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07-21-2008 , 07:34 PM
Yes, but you forget to add in +futuretiltEV from that comment alone.
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07-21-2008 , 07:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bottomset
lot of skill in calling 4bets dominated and flopping trips
its called knowing how to out flop... and knowing when you will... takes years of experience and testing and spewing.... Ive almost got it down pat now
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07-21-2008 , 09:15 PM
black mambas a btch, slow roll his ass all day!
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07-21-2008 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dankness3
black mambas a btch, slow roll his ass all day!
lol
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07-21-2008 , 10:18 PM
theory of pie imo
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07-21-2008 , 11:03 PM
brag: won a donkament at Pendleton for $18,118

I made the live donkey heads assplode with my crazy calls pf (+EV yet "weird" obviously)
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07-21-2008 , 11:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RikaKazak
brag: won a donkament at Pendleton for $18,118

I made the live donkey heads assplode with my crazy calls pf (+EV yet "weird" obviously)
vvn.
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07-22-2008 , 12:50 AM
To everyone on this forum who doesn't know how it feels to actually run bad, here is a day in the life of Kelisitaan. I usually don't save all the beats, but I decided to do it today. This day was probably like 1k worse than I normally run, and here is every single big pot that I played today:

PokerStars Game #18999962476: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/21 - 20:24:12 (ET)
Table 'Mitaka' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Yorkian ($594 in chips)
Seat 2: wobbly_au ($1392.25 in chips)
Seat 3: chesherkat1 ($713.35 in chips)
Seat 4: SLA123 ($189.95 in chips)
Seat 5: BigBird3000 ($580.40 in chips)
Seat 6: conquis7 ($579 in chips)
Seat 7: SobraoBoY ($595.15 in chips)
Seat 8: VaBch_Aces ($956.25 in chips)
Seat 9: Kelisitaan ($591 in chips)
Yorkian: posts small blind $3
wobbly_au: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Kd Kh]
chesherkat1: folds
SLA123: folds
BigBird3000: folds
conquis7: folds
SobraoBoY: folds
VaBch_Aces: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $6 to $12
Yorkian: folds
wobbly_au: raises $30 to $42
Kelisitaan: raises $66 to $108
wobbly_au: calls $66
*** FLOP *** [Th 9h Ts]
wobbly_au: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $135
wobbly_au: raises $1149.25 to $1284.25 and is all-in
Kelisitaan: calls $348 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($801.25) returned to wobbly_au
*** TURN *** [Th 9h Ts] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [Th 9h Ts Qs] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wobbly_au: shows [Ks Qh] (a straight, Nine to King)
Kelisitaan: shows [Kd Kh] (a straight, Nine to King)
wobbly_au collected $591 from pot
Kelisitaan collected $591 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1185 | Rake $3
Board [Th 9h Ts Qs Jd]
Seat 1: Yorkian (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: wobbly_au (big blind) showed [Ks Qh] and won ($591) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 3: chesherkat1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: SLA123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: BigBird3000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: conquis7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: SobraoBoY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: VaBch_Aces folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Kelisitaan (button) showed [Kd Kh] and won ($591) with a straight, Nine to King

PokerStars Game #19000116700: Hold'em Pot Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/21 - 20:30:46 (ET)
Table 'Fini II' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: SobraoBoY ($645 in chips)
Seat 3: Tarjei82 ($603.45 in chips)
Seat 4: Kelisitaan ($615 in chips)
Seat 6: duc_tran713 ($373.90 in chips)
Seat 7: dankness3 ($613.80 in chips)
Seat 8: BM256 ($60.40 in chips)
Seat 9: hennyhen ($550.05 in chips)
Tarjei82: posts small blind $3
Kelisitaan: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Td Ac]
duc_tran713: folds
grenspan joins the table at seat #1
dankness3: folds
grenspan leaves the table
BM256: folds
hennyhen: folds
SobraoBoY: raises $12 to $18
Tarjei82: folds
Kelisitaan: calls $12
*** FLOP *** [4c 3c Kc]
Kelisitaan: checks
SobraoBoY: bets $24
Kelisitaan: raises $36 to $60
SobraoBoY: calls $36
*** TURN *** [4c 3c Kc] [Jc]
Kelisitaan: bets $150
SobraoBoY: raises $417 to $567 and is all-in
Kelisitaan: calls $387 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($30) returned to SobraoBoY
*** RIVER *** [4c 3c Kc Jc] [5h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelisitaan: shows [Td Ac] (a flush, Ace high)
SobraoBoY: mucks hand
Kelisitaan collected $1230 from pot
Kelisitaan said, "lol"
Kelisitaan said, "sobrao"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1233 | Rake $3
Board [4c 3c Kc Jc 5h]
Seat 2: SobraoBoY (button) mucked [9c 9h]
Seat 3: Tarjei82 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Kelisitaan (big blind) showed [Td Ac] and won ($1230) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: duc_tran713 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: dankness3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: BM256 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: hennyhen folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #19000120797: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/07/21 - 20:30:57 (ET)
Table 'Tamara II' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Bikstik8585 ($1301 in chips)
Seat 2: Caikev ($960 in chips)
Seat 3: wobbly_au ($985 in chips)
Seat 4: SobraoBoY ($1032 in chips)
Seat 5: tsifknits ($1269 in chips)
Seat 6: futilewar ($1976.75 in chips)
Seat 8: SnowSurfer ($772.75 in chips)
Seat 9: Kelisitaan ($950 in chips)
SobraoBoY: posts small blind $5
tsifknits: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Qs Qh]
futilewar: calls $10
SnowSurfer: folds
Kelisitaan: calls $10
Bikstik8585: folds
Caikev: folds
wobbly_au: calls $10
SobraoBoY: folds
tsifknits: checks
*** FLOP *** [9s Tc Qc]
tsifknits: checks
futilewar: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $20
wobbly_au: raises $70 to $90
tsifknits: folds
futilewar: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $170 to $260
wobbly_au: raises $715 to $975 and is all-in
Kelisitaan: calls $680 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($35) returned to wobbly_au
*** TURN *** [9s Tc Qc] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [9s Tc Qc Jh] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelisitaan: shows [Qs Qh] (three of a kind, Queens)
wobbly_au: shows [Jc 9c] (a flush, Queen high)
wobbly_au collected $1922 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1925 | Rake $3
Board [9s Tc Qc Jh 5c]
Seat 1: Bikstik8585 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Caikev folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: wobbly_au (button) showed [Jc 9c] and won ($1922) with a flush, Queen high
Seat 4: SobraoBoY (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: tsifknits (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: futilewar folded on the Flop
Seat 8: SnowSurfer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Kelisitaan showed [Qs Qh] and lost with three of a kind, Queens

PokerStars Game #19001249420: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/07/21 - 21:18:48 (ET)
Table 'Lyka' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Default71721 ($162.25 in chips)
Seat 2: LeGod74 ($1403.85 in chips)
Seat 3: Kelisitaan ($1212.50 in chips)
Seat 4: QUIDNESSETT ($144 in chips)
Seat 5: wobbly_au ($1663 in chips)
Seat 6: crapface82 ($993.75 in chips)
Seat 7: TiiB ($208.75 in chips)
Seat 8: Shazmeister ($1015 in chips)
Seat 9: SobraoBoY ($1559 in chips)
QUIDNESSETT: posts small blind $5
wobbly_au: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Ah Kd]
crapface82: folds
TiiB: folds
Shazmeister: folds
SobraoBoY: folds
Default71721: folds
LeGod74: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $10 to $20
QUIDNESSETT: folds
wobbly_au: raises $60 to $80
Kelisitaan: calls $60
*** FLOP *** [Ad As 8d]
wobbly_au: bets $123
Kelisitaan: raises $123 to $246
wobbly_au: calls $123
*** TURN *** [Ad As 8d] [Qd]
wobbly_au: checks
Kelisitaan: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ad As 8d Qd] [9h]
wobbly_au: bets $295
Kelisitaan: calls $295
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wobbly_au: shows [Ac 8s] (a full house, Aces full of Eights)
Kelisitaan: mucks hand
wobbly_au collected $1244 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1247 | Rake $3
Board [Ad As 8d Qd 9h]
Seat 1: Default71721 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: LeGod74 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Kelisitaan (button) mucked [Ah Kd]
Seat 4: QUIDNESSETT (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: wobbly_au (big blind) showed [Ac 8s] and won ($1244) with a full house, Aces full of Eights
Seat 6: crapface82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: TiiB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Shazmeister folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: SobraoBoY folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #19001395720: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/07/21 - 21:25:06 (ET)
Table 'Ulla II' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 4: crapface82 ($1078 in chips)
Seat 6: wobbly_au ($1625.50 in chips)
Seat 7: max_pot ($1038 in chips)
Seat 8: Kelisitaan ($1299 in chips)
Seat 9: baddassmofo ($771 in chips)
crapface82: posts small blind $5
wobbly_au: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Td Th]
max_pot: raises $20 to $30
Kelisitaan: calls $30
baddassmofo: folds
crapface82: folds
wobbly_au: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qh Ac Tc]
max_pot: bets $60
Kelisitaan: raises $110 to $170
max_pot: raises $838 to $1008 and is all-in
Kelisitaan: calls $838
*** TURN *** [Qh Ac Tc] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [Qh Ac Tc Kh] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
max_pot: shows [Qc Qs] (three of a kind, Queens)
Kelisitaan: mucks hand
max_pot collected $2089 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2091 | Rake $2
Board [Qh Ac Tc Kh 4h]
Seat 4: crapface82 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: wobbly_au (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: max_pot showed [Qc Qs] and won ($2089) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 8: Kelisitaan mucked [Td Th]
Seat 9: baddassmofo (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #19001494694: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/07/21 - 21:29:25 (ET)
Table 'Perseus IV' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: wobbly_au ($1231.50 in chips)
Seat 3: crapface82 ($1211 in chips)
Seat 6: Shazmeister ($1040 in chips)
Seat 8: Kelisitaan ($1118.60 in chips)
Kelisitaan: posts small blind $5
wobbly_au: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Ks Jh]
crapface82: folds
Shazmeister: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $10 to $20
wobbly_au: raises $50 to $70
Kelisitaan: calls $50
*** FLOP *** [Js 6s Kd]
Kelisitaan: checks
wobbly_au: bets $123
Kelisitaan: raises $147 to $270
wobbly_au: raises $891.50 to $1161.50 and is all-in
Kelisitaan: calls $778.60 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($112.90) returned to wobbly_au
*** TURN *** [Js 6s Kd] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [Js 6s Kd 7c] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelisitaan: shows [Ks Jh] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
wobbly_au: mucks hand
Kelisitaan collected $2235.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2237.20 | Rake $2
Board [Js 6s Kd 7c 6c]
Seat 1: wobbly_au (big blind) mucked [Kc Qh]
Seat 3: crapface82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Shazmeister (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Kelisitaan (small blind) showed [Ks Jh] and won ($2235.20) with two pair, Kings and Jacks

