

i meant

Hero is BTN A T
2 folds, Hero raises to $30, SB raises to $140, BB raises to $250, Hero goes all-in $955, SB goes all-in $150, BB folds"

I meant BB who showed a lot of strength too, he had u covered and you still shoved, im not debating u are crushing the SSers range but BB can show up with AK here a lot? meh nvm i need a sick read before i can do **** like that lol
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04-23-2008 , 09:13 PM
ya that a10 hand is insanely spewy
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04-23-2008 , 09:33 PM
bb was manofwarrus 70/5
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04-24-2008 , 04:09 AM
Is it correct to shove A8o when one of these 27/25 30bb mofos 3-bets your SB open from the BB?
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04-24-2008 , 05:41 AM
these fckers turn up with all sorts of dribble wen u open the button, but i suppose it needs poker stove, of which im not sure how to use properly but ill give it a go.

i think their range is more raggy aces and kings than suited conns, but i have only a small sample.


{ Ac8s } 48.721% equity versus
{ 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q9s+, J9s+, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }

so i dunno . think its close, maybe ill tighen up a notch
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04-24-2008 , 11:39 AM
man, everyone is on about the full stack bb who 5 bet it. not the shortie who 4 bet from the sb. it's his range thats important when you shove.
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04-25-2008 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by fearless2k
imo they are all the same person/group of friends in same house or smmit, they play WAY too similar to be not multiaccounting..
some examples from my db. they are obviously related and connected in some way. they all play same stats, around 26/25. they all buy in for 300, they all repop to 150. they all play same stakes, they all have identical ranges. and more worrying, they sit at the same tables, which needs to be banned imo. It needs investigating, but i would be very surprised if they are not sharing hole cards when at the same table

jarcadio in small blind

$5/$10 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($1107.00)
Hero ($1071.00)
CO ($1046.00)
BTN ($827.75)
SB ($290.00)
BB ($1069.00)

Pre-flop: ($15, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 5 2
1 fold, Hero folds, CO raises to $40, 1 fold, SB raises to $150, 1 fold, CO raises to $450, SB goes all-in $140

Flop: 6 8 3 ($750, 2 players)

Turn: 6 ($750, 2 players)

River: T ($750, 2 players)

Final Pot: $747.00
CO shows: K A
SB shows: K 9

CO wins $747 ( won +$297 )
SB lost -$290.00

diego950, note also afruted on same table who is another one

$5/$10 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($1044.00)
Hero ($1641.75)
BTN ($357.00)
SB ($290.00)
BB ($792.00)

Pre-flop: ($15, 5 players) Hero is CO Q A
1 fold, Hero raises to $20, 1 fold, SB raises to $150, 1 fold, Hero goes all-in $1621.75, SB goes all-in $140

Flop: 2 A J ($1941.75, 2 players)

Turn: 2 ($1941.75, 2 players)

River: 4 ($1941.75, 2 players)

Final Pot: $1938.75
Hero shows: Q A
SB shows: A K

Hero wins $1351.75 ( lost -$290 )
SB wins $587 ( won +$297 )

noxam

$5/$10 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($1362.00)
Hero ($1081.00)
CO ($300.00)
BTN ($1465.00)
SB ($377.00)
BB ($674.30)

Pre-flop: ($15, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 9 2
1 fold, Hero folds, 1 fold, BTN raises to $35, SB raises to $150, 1 fold, BTN goes all-in $1430, SB goes all-in $227

Flop: 2 J Q ($1852, 2 players)

Turn: 4 ($1852, 2 players)

River: 2 ($1852, 2 players)

Final Pot: $1849.00
BTN shows: K K
SB shows: 6 A

BTN wins $1849 ( won +$384 )
SB lost -$377.00

afruteted

$5/$10 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($1498.50)
UTG+1 ($1816.00)
CO ($476.00)
Hero ($1116.00)
SB ($277.00)
BB ($1000.00)

Pre-flop: ($15, 6 players) Hero is BTN A 4
3 folds, Hero raises to $30, SB raises to $135, BB calls $125, Hero folds

Flop: 8 4 7 ($300, 2 players)
SB goes all-in $142, BB calls $142

Turn: 8 ($584, 2 players)

River: 3 ($584, 2 players)

Final Pot: $581.00
SB shows: K K
BB shows: Q Q

SB wins $581 ( won +$304 )
BB lost -$277.00
Hero lost -$30.00
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04-25-2008 , 07:38 AM
Do they insta leave after they double up? You can't really rathole on ipoker but if there's a group of 6ppl its hard to avoid them.
So if they are sharing accounts they can still rejoin the same table with a 30bb stack on their other accounts which is worrysome.
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04-25-2008 , 09:34 AM
sure they insta leave, then str8 back on the waiting list
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04-25-2008 , 10:17 AM
regulars i'm bored of seeing day in day out:

geenetic
runnners
WantAReciept
badcardplay3r
expekt2125345
ilove4A

Regulars i'm not bothered about seeing:

AcesPlz1990
klorinho1

Regulars i like seeing:

Wyern2
StolenMoments
TheGraverDiggers
UrFullOfIt

THOUGHTS ALL
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04-25-2008 , 10:24 AM
i dont like seing any of em...
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04-25-2008 , 12:27 PM
how expekt is not skint yet i dont know, acepslz is solid but goes bananas if you 3 bet him, stolen moments has the auto 3 bet button on
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04-25-2008 , 12:45 PM
tbh imo expect is solid, one of the better ones imo
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04-25-2008 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay.
regulars i'm bored of seeing day in day out:

geenetic
runnners
WantAReciept
badcardplay3r
expekt2125345
ilove4A

Regulars i'm not bothered about seeing:

AcesPlz1990
klorinho1

Regulars i like seeing:

Wyern2
StolenMoments
TheGraverDiggers
UrFullOfIt

THOUGHTS ALL

Not surprising i admit i have played terrible these last two weeks and am close to dropping back to 5-10 even though i got 200+ buyins for that level need to sort my **** out .
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04-25-2008 , 04:07 PM
5\10 today was really infested of shortstacks with like 300$.
Mostly bad shortstackers but it isn t possible play "normal" in a table with 4 of them lol.
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