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01-05-2012 , 03:25 PM
yeah I'm no economic expert, but FWIW the our debt to China in large part protects the dollar and the US economy to some extent. The greatest weakness of the dollar and the US economy right now is our debt to China, but one of China's greatest assets is American debt. It's kind of a catch 22. They want us to pay it back, but demanding it get paid back in some short timeline would destroy it's value and the value of their debt. So instead they're going to give us every possible way to maintain the strength of our economy and dollar so that they can continue to rely on our debt as a viable asset in the global economy.

I think it's more likely you'll see the US economy slowly and gradually recede over the next century than simply crash. I don't think China would ever let us crash. It's entirely reasonable to the think the future of the US looks much more like the past of the UK than the past of the Soviet Union.
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01-05-2012 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by zachvac
@NCSU sorry if you were just joking but the irs realizes gold costs money, you can't claim to lose money then use that to buy gold that makes no sense lol. Also look at the graph I posted with gold. How is that always withstanding the test of time? And don't stocks gain value when the dollar is inflated as well? If I have stock in a really solid company and then the dollar collapses, as long as something replaces it or even if we just start paying $10 million for a gallon of milk, the stock will still retain its value right? Obviously any liquidity they have is ****ed but you get the point.

btw I'm a fish at this stuff I'm legit asking not trying to be condescending at all.
Sure stocks are good too. But there's something to be said for owning something that you can physically hold in your hands. When SHTF, if you don't hold it you don't own it. Personally, after black friday I just find it hard to trust anyone with my money. Maybe that's what led me to PMs. Maybe I'm just paranoid.
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01-05-2012 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by R0b5ter
This thread just started with one of my favorite topics. Tuco, you know what you are talking about. Here's my take:

I've been holding gold for a couple of years. Definitely not all in though, far from. Something like 15% physical Au, Ag and 10% miner equities. I'd feel comfortable increasing that a bit but I'd definitely not feel comfortable going all in like some gold bugs seem to be doing. I really don't see gold as a commodity but rather a currency. It's been a currency for thousands of years and as recent as 1971 when Nixon took the US off the gold standard gold was considered a currency by all nations since the dollar is the reserve currency of the world. With that said I understand arguments that gold doesn't have any value of is own etc. However no currency does. The fiat currency's all nations are currently on are backed by governments. Problems start when governments start mistreating the currency by debts spiraling out of control.

Here's where I get to slide into another favorite topic, peak oil. In my opinion what we are currently seeing is the cusp of the oil production. Even if production can hang in there a couple more years through oils sands and deep sea deposits we are currently seeing the EROI (energy return of investment) sink dramtically. In the beginning of the oil boom during the beginning of the last century a typical EROI of a oil well could be almost 100 to 1. You got 100 barrels of oil for 1 invested in the production. Now the EROI is bellow 10. Oil sands have an EROI of less than 5. This number will of course never reach 1 but it's a big enough problem that it's in the single digits. Our whole western society is built with cheap energy. Our economy is in its very essence a growth based entity. What we are seeing now is the western economy coming to a halt because growth can't be sustained. No cheap energy leads to less production and less growth. This coupled with Asian country's taking their fare share of the worlds resources has led to HUGE problems for the western world.

I personally think this is just the beginning. I could even go as far and say our life of living will be greatly reduced in the next coming decades. (as long as we don't get some kind of new super energy)

So back to gold. When the economy comes crumbling down I think there will be a lot of inflation. If countries can't grow their way out of debt they will inflate. And just as Tuco said you need to be owning tangible assets then. Not dollars. Not euros. Not Swedish kronors.

I have so much more I could say but I'll give it a rest here. Maybe I could tell you why I personally think silver could be great holding as well.
Have you watched The Crash Course by Chris Martensen? It's on Youtube and I would highly recommend for everyone ITT.

"Collapse" is a good documentary on peak oil, too.