PokerStars Game #19001548749: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/07/21 - 21:31:47 (ET)
Table 'Perseus IV' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: wobbly_au ($970 in chips)
Seat 3: crapface82 ($1166 in chips)
Seat 6: Shazmeister ($1040 in chips)
Seat 8: Kelisitaan ($2270.20 in chips)
Kelisitaan: posts small blind $5
wobbly_au: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Qh Qs]
crapface82: folds
Shazmeister: raises $20 to $30
Kelisitaan: raises $80 to $110
wobbly_au: folds
Shazmeister: raises $210 to $320
Kelisitaan: raises $1950.20 to $2270.20 and is all-in
Shazmeister: calls $720 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($1230.20) returned to Kelisitaan
*** FLOP *** [7s 5h 7c]
*** TURN *** [7s 5h 7c] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [7s 5h 7c Js] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelisitaan: shows [Qh Qs] (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
Shazmeister: mucks hand
Kelisitaan collected $2088 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2090 | Rake $2
Board [7s 5h 7c Js 2s]
Seat 1: wobbly_au (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: crapface82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Shazmeister (button) mucked [9h 9c]
Seat 8: Kelisitaan (small blind) showed [Qh Qs] and won ($2088) with two pair, Queens and Sevens

PokerStars Game #19001868795: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/21 - 21:45:41 (ET)
Table 'Thalassa' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: ZhugeL1ang ($784 in chips)
Seat 2: cwood3 ($386.90 in chips)
Seat 3: Felson ($598.95 in chips)
Seat 4: kerpowski ($571 in chips)
Seat 5: Shiv ($1038.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Kelisitaan ($597 in chips)
cwood3: posts small blind $3
Felson: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Ad Ac]
kerpowski: folds
Shiv: raises $12 to $18
Kelisitaan: raises $42 to $60
ZhugeL1ang: folds
cwood3: folds
Felson: folds
Shiv: calls $42
*** FLOP *** [3c 8s 9h]
Shiv: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $66
Shiv: calls $66
*** TURN *** [3c 8s 9h] [Js]
Shiv: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $185
Shiv: raises $727.50 to $912.50 and is all-in
Kelisitaan: calls $286 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($441.50) returned to Shiv
*** RIVER *** [3c 8s 9h Js] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Shiv: shows [Td Qd] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
Kelisitaan: mucks hand
Shiv collected $1200 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1203 | Rake $3
Board [3c 8s 9h Js Tc]
Seat 1: ZhugeL1ang (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: cwood3 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Felson (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: kerpowski folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Shiv showed [Td Qd] and won ($1200) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 6: Kelisitaan mucked [Ad Ac]

PokerStars Game #19001914131: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/07/21 - 21:47:36 (ET)
Table 'Pyrrha II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Milusya ($1696.05 in chips)
Seat 2: futilewar ($1082 in chips)
Seat 3: baddassmofo ($1180 in chips)
Seat 4: crapface82 ($1213 in chips)
Seat 5: QUIDNESSETT ($169 in chips)
Seat 6: Shazmeister ($1030 in chips)
Seat 7: wobbly_au ($1084 in chips)
Seat 8: Kelisitaan ($990 in chips)
Seat 9: AQUA RAIDER ($437 in chips)
Kelisitaan: posts small blind $5
AQUA RAIDER: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Qc Qd]
Milusya: folds
futilewar: calls $10
baddassmofo: folds
crapface82 has timed out
crapface82: folds
crapface82 is sitting out
QUIDNESSETT: folds
Shazmeister: folds
crapface82 has returned
wobbly_au: calls $10
Kelisitaan: raises $60 to $70
AQUA RAIDER: calls $60
futilewar: folds
wobbly_au: folds
*** FLOP *** [6d Ad 8d]
Kelisitaan: checks
AQUA RAIDER: bets $50
Kelisitaan: calls $50
*** TURN *** [6d Ad 8d] [7d]
Kelisitaan: checks
AQUA RAIDER: checks
*** RIVER *** [6d Ad 8d 7d] [8s]
Kelisitaan: bets $125
AQUA RAIDER: raises $192 to $317 and is all-in
Kelisitaan: folds
Uncalled bet ($192) returned to AQUA RAIDER
AQUA RAIDER collected $507 from pot
AQUA RAIDER: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $510 | Rake $3
Board [6d Ad 8d 7d 8s]
Seat 1: Milusya folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: futilewar folded before Flop
Seat 3: baddassmofo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: crapface82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: QUIDNESSETT folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Shazmeister folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: wobbly_au (button) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Kelisitaan (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 9: AQUA RAIDER (big blind) collected ($507)

(he said in chat he had quad 8s)

PokerStars Game #19001987069: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/21 - 21:50:43 (ET)
Table 'Genua IV' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: IMSAKIDD ($135 in chips)
Seat 2: ZhugeL1ang ($1164.20 in chips)
Seat 3: kerpowski ($832 in chips)
Seat 4: Kjell-Arne ($205.15 in chips)
Seat 5: Kelisitaan ($507 in chips)
Seat 6: Pappe_Ruk ($594 in chips)
Pappe_Ruk: posts small blind $3
IMSAKIDD: posts big blind $6
Kjell-Arne: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [As Ac]
ZhugeL1ang: folds
kerpowski: folds
Kjell-Arne: checks
Kelisitaan: calls $6
Pappe_Ruk: raises $30 to $36
IMSAKIDD: folds
Kjell-Arne: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $54 to $90
Pappe_Ruk: raises $504 to $594 and is all-in
Kelisitaan: calls $417 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($87) returned to Pappe_Ruk
*** FLOP *** [Qs 9h Ks]
*** TURN *** [Qs 9h Ks] [9c]
*** RIVER *** [Qs 9h Ks 9c] [Kc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Pappe_Ruk: shows [7d 7c] (two pair, Kings and Nines)
Kelisitaan: shows [As Ac] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Kelisitaan collected $1023 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1026 | Rake $3
Board [Qs 9h Ks 9c Kc]
Seat 1: IMSAKIDD (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: ZhugeL1ang folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: kerpowski folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Kjell-Arne folded before Flop
Seat 5: Kelisitaan (button) showed [As Ac] and won ($1023) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 6: Pappe_Ruk (small blind) showed [7d 7c] and lost with two pair, Kings and Nines

PokerStars Game #19002311482: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/07/21 - 22:04:48 (ET)
Table 'Hyperion' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Kelisitaan ($940.75 in chips)
Seat 2: MATECO ($1476 in chips)
Seat 4: YellowCab ($1000 in chips)
Seat 5: racin77db ($709 in chips)
Seat 6: wobbly_au ($1137 in chips)
Seat 7: max_pot ($1000 in chips)
Seat 8: crapface82 ($1531 in chips)
Seat 9: futilewar ($2270 in chips)
futilewar: posts small blind $5
Kelisitaan: posts big blind $10
jahwe: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Jc Jd]
MATECO: folds
YellowCab: folds
racin77db: folds
MATECO is sitting out
wobbly_au: folds
MATECO leaves the table
max_pot: folds
crapface82: raises $20 to $30
futilewar: folds
Default71721 joins the table at seat #2
Kelisitaan: raises $80 to $110
crapface82: raises $1421 to $1531 and is all-in
Kelisitaan: calls $830.75 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($590.25) returned to crapface82
*** FLOP *** [3s 4d Js]
*** TURN *** [3s 4d Js] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [3s 4d Js 5s] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelisitaan: shows [Jc Jd] (three of a kind, Jacks)
crapface82: mucks hand
Kelisitaan collected $1883.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1886.50 | Rake $3
Board [3s 4d Js 5s Qd]
Seat 1: Kelisitaan (big blind) showed [Jc Jd] and won ($1883.50) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 2: MATECO folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: YellowCab folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: racin77db folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: wobbly_au folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: max_pot folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: crapface82 (button) mucked [7s 7c]
Seat 9: futilewar (small blind) folded before Flop

