As I said in my OP

This hand was vs badringsting. He sat out everysecond hand so mechanically that he seemed like a bot. Then this hand happenend and it almost certainly seemed like a bot that just spazzed out.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $20(BB) IPoker
SB ($2,277)
BB ($5,186)
Hero ($2,020)

Dealt to Hero 8 J

Hero raises to $60, SB calls $50, fold

FLOP ($140) 2 A 9

SB checks, Hero bets $80, SB calls $80

TURN ($300) 2 A 9 T

SB checks, Hero bets $240, SB calls $240

RIVER ($780) 2 A 9 T K

SB checks, Hero bets $580, SB calls $580

SB shows 3 4
(Pre 35%, Flop 36.7%, Turn 22.7%)

Hero shows 8 J
(Pre 65%, Flop 63.3%, Turn 77.3%)

Hero wins $1,938[/QUOTE]

I have noticed that some of these players playing a similar style are definitely worse than others though.

don't get this guy banned

They don't all play the same.
Some are looser, some are nittier, but they keep the same proportions.

They might not be the best players at the tables, but they're still pretty tough to play against and most likely you won't have a big winrate against them.
They have been winning $400k+ (600k+ if they have rakeback) in less then a year, and that's just from the ones I noted. I'm sure there are more that I missed (Nikojin11, RizoTheRat, vamp7639 just from checking the tables right now) + at other stakes + now apparently on other sites too.

I have been checking through their stats, and the tightest ones I could find play 25/18. In fact there are 2 players I have found playing that tight, and both with very similar stats:



Alot of them play 27/20, 30/23, and the loosest seem to be at 37/27.

There is definately something very fishy going on.

That's interesting as they appear to exclusively play 1knl as their main game on non FTP + Stars sites.

It's like the clone school try to remain secret by avoiding midstakes and any video training site exposure.

Do they appear to table-select?

Let me get this straight then.... are we saying they are "bots" or "clones" (or does that mean the same thing) or are we inferring that they are a group of players playing the EXACT same style?

FWIW i agree that this looks really fishy and that they are indeed very tough to play against when on your left.

I am happy to report this to the manager of my skin who will fwd it to the higher ups on Ipoker... Anyone already done that?

I don't get how having very similar stats/style (albeit quite unorthodox) equates to being a bot. You could stay the same thing about most TAG mass multitablers. Is there any other evidence other than never responding to chat? (I don't even see a reason to have chat box open unless you are a HU player)

There's a *****load of "clones" on Everest 1kNL too, all from Australia/NZ/Italy, like 20 of them. I noticed some on Party too. I'm thinking more and more these are bots, I mean I've never heard anybody ever who've met any single one of them in real life. There should be a thread dedicated to this.

Obviously the name is culturally popular enough that 2 people could conceivably choose the same one, but KillBauer was a 2+2er for a while (he's now banned).

I've been convinced for some time now that these guys don't tangle with each other as much as they seem to tangle with me...I'd be more inclined to think they were some kind of "team" than actual bots.

I wouldn't rule out the second possibility either, though, particularly with all the weird timing, (put in 700 out of 1000 stack with aa then dont instacall shove etc...) obscure names and the fact that nobody in the poker community seems to have any idea who they are.

That was the guy who scammed me

That would explain why he's banned. Cliffs on what happened?

He contacted me about Ipoker deals, and I gave him my MSN. We talked and he seemed like a nice guy. A few weeks in, he wondered if I wanted to do a stake together with him. The guy we were thinking of staking seemed competent and showed good graphs, so I invested. He ran well, and we decided to do another stake. Then, they both started running very poorly, and needed more money, which I sent. After a while, I got suspicious and started looking into it. Found out that everything was just fake and the stakees didn't even exist. Never heard from him again. He was a pro, and I was young and naive. Not doing that (costly) misstake again That's the reason to why I'm now playing 200nl now btw

wait wat! that's crazy... I know I commented several times about how that guy seemed shady after he offered to be an escrow like 3 days after he registered and some mod pmed me asked me to stop.

Ha yeah, he PM'd me for some reason (?) asking me why you were accusing him of being 2shae! He did mention that he had a canadian IP though, not australian?

when he first started posting i did think he was at least somewhat likely to be 2shae just because of timing and how much he was posting, how annoying he was etc. Just re-read the PM I got and the mod sent it only b/c killbaur asked him to and that they were investigating him b/c there were valid concerns.

I don't really know but there's definately something very suspicious going on.
Right now I'm tending to belive there are bots.
I mean how do a ****load of players suddently appear in 1kNL games without moving up through the stakes?

Even if they're not bots there might be some softplaying/collusion involved.

I was going to report them, but I'm not sure how much that would help since iPoker are notoriously knows as a network with poor support.
Maybe there's someone here with connections to the iPoker management who can help us get this properly investigated.

THIS

I'll see what I can do. Should be able to get it through to the head of VC, at least. If someone wants to write the mail and post it here so I can send it, it'd be great. Don't have too much time today.

add realdoll, dongler, glofoxx401, boryanich2 + maybe pellegrino73, hank0071, stoorkebab and am1015 to the list from what me and my DB can remember.

yo guys

my co affiliate/friend has dinner and speaks to one of the heads of ipoker a lot, i knew about the implementing of 30bb tables abouth 2-3 weeks before anyone on here but was told not to say anything

anyway point being i can probably get this directley to him

so someone give me a write up of what to forward

Really going to start mixing in more clone-bets to my strategy.

careful you might get accused of colluding and using a bot

I'm checking my database right now to make sure I don't miss any of them and will make a report later today.
With all the new ones I've found they must be close to the million on PTR.

pellegrino73, hank0071, stoorkebab are not between them afaik, they're just really loose regs.

Hi,

I'll be posting here as I've moved to iPoker recently.

Also:
+1.
Penelope, have you chosen your soft yet?
I've got the same problem, so if anyone have any suggestions I'll appreciate that.
(I'am playing at will hill so need software to the old ipoker client).

peace