On the political side, "Fall of the Republic" by Alex Jones is an entertaining doc. I think he's a bit over the top and I don't agree with all of it. Entertaining, though if you are into conspiracy/NWO type stuff.
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01-05-2012 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TucoRamirez
Sure stocks are good too. But there's something to be said for owning something that you can physically hold in your hands. When SHTF, if you don't hold it you don't own it. Personally, after black friday I just find it hard to trust anyone with my money. Maybe that's what led me to PMs. Maybe I'm just paranoid.
I feel the same way, but it is probably a mistake to be overly paranoid and miss out on some really good investment opportunities. This is one thing I am going to have to shake off in the future or I'll turn into a gold/silver only hoarding dumbass.
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01-05-2012 , 06:19 PM
in.
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01-05-2012 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TucoRamirez
Sure stocks are good too. But there's something to be said for owning something that you can physically hold in your hands. When SHTF, if you don't hold it you don't own it. Personally, after black friday I just find it hard to trust anyone with my money. Maybe that's what led me to PMs. Maybe I'm just paranoid.
Spot on as usual Pizzle. There is a currency war ongoing. Not only because of the debt the US has to China but even more so because each country wants their currency to be low in relation to other currencies because this promotes exports. I'm currently reading "Currency Wars" by Jim Rickards. The book is on this exact subject.

http://www.amazon.com/Currency-Wars-...5802483&sr=8-1


Tuco, thanks for those tips, will check them out!
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01-06-2012 , 12:43 AM
I haven't been keeping up to date on anything related to poker really, but I had a good laugh a couple days ago as I was deleting e-mails from one of my accounts. It read, "Welcome to Full Tilt Poker!". The date? April 4th. That's right, I changed sites juuuuuust in time right? Timing really is everything. Thank goodness 2011 is over, worst year financially of my life!
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01-09-2012 , 12:39 AM
thanks for the responses RE: FTP guys makes sense

would like to contribute to the latest discussion but I am not as knowledgeable as I would like to be on the subject... I feel like I am more bearish/critical than most about the current state of the US/macro economy than most and that there is a lot of shady **** going on behind closed doors but the whole gold bug movement just strikes me as overly paranoid?
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01-09-2012 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by GoMukYaSelf
thanks for the responses RE: FTP guys makes sense

would like to contribute to the latest discussion but I am not as knowledgeable as I would like to be on the subject... I feel like I am more bearish/critical than most about the current state of the US/macro economy than most and that there is a lot of shady **** going on behind closed doors but the whole gold bug movement just strikes me as overly paranoid?
Where do you recommend investing our money?
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01-09-2012 , 04:16 AM
I have infinitely more questions than answers I am afraid - when it comes to this game I'm the fish who realizes the game has started around him. Personally, I am in diversified index funds with a defensive bias designed to reduce volatility, have some PMs/REITs/etc, nothing too sexy. I'm not thrilled about it, but I don't really have any better ideas so I have just kept it simple. I am pessimistic about the game being beatable long-term for the little guy unless he has some sort of inside info or the company of interest has some sort of constraint on it (ex. market cap too small.) I tried to get really into equities for awhile, just wasn't for me... there is just too much noise out there and it just gets overwhelming for me trying to wrap my head around the infinite variables in play which just causes me to freeze up and do nothing.

cliffs: game is rigged --> read and sit on hands
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01-12-2012 , 01:20 AM
My friend and I were talking about the importance of a solid screen name in poker. We agreed it can be important depending on how you would like to convey your image to randoms. Thoughts?

Btw, I'm making a list of potential sn's for later. No, you can't see it.
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01-12-2012 , 02:08 AM
OMG dave4112 sold a big chung of FTP money for 35 cents on the dollar!!! WTF??!!!
He turning scammer or what? Does not make sense, does not make sense.
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01-12-2012 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by loco
OMG dave4112 sold a big chung of FTP money for 35 cents on the dollar!!! WTF??!!!
He turning scammer or what? Does not make sense, does not make sense.
Source? Maybe he needs money.
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01-12-2012 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TucoRamirez
Source? Maybe he needs money.
Was in the high stakes xfer thread.....
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01-12-2012 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by loco
OMG dave4112 sold a big chung of FTP money for 35 cents on the dollar!!! WTF??!!!
He turning scammer or what? Does not make sense, does not make sense.
times are tough
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01-12-2012 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TucoRamirez
My friend and I were talking about the importance of a solid screen name in poker. We agreed it can be important depending on how you would like to convey your image to randoms. Thoughts?