PokerStars Game #19002534694: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/21 - 22:14:36 (ET)
Table 'Thalassa' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: JEM87 ($594 in chips)
Seat 2: rskksr1 ($442.10 in chips)
Seat 3: Felson ($750.35 in chips)
Seat 4: corazon1234 ($217 in chips)
Seat 5: Shiv ($1879.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Kelisitaan ($691.75 in chips)
JEM87: posts small blind $3
rskksr1: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Qh Qs]
Felson: folds
corazon1234: raises $12 to $18
Shiv: folds
Kelisitaan: calls $18
JEM87: folds
rskksr1: calls $12
*** FLOP *** [8d 9s 8s]
rskksr1: bets $40
corazon1234: calls $40
Kelisitaan: raises $633.75 to $673.75 and is all-in
rskksr1: calls $384.10 and is all-in
corazon1234: folds
Uncalled bet ($249.65) returned to Kelisitaan
*** TURN *** [8d 9s 8s] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [8d 9s 8s Jd] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rskksr1: shows [7d 7s] (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
Kelisitaan: shows [Qh Qs] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
Kelisitaan collected $942.20 from pot
rskksr1 leaves the table
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $945.20 | Rake $3
Board [8d 9s 8s Jd Kd]
Seat 1: JEM87 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: rskksr1 (big blind) showed [7d 7s] and lost with two pair, Eights and Sevens
Seat 3: Felson folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: corazon1234 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Shiv folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Kelisitaan (button) showed [Qh Qs] and won ($942.20) with two pair, Queens and Eights

PokerStars Game #19002962202: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/21 - 22:33:29 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: OJ IS GUILTY ($157.75 in chips)
Seat 2: Shiv ($1957.80 in chips)
Seat 3: Kelisitaan ($621.55 in chips)
Seat 4: BLACK REIGN6 ($1366.05 in chips)
Seat 5: awobball44 ($944.10 in chips)
Seat 6: Pappe_Ruk ($600 in chips)
awobball44: posts small blind $3
Pappe_Ruk: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Ac Kd]
OJ IS GUILTY: calls $6
Shiv: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $6 to $12
BLACK REIGN6: folds
awobball44: folds
Pappe_Ruk: raises $48 to $60
OJ IS GUILTY: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $96 to $156
Pappe_Ruk: raises $444 to $600 and is all-in
Kelisitaan: calls $444
*** FLOP *** [4h Tc 4s]
*** TURN *** [4h Tc 4s] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [4h Tc 4s 9d] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Pappe_Ruk: shows [Qh Ad] (two pair, Tens and Fours)
Kelisitaan: shows [Ac Kd] (two pair, Tens and Fours)
Pappe_Ruk collected $603 from pot
Kelisitaan collected $603 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1209 | Rake $3
Board [4h Tc 4s 9d Th]
Seat 1: OJ IS GUILTY folded before Flop
Seat 2: Shiv folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Kelisitaan showed [Ac Kd] and won ($603) with two pair, Tens and Fours
Seat 4: BLACK REIGN6 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: awobball44 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Pappe_Ruk (big blind) showed [Qh Ad] and won ($603) with two pair, Tens and Fours

PokerStars Game #19003183275: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/21 - 22:42:53 (ET)
Table 'Lynx V' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: ChiefBTSH ($939.25 in chips)
Seat 3: technologic ($819.20 in chips)
Seat 4: Dr. Fells ($111 in chips)
Seat 5: Kelisitaan ($639.25 in chips)
Seat 6: JEM87 ($804 in chips)
technologic: posts small blind $3
Dr. Fells: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [As Tc]
Kelisitaan: raises $6 to $12
JEM87: folds
ChiefBTSH: raises $18 to $30
technologic: folds
Dr. Fells: folds
Kelisitaan: calls $18
*** FLOP *** [Jc 4h Ah]
Kelisitaan: checks
ChiefBTSH: bets $54
Kelisitaan: calls $54
*** TURN *** [Jc 4h Ah] [Ts]
garompon joins the table at seat #2
Kelisitaan: checks
ChiefBTSH: bets $168
Kelisitaan: raises $387.25 to $555.25 and is all-in
ChiefBTSH: calls $387.25
*** RIVER *** [Jc 4h Ah Ts] [4s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelisitaan: shows [As Tc] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
ChiefBTSH: mucks hand
Kelisitaan collected $1285.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1287.50 | Rake $2
Board [Jc 4h Ah Ts 4s]
Seat 1: ChiefBTSH (button) mucked [Ad Ks]
Seat 3: technologic (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Dr. Fells (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Kelisitaan showed [As Tc] and won ($1285.50) with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 6: JEM87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #19003249323: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/21 - 22:45:44 (ET)
Table 'Martir IV' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: technologic ($966 in chips)
Seat 2: JEM87 ($855.75 in chips)
Seat 3: copi ($217.55 in chips)
Seat 4: desert121 ($313.60 in chips)
Seat 5: Kelisitaan ($658.35 in chips)
Seat 6: Pappe_Ruk ($585 in chips)
Pappe_Ruk: posts small blind $3
technologic: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Jh Ah]
JEM87: folds
copi: folds
desert121: calls $6
Kelisitaan: raises $24 to $30
Pappe_Ruk: folds
technologic: folds
desert121: calls $24
*** FLOP *** [3d Jc Td]
desert121: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $36
desert121: calls $36
*** TURN *** [3d Jc Td] [5c]
desert121: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $105
desert121: calls $105
*** RIVER *** [3d Jc Td 5c] [3c]
desert121: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $156
desert121: calls $142.60 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($13.40) returned to Kelisitaan
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelisitaan: shows [Jh Ah] (two pair, Jacks and Threes)
desert121: shows [3s As] (three of a kind, Threes)
desert121 collected $633.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $636.20 | Rake $3
Board [3d Jc Td 5c 3c]
Seat 1: technologic (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: JEM87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: copi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: desert121 showed [3s As] and won ($633.20) with three of a kind, Threes
Seat 5: Kelisitaan (button) showed [Jh Ah] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Threes
Seat 6: Pappe_Ruk (small blind) folded before Flop
***Official Beats, Brags, Variance*** Quote
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PokerStars Game #19003334889: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/21 - 22:49:27 (ET)
Table 'Graffias III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: d3l3t3U ($966.30 in chips)
Seat 2: Kelisitaan ($715.65 in chips)
Seat 3: Pappe_Ruk ($766.20 in chips)
Seat 4: awobball44 ($1730.50 in chips)
Seat 5: River Prayer ($582 in chips)
Seat 6: StoneCold17 ($378.80 in chips)
StoneCold17: posts small blind $3
d3l3t3U: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [6d 6s]
Kelisitaan: raises $6 to $12
Pappe_Ruk: folds
awobball44: folds
River Prayer: folds
StoneCold17: calls $9
d3l3t3U: folds
*** FLOP *** [6h Qd Ad]
StoneCold17: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $6
StoneCold17: raises $30 to $36
Kelisitaan: calls $30
*** TURN *** [6h Qd Ad] [8c]
StoneCold17: bets $84
Kelisitaan: raises $583.65 to $667.65 and is all-in
StoneCold17: calls $246.80 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($336.85) returned to Kelisitaan
*** RIVER *** [6h Qd Ad 8c] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
StoneCold17: shows [Ac 6c] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
Kelisitaan: shows [6d 6s] (a full house, Sixes full of Eights)
Kelisitaan collected $760.60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $763.60 | Rake $3
Board [6h Qd Ad 8c 8s]
Seat 1: d3l3t3U (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Kelisitaan showed [6d 6s] and won ($760.60) with a full house, Sixes full of Eights
Seat 3: Pappe_Ruk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: awobball44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: River Prayer (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: StoneCold17 (small blind) showed [Ac 6c] and lost with two pair, Aces and Eights

