Oh, it was a small pot. It was 5bb. I just happened to fire 500bb at it.

Hmmm... Let me think about this. I thought you needed like 40% or so folds for the math to work out, but maybe I'm thinking of something else.

No, not here. Just stove it.

you realise you can actually raise get it in here and hv the best hand relatively often as well tho right?
i just did some quick pokerstove and against a range of 22-99 AcXc Qc9c+ you have 48% equity, even his his range is considerably tighter than this which i doubt (if anything he has more FD's i didn't count) then i don't see how u need 40% folds for raising to be better than flatting, at a guess i wud say u cud just open shove flop profitably with the tiny amount of dead preflop money in the middle, let alone after a bet and a call, add in a nitty image and i think just chk / shoving flop might actually b best play for u here

not to mention that on top of all this, raising this hand on this flop just makes u tougher to play against PERIOD

Not a fan of check-shoving this deep, but definitely 100bbs deep.

So the facts are:
* calling is +ev
* if I have zero FE, raising is probably +ev because of the dead money. Actually, I think it's about the same +ev as calling (assuming you make a normal raise) because we have so much equity. But the more money you have to put in on the raise (ie shoving), the less +ev it is and the ev could even be negative (because you'll probably be behind vs sets and better draws).
* any fold equity you get is gravy. Altho we need to fold out two people who are hard to fold out.
* that 40% figure is based on a lower equity percentage - we have a ton here.

So all things considered, I agree raising > flatting, but I don't think it's by a substantial amount. Or maybe I'm biased because I probably get stacked if I raise. Interestingly, PF also had the option of raising and he chose to flat as well, but maybe it's because I always show up with top set in this spot. :-)

Whoa... I hope you're not implying I'm not tough to play against. Don't make me open up a can of my patented ferocious check-call line on you. :-)

ok I wasn't going to clue you in but since everyone else has, the 34s is an easy c/r on the flop. c/c'ing actually hurts you significantly because there are hands like the one I had that have a ton of equity against you that get put in horrible spots if you c/r. But even if I have you beat I never have you crushed so you are never making a huge mistake by c/r'ing. It's just a case of taking the aggressive route that makes my hand tougher to play, vs taking the passive route that makes my hand really easy to play.

and in the AQo hand you still haven't figured out the one reason that flatting pf is bad. and while the difficulty of playing it postflop is not wrong it isn't the important aspect.

too much strat here

Just wanted to make a post tonight saying how thankful I am for poker.

I had the opportunity to take my family out to the finest steakhouse in town tonight. Bought 4 bottles of wine, ate a spectacular meal, and honestly had the best dinner Ive ever had in my life. We are so lucky to be playing this great game (for a job ofrsupplimental income) and I hope everyone understands how awesome it is.

So cheers to everyone and if you have the chance, take care of the people you love.

P.S. - Yes im drunk . I love you all

amen

Wow, tons of strat here. Dfly, what havoc have you started?

Nice sentiments, Dave. I play for supplemental income and have done lots of fun things that we wouldn't usually do with poker money, so yeah, it is nice.

<3 dave

Yes he is out of position, say it already.

What I found most interesting about this hand is pizzle's 4bet size. I am not a believer that we can 4bet and then fold to a shove with 100bb stacks after someone has squeezed. However, pizzle's betsize clearly states that this is possible because he bet less than 30% of his stack size. He also gave Dfly 3.5 to 1 odds.

Basically what I am trying to say here, is that I really believe pizzle's 4betting range after facing a squeeze might be face up (AA-KK). I mean can you imagine giving someone 3.5 to 1 odds pre if you are bluffing or you have AK. Yuck. But then again the pizzle plays like 35% VPIP so he might be a master of getting away with nasty postflop scenarios.

Again it could be just a matter of preferences. I prefer to shove here with all my value hands and some raggity Aces and maybe a suited connector if I am getting squeezed >6%.


p.s Please note that I am only discussing the 4bet scenario in where the 3bet was a squeeze. I found pizzle's betsize to be really interesting. But then again I haven't played in forever and the game is probably leaving me behind

i giv up

you're pretty far off on my 4bet range and or how I react with all parts of it. I'm actually kind of surprised that such well known aspect of 4bet sizing seems foreign to you.

In the AQ hand, when you shove the flop, cause you put him on AK, do you want him to fold or do you think he'd call with worse?

that AQ hand is completely fine. ppl 4bet bluff all the time and u gotta maximize ur profit with 2nd non-pair nuts pf. u can also jam on any flop to his c-bet to fold out AK

and that 34ss flatting is deff better then raising. all u have is small pair so u should only put the money in when u have a flush. ualso wanna keep the fish in and let ppl bluff the flush card

theres my 1dollr. hope u guys apply it

if pizzles range is very wide i agree with AQ hand, shove to get AK to fold and lol at him for being such a nit in chat. 34 I dont wanna get stacked here either cuz you are super deep and that sucks bigtime to get shoved on and pair of 3s is second lowest pair u could have when they have higher.

I'm a little drunk but I'm hoping song is leveling. otherwise I might have to find head explosion gif.

wtf are you talking about? you actually think I fold AK to a 5bet ship from dfly there? have you ever played with me? do you think I'm ******ed?

plz tell me you're leveling.

hahahahaha +1

you have to fold cuz of metagames

lol so confused trying to decide if you're both leveling or if nfm is posting terrible strat. I just don't know anymore. so hard to read levels on the interwebs after a few beers.

You should know because you know I know that you know