i concur with pizzle. less good regs plz lets all focus on becoming more stupider

i'm on my way

I don't know who is better between larghett0 or AceCR9, but I think if you took the sum of their poker abilities and placed that into one player, that player would still be worse than kmoneyk10.

about time you outed yourself

He is obviously kmoney. :-)

Can you guys post/pm what you see my "fold to 3bet" as and whether you use HEM, PT2 or PT3. I see it as 60 on HEM but someone else is telling me they see it as 80 on PT3. It would be really weird if the two programs had different ways of calcing this.

I have PT3 and I have you at 79% fold to 3b. This is over 34k hands. What do you have me at on HEM?

pt3 has a ******ed definition of fold to 3b IIRC.

I have you at 60% fold to 3bet over the last 769 hands. I also only use stats from the last 2 months, and I use stats from both 1/2 and 2/4 combined. I think its been a little while since we played together and these stats are probably since I came back to poker on the 26th of December. Thats using HEM

thanks for all the responses guys. so I think I figured out the difference:

from the PT3 manual: Fold to 3bet: The percentage of times the player folded when facing a three bet (re‐raise) preflop . This includes all folds when facing a 3‐bet, regardless of any previous action the player has or hasn’t made.

I'm "pretty sure" HEM only counts times that you were the original raiser and get 3bet, because when you're the CCer and get squeezed, I don't remember seeing the "fold to 3bet" number change.

So PT3 must include: (1) the times you are cold caller and get squeezed, and (2) the times you limp (or call a limp) then get raised and 3bet. But I don't think these two things alone are enough to get me to 80%, so it probably includes (3) the times you are in the big (maybe even small?!?) blind (as the BB is technically a call, and that definition specifies "regardless of any previous action the player hasn’t made"). The latter would be completed ******ed, but whatever.

So I wonder if the 10% 3bet guys are all looking at 80% fold to 3bets across the board and that's why they go nuts. :-)

This is something I can neither confirm nor deny.

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dfly, the pt3 stat includes even times when the raise and 3bet came before your turn to act and you folded. the point is that it gives an accurate but generalized range of what you play vs a 3bet, while the HEM gives a range that is dependent on your initial raising range. You'll get used to either one over time and learn which players have tight calling ranges and you can 3bet them more, but I actually prefer PT3 because it is easier for me to determine ranges on the fly than trying to determine what 40% of his 24% CO raising range is.

Dfly -

I use both HEM and PT3. I have you at 90 fold to 3bet on PT3 and 70 on HEM. This was from 6 months ago.

Fixed it up for you, you were being too generous.

Yes. That was me... :-(

... 6 months ago. :-)

So apparently, you only need to add/subtract 20 to switch between the two? I guess this kind of makes sense since most people almost always fold to a 3bet when they are not part of the action.

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above is wrong. dfly pointed out to me that it didn't make sense so I looked up the stat in PT3 and found that it is actually a measure of how often you fold to a 3bet on any street. so kind of a worthless stat.

leading candidate for POTY so far.

I don't think so. There should be 4 separate stats on PT3 for fold to 3bet pre, flop, turn, river. Actually, there might be a fifth if there is an aggregated stat for all 4 streets (which is maybe what you're talking about). So you just have to use the right one.

I was just saying including people who haven't played yet in the stat seemed like it was including some noise in the stat, but the noise should be consistent (the 20 points I mentioned previoulsy), since everyone should be folding 97-98% to a 3 bet in front of them.

the stat they list as "Fold to 3Bet" is actually a stat that is considering what % of the time you fold to any 3Bet on any street. So I just changed to the pf only 3bet stat for that part of my HUD. it should make some difference and I'll be sure to note that.

the pf fold to 3bet stat is defined as this in PT3:

(count preflop 3bets that were folded to)/ (count the opportunities to fold to a 3bet preflop) *100

so in that case the stat is referring to the % of hands you play vs a 3bet (whether it is a CC of one, or calling after having your open 3bet) irregardless of position or previous action. This should give a tighter number than HEM where I believe they define that stat as the hands you play in response to a 3bet of your own open.

there is also a separate stat that I have dl'd but I haven't put in my HUD that is a % of times that you fold to a 3bet after you open. that is probably the same stat that HEM is using.

Never change Nick, never change.

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well done nicky