PokerStars Game #19003334710: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/21 - 22:49:26 (ET)
Table 'Martir IV' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: technologic ($957 in chips)
Seat 2: JEM87 ($786.75 in chips)
Seat 3: copi ($172.55 in chips)
Seat 4: desert121 ($702.20 in chips)
Seat 5: Kelisitaan ($642 in chips)
Seat 6: Pappe_Ruk ($582 in chips)
desert121: posts small blind $3
Kelisitaan: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Jc Jh]
Pappe_Ruk: folds
technologic: folds
JEM87: folds
copi: raises $12 to $18
desert121: calls $15
Kelisitaan: raises $60 to $78
copi: folds
desert121: calls $60
*** FLOP *** [2s 7h 7d]
desert121: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $78
desert121: calls $78
*** TURN *** [2s 7h 7d] [Ad]
desert121: checks
Kelisitaan: checks
*** RIVER *** [2s 7h 7d Ad] [Td]
desert121: checks
Kelisitaan: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
desert121: shows [9h 6h] (a pair of Sevens)
Kelisitaan: shows [Jc Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
Kelisitaan collected $327 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $330 | Rake $3
Board [2s 7h 7d Ad Td]
Seat 1: technologic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: JEM87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: copi (button) folded before Flop
Seat 4: desert121 (small blind) showed [9h 6h] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 5: Kelisitaan (big blind) showed [Jc Jh] and won ($327) with two pair, Jacks and Sevens
Seat 6: Pappe_Ruk folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #19003598361: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/07/21 - 23:01:03 (ET)
Table 'Kriemhild' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: crapface82 ($1167.25 in chips)
Seat 2: denny7373 ($970 in chips)
Seat 3: Shazmeister ($2394 in chips)
Seat 4: baddassmofo ($798.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Kelisitaan ($1180 in chips)
Seat 6: max_pot ($1000 in chips)
Seat 7: YellowCab ($1000 in chips)
Seat 8: wobbly_au ($3937 in chips)
Seat 9: futilewar ($1015 in chips)
Kelisitaan: posts small blind $5
max_pot: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [7h 6h]
YellowCab: folds
wobbly_au: raises $20 to $30
futilewar: folds
crapface82: folds
denny7373: folds
Shazmeister: folds
baddassmofo: calls $30
Kelisitaan: raises $100 to $130
max_pot: folds
wobbly_au: calls $100
baddassmofo: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s 4s 5d]
Kelisitaan: bets $190
wobbly_au: raises $3617 to $3807 and is all-in
Kelisitaan: calls $860 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($2757) returned to wobbly_au
*** TURN *** [7s 4s 5d] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [7s 4s 5d 6s] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelisitaan: shows [7h 6h] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
wobbly_au: mucks hand
Kelisitaan collected $2397 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2400 | Rake $3
Board [7s 4s 5d 6s 2c]
Seat 1: crapface82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: denny7373 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Shazmeister folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: baddassmofo (button) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Kelisitaan (small blind) showed [7h 6h] and won ($2397) with two pair, Sevens and Sixes
Seat 6: max_pot (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: YellowCab folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: wobbly_au mucked [Qd Qh]
Seat 9: futilewar folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #19003893348: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/21 - 23:14:38 (ET)
Table 'Koronis IV' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: Kelisitaan ($618.60 in chips)
Seat 3: LuckyLady519 ($1332.90 in chips)
Seat 5: JBogues ($663.45 in chips)
Seat 6: billzfan86 ($570.75 in chips)
Seat 7: 666DAA ($351.15 in chips)
Seat 8: pianospike ($582 in chips)
Seat 9: loosefer ($597 in chips)
JBogues: posts small blind $3
billzfan86: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [5d 5s]
666DAA: folds
pianospike: folds
loosefer: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $6 to $12
LuckyLady519: folds
JBogues: folds
billzfan86: raises $33 to $45
Kelisitaan: calls $33
*** FLOP *** [5h 8h Qd]
billzfan86: bets $70
Kelisitaan: raises $70 to $140
billzfan86: raises $385.75 to $525.75 and is all-in
Kelisitaan: calls $385.75
*** TURN *** [5h 8h Qd] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [5h 8h Qd Qs] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
billzfan86: shows [Kc Ks] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
Kelisitaan: shows [5d 5s] (a full house, Fives full of Queens)
Kelisitaan collected $1141.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1144.50 | Rake $3
Board [5h 8h Qd Qs 9h]
Seat 2: Kelisitaan showed [5d 5s] and won ($1141.50) with a full house, Fives full of Queens
Seat 3: LuckyLady519 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: JBogues (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: billzfan86 (big blind) showed [Kc Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 7: 666DAA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: pianospike folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: loosefer folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #19003948711: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/07/21 - 23:17:15 (ET)
Table 'Leona' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: elhefe#1 ($565 in chips)
Seat 3: plyboy_binny ($2064 in chips)
Seat 4: danny31415 ($200 in chips)
Seat 6: crapface82 ($1497 in chips)
Seat 7: max_pot ($1560.65 in chips)
Seat 8: YellowCab ($1415 in chips)
Seat 9: Kelisitaan ($1300 in chips)
plyboy_binny: posts small blind $5
danny31415: posts big blind $10
mtg38skopok2: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [As Ac]
crapface82: folds
max_pot: folds
YellowCab: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $10 to $20
elhefe#1: raises $30 to $50
plyboy_binny: folds
danny31415: folds
Kelisitaan: calls $30
*** FLOP *** [5c 5s 7h]
Kelisitaan: checks
elhefe#1: bets $60
Kelisitaan: calls $60
*** TURN *** [5c 5s 7h] [Jh]
Kelisitaan: checks
elhefe#1: bets $210
Kelisitaan: raises $730 to $940
elhefe#1: calls $245 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($485) returned to Kelisitaan
*** RIVER *** [5c 5s 7h Jh] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelisitaan: shows [As Ac] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
elhefe#1: mucks hand
Kelisitaan collected $1142 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1145 | Rake $3
Board [5c 5s 7h Jh Td]
Seat 2: elhefe#1 (button) mucked [Th 9h]
Seat 3: plyboy_binny (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: danny31415 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: crapface82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: max_pot folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: YellowCab folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Kelisitaan showed [As Ac] and won ($1142) with two pair, Aces and Fives

PokerStars Game #19004151555: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/21 - 23:27:00 (ET)
Table 'Graffias III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Linksus23 ($594 in chips)
Seat 2: Kelisitaan ($484.10 in chips)
Seat 3: NosferatuMan ($600 in chips)
Seat 4: taioneon ($1107.20 in chips)
Seat 5: noahlee ($397 in chips)
Seat 6: DrunkPPlaya ($591 in chips)
Linksus23: posts small blind $3
Kelisitaan: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [9s 8c]
NosferatuMan: folds
taioneon: calls $6
noahlee: folds
DrunkPPlaya: folds
Linksus23: calls $3
Kelisitaan: checks
*** FLOP *** [5s 9d 8s]
Linksus23: checks
Kelisitaan: checks
taioneon: checks
*** TURN *** [5s 9d 8s] [9c]
Linksus23: checks
Kelisitaan: checks
taioneon: checks
*** RIVER *** [5s 9d 8s 9c] [7d]
Linksus23: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $6
taioneon: raises $6 to $12
Linksus23: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $466.10 to $478.10 and is all-in
taioneon: calls $466.10
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelisitaan: shows [9s 8c] (a full house, Nines full of Eights)
taioneon: mucks hand
Kelisitaan collected $971.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $974.20 | Rake $3
Board [5s 9d 8s 9c 7d]
Seat 1: Linksus23 (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: Kelisitaan (big blind) showed [9s 8c] and won ($971.20) with a full house, Nines full of Eights
Seat 3: NosferatuMan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: taioneon mucked [Ts Jh]
Seat 5: noahlee folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: DrunkPPlaya (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #19004447256: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/21 - 23:41:32 (ET)
Table 'Sappho IV' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: TheChosenWun ($714.95 in chips)
Seat 2: plyboy_binny ($627 in chips)
Seat 3: LuckyLady519 ($778.40 in chips)
Seat 4: pianospike ($582 in chips)
Seat 5: Rizen ($627 in chips)
Seat 6: BrokerOf$$ ($360 in chips)
Seat 7: Kelisitaan ($1058.50 in chips)
Seat 8: lucky1lucky1 ($273.25 in chips)
Seat 9: billzfan86 ($1144.60 in chips)
billzfan86: posts small blind $3
TheChosenWun: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Td Th]
plyboy_binny: folds
LuckyLady519: folds
pianospike: folds
Rizen: raises $12 to $18
BrokerOf$$: calls $18
Kelisitaan: calls $18
lucky1lucky1: calls $18
billzfan86: folds
TheChosenWun: calls $12
*** FLOP *** [Ac 6d Ts]
TheChosenWun: checks
Rizen: bets $54
BrokerOf$$: calls $54
Kelisitaan: calls $54
lucky1lucky1: folds
TheChosenWun: folds
*** TURN *** [Ac 6d Ts] [Qs]
Rizen: bets $144
BrokerOf$$: calls $144
Kelisitaan: raises $842.50 to $986.50 and is all-in
Rizen: calls $411 and is all-in
BrokerOf$$: calls $144 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($431.50) returned to Kelisitaan
*** RIVER *** [Ac 6d Ts Qs] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Rizen: shows [6h 6s] (three of a kind, Sixes)
Kelisitaan: shows [Td Th] (three of a kind, Tens)
Kelisitaan collected $534 from side pot
BrokerOf$$: mucks hand
Kelisitaan collected $1116 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1653 Main pot $1116. Side pot $534. | Rake $3
Board [Ac 6d Ts Qs 2c]
Seat 1: TheChosenWun (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: plyboy_binny folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: LuckyLady519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: pianospike folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Rizen showed [6h 6s] and lost with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 6: BrokerOf$$ mucked [As Kd]
Seat 7: Kelisitaan showed [Td Th] and won ($1650) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 8: lucky1lucky1 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: billzfan86 (small blind) folded before Flop

