Loose game lotta action. Main villain is very loose. 5 limpets to me otb. I limp 79ss. Sb makes it $11. Bb and limpets all call. Me too. Pot= $88.
Flop is 8d10d2c. Check to co he bets $30. I smooth call. Folds to utg he snap shoves $55 more. Co folds. Hero?

you're getting the right price to call, so yes.

I'm not great with math... but i believe its $55 to win $148? or would it be $55 to win $178?

either way a call is correct in this spot.

edit: apparently i suck at math its $55 to win $233, CALL!

You are callin 55$ to win 233, thus you need 19% equity to break even
-> easy call.

Yes

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Ty. I knew it was the right play. But the table said it was horrible. And I said it was horrible if I folded. Just checking.

I would probably take advice from my dog before the rest of most standard low limit live tables, that being said, call is fine.

Don't tell them / argue with them that it was horrible if you folded. Tell them that 97 in that suit is your lucky/fave/etc. hand. Or that Jacks have been coming up on the turn all night long. Or some other bogus story that helps you look like a ******.

The call of $30 is questionable but the call of the shove is automatic.

truth

I also thought 4:1 was a good price here. Esp. Since I might pick up callers behind giving me an even better price. No?

Depends how you look at it. If you pick up a caller who is on the flush draw your outs are reduced from 8 to 6 so your equity drops from about 32% (2:1 dog) of $288 ($92) to 24% (3:1 dog) of $343 ($82).

In either case I think it's a clear call.

THIS! LMAO

FYI, I always get confused on 4:1 (never know if that means 25% or 20%), so I'm going to stick to percentages.

What's your plan if you get multiple callers for the turn if a blank comes? What if a diamond comes? What's the likelihood that CO will check in these circumstances? How much do you think you will be able to get out of CO or anybody else if your straight comes? How much do you plan on betting, if anything (on the turn or river) if your straight comes as a diamond?

Same question if it becomes heads up. Can you bluff CO if a diamond comes?

Bluffing on a diamond accomplishes what? I doubt 9-high beats utg (all-in).

You don't know UTG is shoving at the time you are deciding whether or not to call CO's bet. I was referring to heads up with CO (who OP did not give the stack size of).

I'll know if black 7 or j binks turn I'm good. And I'll know if any diamond hits and there is any significant action I can gtfo. Bad plan?
I didn't give stack size cause it wasn't relevant to my initial question. I will now say he covered me. So I could potentially get paid at least by him.

It's a bad plan if the only way you're going to get paid is if you bink on the turn. If you think you can get a free river/bluff a flush if it's heads up, it's not a bad plan. If it's likely there will be enough callers behind to give you proper pot odds for a turn and river, it's not a bad plan.

Stack size is relevant actually (well to the whole problem not to settling the BS with your table mates) and specific size not just "he covers you." What is your stack size? If you are deep enough to consider folding a missed turn that needs to be considered on the flop imo.

So depending on V2s interest in the pot, your decision could be different. Ie. what are the chances villain will shove a bricked turn and what odds will you be getting to call?

I started the hand with just over $300.

Well I was only talking about my outs. I still have playing outs as well that u could maybe bluff turn or river. Plus I act last on every street and can easil fold to heavy action if I miss.

The point is to have a plan going in. One of the biggest mistakes beginners make (I'm still a beginner in my mind and I still do this on occasion) is only thinking about the current move. Too many times we don't think about the turn action until the turn comes. The fact that you can easily fold to heavy action if you don't hit your big 6 outs is obvious. Everybody knows (which is why the $55 is an easy call) that if you are going to see 2 cards without paying another dime, everybody knows that calling the $30 is the right play even without you getting a value bet in if you do hit your OESD.

Let's say everybody else folds:

Yes, you "could maybe bluff turn or river" but are you planning to? Whether or not CO will fold to a bluff if the flush draw comes is important. If CO is likely to not give you proper odds on the turn to continue, you should fold on the flop.

Let's say at least one other person calls:

What's your plan if a diamond comes on the turn? Will the table most likely check to you or not? Will they be checking looking to check/raise or will they be checking because they are afraid somebody has the flush? If it can be either, how much are you willing to lose if you hit your straight with the diamonds out there?

All of these things should be processing in your mind before you call the $30.

I really thought that if I called quick I would get like a domino effect of callers. Thereby giving me good odds with position so I get to see how everyone else react to turn and then deciding how to play it.

FYI, a quick call is typically a tell of a drawing hand.

4:1 = 25%
5:1 - 20%

You sure?