Btw, I'm making a list of potential sn's for later. No, you can't see it.
when everyone's solid, screen name strat is where a lot of the edge comes from

i don't want to post too much in public but a few pointers:

- if your name is in ALL CAPS you should bluffcatch more/bluff less
- if your name references a war criminal, mass murderer, or politician you should valuebet very, very thinly
- most regs in 2011 were on the level where if your name suggests that you're nitty, they would make thin calls and questionable bluffs
- most regs in 2011 were also on the level where if your name suggests that you are aggro/spewy, they would make thin calls and questionable bluffs
- expect the above level trends to invert around october 2012 if we're still playing internet poker then
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01-12-2012 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TucoRamirez
My friend and I were talking about the importance of a solid screen name in poker. We agreed it can be important depending on how you would like to convey your image to randoms. Thoughts?

Btw, I'm making a list of potential sn's for later. No, you can't see it.
i think a longgg time before making my screenname for some reason. i'm not sure my screennames really had much impact. if anything it has more impact against fish as regs just start treating the name as a playstyle eventually.

i do think there's something to be said that the majority of poker regs dont have screennames like ATLANTABRAVES83, unless they did it on purpose...
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01-12-2012 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave4112
times are tough
That sucks man, hope things turn around for you. Was .35 really the best deal that you could find? That just seems pretty low to me, but i havent been following it all that much
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01-12-2012 , 03:36 PM
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times are tough
I just took an engineering job again. Dream is dead for this guy.
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01-12-2012 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave4112
times are tough
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Originally Posted by tclark828
That sucks man, hope things turn around for you. Was .35 really the best deal that you could find? That just seems pretty low to me, but i havent been following it all that much
Yeah I'm really surprised at the price. If I wasn't already so exposed I would be willing to pay a lot more. I've been operating under the assumption I could get like .65-.75/$ for my funds. Hope I'm not that far off.
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01-12-2012 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave4112
times are tough

times are tough? dfly will bankroll you for Merge and can probably get you on some other sites with his tentacle of connections that grasp the whole world . And this thread might have given you a better price for your money. Next time ask bro. You beat the games for 4bb+/100 with a ridiculous high vpip preflop, people are not going to forget.
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01-12-2012 , 06:36 PM
Wawawawewa! 35c sucks! Cmon you could do much better than that. Hope you aren't in any huge financial trouble.
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01-12-2012 , 08:31 PM
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i think a longgg time before making my screenname for some reason. i'm not sure my screennames really had much impact. if anything it has more impact against fish as regs just start treating the name as a playstyle eventually.

i do think there's something to be said that the majority of poker regs dont have screennames like ATLANTABRAVES83, unless they did it on purpose...
I think I just found my future SN. Seriously though, all caps is a pretty good idea. Has there ever been a good player with all caps? I agree it doesn't matter vs regs. It's underrated vs randoms though. My roommate was pleasebluffme12. With his style + SN, it seemed to work for him.

Who were you on Stars too eazy?



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Originally Posted by DamnRinger
I just took an engineering job again. Dream is dead for this guy.
This makes me sad. But happy in a way since that's one less reg to deal with in the future. GL dude.
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01-12-2012 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tclark828
That sucks man, hope things turn around for you. Was .35 really the best deal that you could find? That just seems pretty low to me, but i havent been following it all that much
That's what I was thinkking. Does Dave know something we don't?
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01-12-2012 , 08:37 PM
Jungleman inferred he knew something everyone else didnt in high stakes chat thread, said something like what are your guys opinions on trading on inside info e.g. stars/tilt

We are def just days away from knowing one way or the other for ROW players. U.S. guys are a lock to get some but likely all of their money back in the next 12-18 months imo I would have found it pretty hard to say no if I knew you wanted 35c/$
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