PokerStars Game #19004530362: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/21 - 23:45:41 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: mr ottoman ($667.45 in chips)
Seat 2: MT UR Wallet ($111 in chips)
Seat 3: Kelisitaan ($622.65 in chips)
Seat 4: AggroBot ($591 in chips)
Seat 5: LURPED ($582 in chips)
Seat 6: kgdcase ($791.65 in chips)
kgdcase: posts small blind $3
mr ottoman: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [As 6s]
MT UR Wallet: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $6 to $12
AggroBot: folds
LURPED: folds
kgdcase: folds
mr ottoman: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [Ac 5s Js]
mr ottoman: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $6
mr ottoman: raises $12 to $18
Kelisitaan: calls $12
*** TURN *** [Ac 5s Js] [4s]
mr ottoman: bets $42
Kelisitaan: raises $147 to $189
mr ottoman: calls $147
*** RIVER *** [Ac 5s Js 4s] [4c]
mr ottoman: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $225
mr ottoman: calls $225
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelisitaan: shows [As 6s] (a flush, Ace high)
mr ottoman: mucks hand
Kelisitaan collected $888 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $891 | Rake $3
Board [Ac 5s Js 4s 4c]
Seat 1: mr ottoman (big blind) mucked [Ad 5d]
Seat 2: MT UR Wallet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Kelisitaan showed [As 6s] and won ($888) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: AggroBot folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: LURPED (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: kgdcase (small blind) folded before Flop

PokerStars Game #19004810324: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/22 - 00:00:10 (ET)
Table 'Koronis IV' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: Kelisitaan ($1250.60 in chips)
Seat 3: LuckyLady519 ($1147.90 in chips)
Seat 4: yymee ($600 in chips)
Seat 5: JBogues ($819.40 in chips)
Seat 6: billzfan86 ($1111.50 in chips)
Seat 7: 666DAA ($267.45 in chips)
Seat 8: pianospike ($696.90 in chips)
Seat 9: rytoast ($594 in chips)
rytoast: posts small blind $3
Kelisitaan: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Qh Qs]
LuckyLady519: folds
yymee: folds
JBogues: folds
billzfan86: raises $18 to $24
666DAA: folds
pianospike: calls $24
rytoast: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $66 to $90
billzfan86: folds
pianospike: calls $66
*** FLOP *** [6c 2c 8s]
Kelisitaan: bets $150
pianospike: calls $150
*** TURN *** [6c 2c 8s] [6d]
Kelisitaan: bets $1010.60 and is all-in
pianospike: calls $456.90 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($553.70) returned to Kelisitaan
*** RIVER *** [6c 2c 8s 6d] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelisitaan: shows [Qh Qs] (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
pianospike: shows [Td Ts] (a full house, Tens full of Sixes)
pianospike collected $1417.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1420.80 | Rake $3
Board [6c 2c 8s 6d Tc]
Seat 2: Kelisitaan (big blind) showed [Qh Qs] and lost with two pair, Queens and Sixes
Seat 3: LuckyLady519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: yymee folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: JBogues folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: billzfan86 folded before Flop
Seat 7: 666DAA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: pianospike (button) showed [Td Ts] and won ($1417.80) with a full house, Tens full of Sixes
Seat 9: rytoast (small blind) folded before Flop

PokerStars Game #19004926421: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/22 - 00:06:24 (ET)
Table 'Lynx V' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: uknownX ($257.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Punty ($621 in chips)
Seat 3: d3l3t3U ($127 in chips)
Seat 4: mc_AD2 ($884.05 in chips)
Seat 5: Kelisitaan ($1127.45 in chips)
Seat 6: Linksus23 ($594 in chips)
Linksus23: posts small blind $3
uknownX: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [As Ad]
Punty: folds
d3l3t3U: folds
mc_AD2: raises $12 to $18
Kelisitaan: raises $48 to $66
Linksus23: folds
uknownX: folds
mc_AD2: calls $48
*** FLOP *** [Qs Kc Tc]
mc_AD2: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $67
mc_AD2: raises $121 to $188
Kelisitaan: calls $121
*** TURN *** [Qs Kc Tc] [8c]
mc_AD2: bets $311
Kelisitaan: folds
Uncalled bet ($311) returned to mc_AD2
mc_AD2 collected $514 from pot
mc_AD2: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $517 | Rake $3
Board [Qs Kc Tc 8c]
Seat 1: uknownX (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Punty folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: d3l3t3U folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: mc_AD2 collected ($514)
Seat 5: Kelisitaan (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: Linksus23 (small blind) folded before Flop

PokerStars Game #19005050773: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/22 - 00:13:14 (ET)
Table 'Julia IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: Kelisitaan ($1079 in chips)
Seat 3: Punty ($1188.30 in chips)
Seat 4: PiS.ToTo ($1454.95 in chips)
Seat 5: lolosaurusex ($600 in chips)
Seat 6: AggroBot ($630 in chips)
Punty: posts small blind $3
PiS.ToTo: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Ah Kh]
lolosaurusex: raises $12 to $18
AggroBot: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $42 to $60
Punty: folds
PiS.ToTo: folds
lolosaurusex: raises $90 to $150
Kelisitaan: raises $120 to $270
lolosaurusex: raises $330 to $600 and is all-in
Kelisitaan: calls $330
*** FLOP *** [2h 5c 8c]
*** TURN *** [2h 5c 8c] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [2h 5c 8c 8h] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lolosaurusex: shows [Th Ts] (two pair, Tens and Eights)
Kelisitaan: shows [Ah Kh] (a flush, Ace high)
Kelisitaan collected $1207 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1209 | Rake $2
Board [2h 5c 8c 8h 3h]
Seat 2: Kelisitaan (button) showed [Ah Kh] and won ($1207) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: Punty (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: PiS.ToTo (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: lolosaurusex showed [Th Ts] and lost with two pair, Tens and Eights
Seat 6: AggroBot folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #19005045214: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/07/22 - 00:12:55 (ET)
Table 'Kriemhild' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: crapface82 ($1009.25 in chips)
Seat 2: denny7373 ($1439 in chips)
Seat 3: bengalss ($1658.75 in chips)
Seat 4: brasil1606 ($744 in chips)
Seat 5: Kelisitaan ($2524.75 in chips)
Seat 6: loosefer ($960 in chips)
Seat 7: YellowCab ($1000 in chips)
Seat 8: jahwe ($2007 in chips)
Seat 9: plyboy_binny ($1076 in chips)
loosefer: posts small blind $5
YellowCab: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Kc Kd]
jahwe: raises $20 to $30
plyboy_binny: folds
crapface82: folds
denny7373: folds
bengalss: calls $30
brasil1606: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $130 to $160
loosefer: folds
YellowCab: folds
jahwe: folds
bengalss: calls $130
*** FLOP *** [Js 5h Qd]
bengalss: bets $150
Kelisitaan: calls $150
*** TURN *** [Js 5h Qd] [5c]
bengalss: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $335
bengalss: raises $1013.75 to $1348.75 and is all-in
Kelisitaan: calls $1013.75
*** RIVER *** [Js 5h Qd 5c] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bengalss: shows [Tc Th] (a full house, Tens full of Fives)
Kelisitaan: mucks hand
bengalss collected $3359.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3362.50 | Rake $3
Board [Js 5h Qd 5c Td]
Seat 1: crapface82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: denny7373 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bengalss showed [Tc Th] and won ($3359.50) with a full house, Tens full of Fives
Seat 4: brasil1606 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Kelisitaan (button) mucked [Kc Kd]
Seat 6: loosefer (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: YellowCab (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: jahwe folded before Flop
Seat 9: plyboy_binny folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #19005085672: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/07/22 - 00:15:10 (ET)
Table 'Pyrrha II' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: rytoast ($1415.50 in chips)
Seat 2: lucky1lucky1 ($711.75 in chips)
Seat 3: JPette333 ($1000 in chips)
Seat 4: crapface82 ($1573.25 in chips)
Seat 5: plyboy_binny ($1003.75 in chips)
Seat 6: mtg38skopok2 ($195 in chips)
Seat 7: brasil1606 ($605 in chips)
Seat 8: Kelisitaan ($1272.25 in chips)
Seat 9: YellowCab ($1000 in chips)
rytoast: posts small blind $5
lucky1lucky1: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [8h 9h]
JPette333: folds
crapface82: folds
plyboy_binny: folds
mtg38skopok2: folds
brasil1606: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $10 to $20
YellowCab: folds
rytoast: folds
lucky1lucky1: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [Th 5h Qh]
lucky1lucky1: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $20
lucky1lucky1: calls $20
*** TURN *** [Th 5h Qh] [Qc]
lucky1lucky1: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $60
lucky1lucky1: raises $60 to $120
Kelisitaan: calls $60
*** RIVER *** [Th 5h Qh Qc] [Kd]
lucky1lucky1: bets $140
Kelisitaan: calls $140
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lucky1lucky1: shows [6h Kh] (a flush, King high)
Kelisitaan: mucks hand
lucky1lucky1 collected $602 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $605 | Rake $3
Board [Th 5h Qh Qc Kd]
Seat 1: rytoast (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: lucky1lucky1 (big blind) showed [6h Kh] and won ($602) with a flush, King high
Seat 3: JPette333 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: crapface82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: plyboy_binny folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mtg38skopok2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: brasil1606 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Kelisitaan mucked [8h 9h]
Seat 9: YellowCab (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #19005208558: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/07/22 - 00:22:03 (ET)
Table 'Leona' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: jahwe ($1062 in chips)
Seat 2: TOHNMOGO ($535.75 in chips)
Seat 3: plyboy_binny ($2143 in chips)
Seat 4: rytoast ($972.75 in chips)
Seat 5: JPette333 ($1000 in chips)
Seat 6: crapface82 ($2847.30 in chips)
Seat 7: max_pot ($2121.65 in chips)
Seat 8: YellowCab ($1369 in chips)
Seat 9: Kelisitaan ($1578.75 in chips)
rytoast: posts small blind $5
JPette333: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [6d 6c]
crapface82: folds
max_pot: folds
YellowCab: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $10 to $20
jahwe: folds
TOHNMOGO: calls $20
plyboy_binny: calls $20
rytoast: folds
JPette333: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [8c 6s 5c]
JPette333: checks
Kelisitaan: checks
TOHNMOGO: bets $80
plyboy_binny: folds
JPette333: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $120 to $200
TOHNMOGO: raises $315.75 to $515.75 and is all-in
Kelisitaan: calls $315.75
*** TURN *** [8c 6s 5c] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [8c 6s 5c 3s] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelisitaan: shows [6d 6c] (three of a kind, Sixes)
TOHNMOGO: mucks hand
Kelisitaan collected $1113.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1116.50 | Rake $3
Board [8c 6s 5c 3s 7h]
Seat 1: jahwe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: TOHNMOGO mucked [6h 5h]
Seat 3: plyboy_binny (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: rytoast (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: JPette333 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: crapface82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: max_pot folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: YellowCab folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Kelisitaan showed [6d 6c] and won ($1113.50) with three of a kind, Sixes

PokerStars Game #19005338890: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/07/22 - 00:29:36 (ET)
Table 'Ulla II' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: YellowCab ($2125.50 in chips)
Seat 2: no_details ($541.35 in chips)
Seat 3: otomiko2 ($754 in chips)
Seat 4: crapface82 ($2251.75 in chips)
Seat 5: plyboy_binny ($1257 in chips)
Seat 6: JPette333 ($1512 in chips)
Seat 7: max_pot ($1265 in chips)
Seat 8: Kelisitaan ($1000 in chips)
Seat 9: Loves2Bluff ($1081 in chips)
crapface82: posts small blind $5
plyboy_binny: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Jh 8h]
JPette333: folds
max_pot: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $10 to $20
Loves2Bluff: folds
YellowCab: folds
no_details: folds
otomiko2: calls $20
crapface82: folds
plyboy_binny: folds
*** FLOP *** [5h 9h Kd]
Kelisitaan: bets $20
otomiko2: raises $80 to $100
Kelisitaan: raises $880 to $980 and is all-in
otomiko2: calls $634 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($246) returned to Kelisitaan
*** TURN *** [5h 9h Kd] [As]
*** RIVER *** [5h 9h Kd As] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelisitaan: shows [Jh 8h] (a pair of Fives)
otomiko2: shows [Kh Ah] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
otomiko2 collected $1520 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1523 | Rake $3
Board [5h 9h Kd As 5s]
Seat 1: YellowCab folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: no_details folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: otomiko2 (button) showed [Kh Ah] and won ($1520) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 4: crapface82 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: plyboy_binny (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: JPette333 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: max_pot folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Kelisitaan showed [Jh 8h] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 9: Loves2Bluff folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #19005474482: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/22 - 00:37:14 (ET)
Table 'Genua IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Linksus23 ($579 in chips)
Seat 2: Michael7 ($452.40 in chips)
Seat 3: d3l3t3U ($319.35 in chips)
Seat 4: Punty ($606 in chips)
Seat 5: Kelisitaan ($558 in chips)
Seat 6: IMSAKIDD ($138.55 in chips)
d3l3t3U: posts small blind $3
Punty: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Kd Ks]
Kelisitaan: raises $6 to $12
IMSAKIDD: folds
Linksus23: raises $43 to $55
Michael7: folds
d3l3t3U: folds
Punty: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $80 to $135
Linksus23: calls $80
*** FLOP *** [3s 2c 8h]
Kelisitaan: checks
Linksus23: bets $144
Kelisitaan: raises $279 to $423 and is all-in
Linksus23: calls $279
*** TURN *** [3s 2c 8h] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [3s 2c 8h 8d] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelisitaan: shows [Kd Ks] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
Linksus23: shows [As Ac] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
Linksus23 collected $1122 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1125 | Rake $3
Board [3s 2c 8h 8d 6h]
Seat 1: Linksus23 showed [As Ac] and won ($1122) with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 2: Michael7 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: d3l3t3U (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Punty (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Kelisitaan showed [Kd Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Eights
Seat 6: IMSAKIDD folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #19005524871: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/07/22 - 00:40:07 (ET)
Table 'Lynx V' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: QuickStilz ($522 in chips)
Seat 2: Punty ($570 in chips)
Seat 3: MT UR Wallet ($111 in chips)
Seat 4: ace6suited12 ($423 in chips)
Seat 5: Kelisitaan ($833.15 in chips)
Seat 6: MadHattter ($665 in chips)
ace6suited12: posts small blind $3
Kelisitaan: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Qh 9d]
MadHattter: folds
QuickStilz: folds
Punty: raises $12 to $18
MT UR Wallet: folds
ace6suited12: calls $15
Kelisitaan: raises $54 to $72
Punty: folds
ace6suited12: calls $54
*** FLOP *** [Qs 4d 4c]
ace6suited12: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $77
ace6suited12: calls $77
*** TURN *** [Qs 4d 4c] [Jd]
ace6suited12: checks
Kelisitaan: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qs 4d 4c Jd] [9c]
ace6suited12: bets $138
Kelisitaan: raises $342 to $480
ace6suited12: calls $136 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($206) returned to Kelisitaan
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelisitaan: shows [Qh 9d] (two pair, Queens and Nines)
ace6suited12: mucks hand
ace6suited12 leaves the table
Kelisitaan collected $861 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $864 | Rake $3
Board [Qs 4d 4c Jd 9c]
Seat 1: QuickStilz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Punty folded before Flop
Seat 3: MT UR Wallet (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ace6suited12 (small blind) mucked [Ts Ad]
Seat 5: Kelisitaan (big blind) showed [Qh 9d] and won ($861) with two pair, Queens and Nines
Seat 6: MadHattter folded before Flop (didn't bet)

There was a 1400 dollar pot I lost with KK vs AA in 6 max vs Drunkpplay also...seem to have lost the HH for that one
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07-22-2008 , 12:57 AM
Quote:
PokerStars Game #19005045214: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/07/22 - 00:12:55 (ET)
Table 'Kriemhild' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: crapface82 ($1009.25 in chips)
Seat 2: denny7373 ($1439 in chips)
Seat 3: bengalss ($1658.75 in chips)
Seat 4: brasil1606 ($744 in chips)
Seat 5: Kelisitaan ($2524.75 in chips)
Seat 6: loosefer ($960 in chips)
Seat 7: YellowCab ($1000 in chips)
Seat 8: jahwe ($2007 in chips)
Seat 9: plyboy_binny ($1076 in chips)
loosefer: posts small blind $5
YellowCab: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kelisitaan [Kc Kd]
jahwe: raises $20 to $30
plyboy_binny: folds
crapface82: folds
denny7373: folds
bengalss: calls $30
brasil1606: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $130 to $160
loosefer: folds
YellowCab: folds
jahwe: folds
bengalss: calls $130
*** FLOP *** [Js 5h Qd]
bengalss: bets $150
Kelisitaan: calls $150
*** TURN *** [Js 5h Qd] [5c]
bengalss: checks
Kelisitaan: bets $335
bengalss: raises $1013.75 to $1348.75 and is all-in
Kelisitaan: calls $1013.75
*** RIVER *** [Js 5h Qd 5c] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bengalss: shows [Tc Th] (a full house, Tens full of Fives)
Kelisitaan: mucks hand
bengalss collected $3359.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3362.50 | Rake $3
Board [Js 5h Qd 5c Td]
Seat 1: crapface82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: denny7373 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bengalss showed [Tc Th] and won ($3359.50) with a full house, Tens full of Fives
Seat 4: brasil1606 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Kelisitaan (button) mucked [Kc Kd]
Seat 6: loosefer (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: YellowCab (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: jahwe folded before Flop
Seat 9: plyboy_binny folded before Flop (didn't bet)
how is this anything but standard
***Official Beats, Brags, Variance*** Quote
07-22-2008 , 01:00 AM
Summary for those who don't want to read:

I never suckout preflop, ever. If I hit a set, or think I won a flip, it turns out they were shoving on me with a ****ty pocket and I was ahead the whole way. My KK NEVER sucks out on AA, yet theirs sucks out plenty, and I seem to get KK vs AA more than the other way around. Whenever I get QQ in vs KK or AA, it never ever sucks out...but they suckout on me lots.

People also spew like mad vs me, and that's how I manage to stay affloat. I am willing to bet that I run worse than anyone on this forum at this point, and that is truly sickening. For all who think that "no, this is a downswing, stop bitching"....it's NOT...this is NORMAL play, and probably SLIGHTLY worse than average. I guarentee that ANYONE who ran even close to as bad as me would be busto. I don't know what to do now...I don't even know who to ask for advice, because no one truly knows what it feels like to literally never run well.

Last edited by Kelisitaan; 07-22-2008 at 01:06 AM.
***Official Beats, Brags, Variance*** Quote
07-22-2008 , 01:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelisitaan
Summary for those who don't want to read:

I never suckout preflop, ever. If I hit a set, or think I won a flip, it turns out they were shoving on me with a ****ty pocket and I was ahead the whole way. My KK NEVER sucks out on AA, yet theirs sucks out plenty, and I seem to get KK vs AA more than the other way around.

People also spew like mad vs me, and that's how I manage to stay affloat. I am willing to bet that I run worse than anyone on this forum at this point, and that is truly sickening. For all who think that "no, this is a downswing, stop bitching"....it's NOT...this is NORMAL play, and probably SLIGHTLY worse than average. I guarentee that ANYONE who ran even close to as bad as me would be busto. I don't know what to do now...I don't even know who to ask for advice, because no one truly knows what it feels like to literally never run well.
This is honestly exactly how I feel also. And yes, I can make posts like yours every single day also. I had several 2-3 outers on the river today with all the money in. I simply dont care anymore after doing this for a few years now.

But I honestly feel like I have no idea what it is to run good. I run like total sht every single day. If I have a day when I get sucked out on only a couple of times that is running super hot for me. I don't even consider sucking out on other people cause it simply doesnt happen. I think I did hit a flush draw once though against a set. It was cool.
***Official Beats, Brags, Variance*** Quote
07-22-2008 , 01:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by speedle
Keli, have u ever read Tommy Angelo's book?
No, what is it about? downswings?
***Official Beats, Brags, Variance*** Quote
07-22-2008 , 01:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Mamba
This is honestly exactly how I feel also. And yes, I can make posts like yours every single day also. I had several 2-3 outers on the river today with all the money in. I simply dont care anymore after doing this for a few years now.

But I honestly feel like I have no idea what it is to run good. I run like total sht every single day. If I have a day when I get sucked out on only a couple of times that is running super hot for me. I don't even consider sucking out on other people cause it simply doesnt happen. I think I did hit a flush draw once though against a set. It was cool.
This is a really good point, and I forgot to include it in my ramblings. I would have NO problem with running bad if I actually ran good to at least somewhat make up for it. I "run good" for at MOST 2-3 hours a week, and even that isn't running good, it's just having hands hold up and not getting brutally sucked out.

I seriously wish I knew what it is like to suckout on someone preflop, or in general...and yes I do put my money in behind plenty.

Also as I said this is a NORMAL day for me, this isn't like an exception...it's probably 1k lower in expectation than I normally run. This is not my worst day by far, etc., but a "normal" day. Everyone who runs at normal luck (like 90% of this forum or whatever)...appreciate how TRULY lucky you are.
***Official Beats, Brags, Variance*** Quote
07-22-2008 , 02:00 AM
For everybody running bad and claiming they lose more than their share: it isn't true. If for some reason you don't suck out as much as you get sucked out on, it's an indication that you're getting your money in good more than bad. Either that or you just haven't played enough.

When you've been running bad it's easy to forget that you will eventually stop running bad. You should read "The Prophet" some time, particularly the sections on "Joy and Sorrow" and "Pleasure and Pain."

(p.s. This isn't a note from somebody running good, fwiw. My July so far:

-$5k in live MTTs.
-$410 live cash games.
-$5,730 in online cash games (-5.8 PTBB/100 over 12k hands).
-$670 online MTTs.

I've analyzed all of my big pots this month, and with the exception of a few spots that are close and a few where I could have made a tough fold on my best days (but those tough folds are even tougher to make when you have to keep making them again and again without any big wins in between) I can't find too many big mistakes in my play. Just have to ride the variance wave, make sure you aren't playing bad and eventually come back out on top.
***Official Beats, Brags, Variance*** Quote
07-22-2008 , 02:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Proofrock
For everybody running bad and claiming they lose more than their share: it isn't true.
Generally speaking you are correct. but there will always be players who consistently run below expectation(sometimes signficantly), even for samples as large as 1MM hands.
***Official Beats, Brags, Variance*** Quote
07-22-2008 , 02:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Proofrock
For everybody running bad and claiming they lose more than their share: it isn't true. If for some reason you don't suck out as much as you get sucked out on, it's an indication that you're getting your money in good more than bad. Either that or you just haven't played enough.

When you've been running bad it's easy to forget that you will eventually stop running bad. You should read "The Prophet" some time, particularly the sections on "Joy and Sorrow" and "Pleasure and Pain."

(p.s. This isn't a note from somebody running good, fwiw. My July so far:

-$5k in live MTTs.
-$410 live cash games.
-$5,730 in online cash games (-5.8 PTBB/100 over 12k hands).
-$670 online MTTs.

I've analyzed all of my big pots this month, and with the exception of a few spots that are close and a few where I could have made a tough fold on my best days (but those tough folds are even tougher to make when you have to keep making them again and again without any big wins in between) I can't find too many big mistakes in my play. Just have to ride the variance wave, make sure you aren't playing bad and eventually come back out on top.
This isn't true at all though. I get my money in bad plenty (yes, obv I get it in good more), but trust me, my money goes in bad PLENTY of times and I NEVER suckout...I NEVER pull a "2 outer with 1 card to come" card, or a JJ>AA card, etc...I push JJ-AA all in pre, and run into bigger pockets ALL the time, and I NEVER suckout...in fact, I probably get it in WORSE than most people do preflop and I STILL never suckout.

Also, you play 12k hands...that is NOTHING...I play that in almost a day. You are in the 98%+ of the population who runs close to normal/normal luck, so you literally do NOT know what it's like to run bad...it does NOT even out in the end for the outliers, because PAST LUCK HAS 0 DETERMINATION ON FUTURE LUCK. Even with ALL this bad luck that I've taken, I STILL am just as likely to run bad in the future as anyone else is, so no, it really does NOT even out for the outliers, and for you to say that is being ignorant of statistics.
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07-22-2008 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Mamba
Generally speaking you are correct. but there will always be players who consistently run below expectation(sometimes signficantly), even for samples as large as 1MM hands.
Well said, anyone who disagrees is really ignorant about how poker/statistics work.
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07-22-2008 , 02:09 AM
Just took a shower and off top of my head these 2 beauties came to mind from today. Mind you I didnt even look through my hands today, I just specifically remembered these just to console Kelis.

also lol at 12k hansd that is like 1 or 2 days

PokerStars Game #19000908952: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/07/21 - 21:04:14 (ET)
Table 'Athalia II' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: sashenka ($274 in chips)
Seat 2: JawsNFX ($464 in chips)
Seat 3: jahwe ($400 in chips)
Seat 5: dankness3 ($403.40 in chips)
Seat 6: ScumBuzz ($724 in chips)
Seat 7: Tippern ($82.50 in chips)
Seat 8: BM256 ($86 in chips)
Seat 9: Default71721 ($96.50 in chips)
Jorge "Wire" was removed from the table for failing to post
dankness3: posts small blind $2
ScumBuzz: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JawsNFX [Ac Ad]
Tippern: calls $4
BM256: folds
Default71721: raises $8 to $12
sashenka: calls $12
JawsNFX: raises $40 to $52
jahwe: folds
dankness3: folds
ScumBuzz: folds
Tippern: folds
Default71721: folds
sashenka: raises $222 to $274 and is all-in
JawsNFX: calls $222
*** FLOP *** [Tc 7s Qh]
*** TURN *** [Tc 7s Qh] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 7s Qh 2s] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sashenka: shows [7d 7h] (four of a kind, Sevens)
JawsNFX: mucks hand
sashenka collected $567 from pot
corazon1234 joins the table at seat #4
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $570 | Rake $3
Board [Tc 7s Qh 2s 7c]
Seat 1: sashenka showed [7d 7h] and won ($567) with four of a kind, Sevens
Seat 2: JawsNFX mucked [Ac Ad]
Seat 3: jahwe (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: dankness3 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: ScumBuzz (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Tippern folded before Flop
Seat 8: BM256 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Default71721 folded before Flop


PokerStars Game #19001678460: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/07/21 - 21:37:33 (ET)
Table 'Gaea IV' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: dankness3 ($364.75 in chips)
Seat 2: JawsNFX ($400 in chips)
Seat 3: AJ9115 ($134.95 in chips)
Seat 4: tae2718 ($322.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Huha'sgirl ($432.35 in chips)
Seat 6: Francix ($382 in chips)
Seat 7: jahwe ($550.60 in chips)
Seat 8: bmwe93 ($490.95 in chips)
Seat 9: burgabkny ($419.50 in chips)
Huha'sgirl: posts small blind $2
Francix: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JawsNFX [Kc Ac]
jahwe: folds
bmwe93: raises $8 to $12
burgabkny: folds
dankness3: folds
JawsNFX: raises $36 to $48
AJ9115: folds
tae2718: folds
Huha'sgirl: folds
Francix: folds
bmwe93: calls $36
*** FLOP *** [3d Jh Kh]
bmwe93: bets $48
JawsNFX: raises $76 to $124
bmwe93: calls $76
*** TURN *** [3d Jh Kh] [8s]
bmwe93: bets $44
JawsNFX: raises $184 to $228 and is all-in
bmwe93: calls $184
*** RIVER *** [3d Jh Kh 8s] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bmwe93: shows [Kd Qc] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
JawsNFX: mucks hand
bmwe93 collected $803 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $806 | Rake $3
Board [3d Jh Kh 8s Qd]
Seat 1: dankness3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: JawsNFX mucked [Kc Ac]
Seat 3: AJ9115 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: tae2718 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Huha'sgirl (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Francix (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: jahwe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: bmwe93 showed [Kd Qc] and won ($803) with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 9: burgabkny folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Last edited by Black Mamba; 07-22-2008 at 02:15 AM.
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07-22-2008 , 02:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Mamba
Just took a shower and off top of my head these 2 beauties came to mind from today. Mind you I didnt even look through my hands today, I just specifically remembered these just to console Kelis.


PokerStars Game #19000908952: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/07/21 - 21:04:14 (ET)
Table 'Athalia II' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: sashenka ($274 in chips)
Seat 2: JawsNFX ($464 in chips)
Seat 3: jahwe ($400 in chips)
Seat 5: dankness3 ($403.40 in chips)
Seat 6: ScumBuzz ($724 in chips)
Seat 7: Tippern ($82.50 in chips)
Seat 8: BM256 ($86 in chips)
Seat 9: Default71721 ($96.50 in chips)
Jorge "Wire" was removed from the table for failing to post
dankness3: posts small blind $2
ScumBuzz: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JawsNFX [Ac Ad]
Tippern: calls $4
BM256: folds
Default71721: raises $8 to $12
sashenka: calls $12
JawsNFX: raises $40 to $52
jahwe: folds
dankness3: folds
ScumBuzz: folds
Tippern: folds
Default71721: folds
sashenka: raises $222 to $274 and is all-in
JawsNFX: calls $222
*** FLOP *** [Tc 7s Qh]
*** TURN *** [Tc 7s Qh] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 7s Qh 2s] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sashenka: shows [7d 7h] (four of a kind, Sevens)
JawsNFX: mucks hand
sashenka collected $567 from pot
corazon1234 joins the table at seat #4
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $570 | Rake $3
Board [Tc 7s Qh 2s 7c]
Seat 1: sashenka showed [7d 7h] and won ($567) with four of a kind, Sevens
Seat 2: JawsNFX mucked [Ac Ad]
Seat 3: jahwe (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: dankness3 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: ScumBuzz (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Tippern folded before Flop
Seat 8: BM256 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Default71721 folded before Flop


PokerStars Game #19001678460: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/07/21 - 21:37:33 (ET)
Table 'Gaea IV' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: dankness3 ($364.75 in chips)
Seat 2: JawsNFX ($400 in chips)
Seat 3: AJ9115 ($134.95 in chips)
Seat 4: tae2718 ($322.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Huha'sgirl ($432.35 in chips)
Seat 6: Francix ($382 in chips)
Seat 7: jahwe ($550.60 in chips)
Seat 8: bmwe93 ($490.95 in chips)
Seat 9: burgabkny ($419.50 in chips)
Huha'sgirl: posts small blind $2
Francix: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JawsNFX [Kc Ac]
jahwe: folds
bmwe93: raises $8 to $12
burgabkny: folds
dankness3: folds
JawsNFX: raises $36 to $48
AJ9115: folds
tae2718: folds
Huha'sgirl: folds
Francix: folds
bmwe93: calls $36
*** FLOP *** [3d Jh Kh]
bmwe93: bets $48
JawsNFX: raises $76 to $124
bmwe93: calls $76
*** TURN *** [3d Jh Kh] [8s]
bmwe93: bets $44
JawsNFX: raises $184 to $228 and is all-in
bmwe93: calls $184
*** RIVER *** [3d Jh Kh 8s] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bmwe93: shows [Kd Qc] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
JawsNFX: mucks hand
bmwe93 collected $803 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $806 | Rake $3
Board [3d Jh Kh 8s Qd]
Seat 1: dankness3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: JawsNFX mucked [Kc Ac]
Seat 3: AJ9115 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: tae2718 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Huha'sgirl (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Francix (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: jahwe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: bmwe93 showed [Kd Qc] and won ($803) with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 9: burgabkny folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Most players think they run bad because of 1 downswing, which is immediately canceled out by an upswing. They also think they run bad because they play bad. You are a good player, and you seem very logical, so I'm sure you run more or less as bad as I do in the longrun. My question is, how do you deal with it. I'm incredibly desperate...I try to think about how awesome my life is....how I'm still up a ****load of money this month (more than anyone on this forum), but it still doesn't console me. I know that poker is a blessing, and I should be forever thankful to be as good as I am at it...etc. etc., but for some reason all I do is keep remembering the consistant suckouts...my lungs literally are sore from all the screaming that I do after each brutality.

I seriously don't know what to do anymore, I keep waiting for an upswing but it never comes....I'm owed at least 6-7 "upswings" for this entire year, and it's so sad, because the same players continue to run over expectation for their entire careers, and I am left unlucky. I seriously want to move up, play some 10/20 and 25/50, but I can't because of how bad I run. I know I'm rambling but I'm incredibly depressed about this, and I really want to know how you handle with it, because you're probably one of the only people who truly knows what it's like to run bad.
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07-22-2008 , 02:27 AM
Hire a personal massage therapist to sit in your house and give you a massage every time you get sucked out that way you'll associate suck outs with feeling good and you'll be happy all the time.
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07-22-2008 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelisitaan
Most players think they run bad because of 1 downswing, which is immediately canceled out by an upswing. They also think they run bad because they play bad. You are a good player, and you seem very logical, so I'm sure you run more or less as bad as I do in the longrun. My question is, how do you deal with it. I'm incredibly desperate...I try to think about how awesome my life is....how I'm still up a ****load of money this month (more than anyone on this forum), but it still doesn't console me. I know that poker is a blessing, and I should be forever thankful to be as good as I am at it...etc. etc., but for some reason all I do is keep remembering the consistant suckouts...my lungs literally are sore from all the screaming that I do after each brutality.

I seriously don't know what to do anymore, I keep waiting for an upswing but it never comes....I'm owed at least 6-7 "upswings" for this entire year, and it's so sad, because the same players continue to run over expectation for their entire careers, and I am left unlucky. I seriously want to move up, play some 10/20 and 25/50, but I can't because of how bad I run. I know I'm rambling but I'm incredibly depressed about this, and I really want to know how you handle with it, because you're probably one of the only people who truly knows what it's like to run bad.

ill pm you, im playing a session right now. should be an interesting talk.
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07-22-2008 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelisitaan
This isn't true at all though. I get my money in bad plenty (yes, obv I get it in good more), but trust me, my money goes in bad PLENTY of times and I NEVER suckout...I NEVER pull a "2 outer with 1 card to come" card, or a JJ>AA card, etc...I push JJ-AA all in pre, and run into bigger pockets ALL the time, and I NEVER suckout...in fact, I probably get it in WORSE than most people do preflop and I STILL never suckout.

Also, you play 12k hands...that is NOTHING...I play that in almost a day. You are in the 98%+ of the population who runs close to normal/normal luck, so you literally do NOT know what it's like to run bad...it does NOT even out in the end for the outliers, because PAST LUCK HAS 0 DETERMINATION ON FUTURE LUCK. Even with ALL this bad luck that I've taken, I STILL am just as likely to run bad in the future as anyone else is, so no, it really does NOT even out for the outliers, and for you to say that is being ignorant of statistics.
Back it up with some pokertracker / pokerev stats if you don't mind. I don't disagree people can run bad over large samples.

Most of us feel like we NEVER suck out when we're behind -- most of the time we don't because it's less common to suckout. But most of suck out more than we remember -- i know I'm guilty of it because I see it all the time when I review the hands at the end of my sessions.

By the way, just because I've only played 12k hands so far online this month doesn't mean dropping 14 buy-ins in those 12k hands isn't running bad over that sample, even if it is "run of the mill running bad."
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07-22-2008 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelisitaan
Well said, anyone who disagrees is really ignorant about how poker/statistics work.
FWIW, I have a pretty good grasp of statistics (better than most I would imagine).
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07-22-2008 , 03:02 AM
keli, now after all those hands i bet you ended up money for the sesh?? +5k??
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