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nut flush draw on turn with villain shoving all in nut flush draw on turn with villain shoving all in

10-26-2010 , 10:33 AM
1/2 NL at harrahs in nola. table is running pretty ABC

hero is UTG w/ As6c (650)

hero raises to 6$
MP calls (450)
BN calls (about 300+)

(21$ in pot) FLOP: 3s6s2s

hero bets 15
mp raises to 30
BN folds
hero calls

($51) Turn: 4s

Hero checks
villain bets 100
hero raises to 200
villain re raises all in ....
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10-26-2010 , 10:52 AM
The line you should be taking here depends on what type of player you are up against. What reads to you have on him/her?
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10-26-2010 , 11:16 AM
Is this a full 10 handed table? If so, why are we raising a junk hand in EP to a piddly amount which will guarantee multiple callers with us OOP for the rest of the hand? Preflop is horrible, imo.

I like the flop bet. Vulnerable made hand, let's just take down this pot now. Once MP raises I also like just calling; we're fairly deep here so I usually take a conservative route.

I lead out on the turn as pretty much every made but not great hand checks this four to a flush / straight turn back. As played, villain just overbet the turn (although not as much as you've stated as there is ~$81 in the pot), most likely putting you on the exact hand you have once you called the flop minraise. I'm probably looking to get to showdown cheaply here, but I think it's also villain dependent (where against some I think I would just fold).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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10-26-2010 , 11:25 AM
Edit: Whoops, misread the hand.

As mentioned, fold pre.

Are you really min c/r/folding the turn? If that was your plan then why not c/c and evaluate?
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10-26-2010 , 01:26 PM
First off, fold pre.

A6o UTG is a horrible hand.

As played, tough spot. Only hand that makes sense is something like K5s, Q5s, or perhaps something like 75s.

Usually at 1/2NL, made flushes either slow play flop or shove flop. So villian's flop min raise is really suspect.

His flop min raise makes me think villain is just trying to 'outplay' you.

Based on that (since you've given us zero reads to use in our evaluation) I would call.

Otherwise, like csk says, if you were planning on c/r/folding then you should have just c/c down to river.
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10-26-2010 , 02:19 PM
I think leading the turn is best. I don't want villain to check back with a set, two pair, or smaller flush (which is most of his range). I think leading about pot would be right on the turn.

If villain comes over the top of my turn bet, I won't be able to get away from my hand.


Preflop... we are building a pot out of position. Our hand doesn't play well multiway either. It's like a female reaching for a Starbuck's bottle... you know this won't end well and you'll never be the same !
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10-26-2010 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Propping Fool

like a female reaching for a Starbuck's bottle... you know this won't end well and you'll never be the same !
Dude, just tell her you're not into coffee enemas.

As played I call unless I have a read the villain is a nit.
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10-26-2010 , 03:01 PM
Tough to fold. Is MP a player who calls q5 soooooted? The minraise looks like that type of donk...
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10-26-2010 , 03:04 PM
Changed the title to be more accurately descriptive.
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10-26-2010 , 07:05 PM
sorry, but this is all pitiful.
Raising pre horrible
MR turn, horrible
As played , fold of course EZ
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10-26-2010 , 07:27 PM
Unless you have a typo in your text, you actually have the nut flush, not the not flush draw. You're putting your opponent on exactly the 5s which is why you are even considering folding. Are you that good of a hand reader? Is your opponent that tight that he can only make this play with the 5s? He can't have something like Ks 8s and can't believe you have the As? I don't know how to fold this. I've got the second nuts. If he's got the nuts, good for him.

All that said, I would NEVER raise UTG with A6o ... Hell, I wouldn't put the $2 in in this position.
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10-26-2010 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil9980
1/2 NL at harrahs in nola. table is running pretty ABC

hero is UTG w/ As6c (650)

hero raises to 6$
MP calls (450)
BN calls (about 300+)

(21$ in pot) FLOP: 3s6s2s

hero bets 15
mp raises to 30
BN folds
hero calls

($51) Turn: 4s

Hero checks
villain bets 100
hero raises to 200
villain re raises all in ....
What are you doing with 325bb stack UTG and A6
What that $6 raise suppose to accomplish? - Please elaborate your logic details so that us not so bright can learn new things

Che,
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10-27-2010 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
Unless you have a typo in your text, you actually have the nut flush, not the not flush draw. You're putting your opponent on exactly the 5s which is why you are even considering folding. Are you that good of a hand reader? Is your opponent that tight that he can only make this play with the 5s? He can't have something like Ks 8s and can't believe you have the As? I don't know how to fold this. I've got the second nuts. If he's got the nuts, good for him.

All that said, I would NEVER raise UTG with A6o ... Hell, I wouldn't put the $2 in in this position.
I read it 2 times and was going to say he already had it, I thought he was thinking of folding because he was afraid of the straight flush.

The raise on the turn was stupid, it just allows you to get pushed off the hand by a bluff, min raises suck. AS played you are calling another 200 yo win close to $700, if you want to gamble you can call but you are getting bad odds, but not terrible. I would call not happy about it, but I don't know how you are rolled. on the river.
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10-27-2010 , 05:11 AM
And people on here told me not to raise with 88 UTG, but yet there's someone with a $650 stack that raises to $6 UTG with A6off? Unbelievable.....Seriously man, just fold pre.
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10-27-2010 , 03:36 PM
yeah the title is incorrect first off. But, i dont know what i was doing raising to 6 much less even calling 2$ w/ A6 off. however there was a dealer change about to happen, the table had all been limping and folding to anything for the past 10 minutes.. i was getting ready to rack chips and head home. for whatever reason decided to play.
my read on villain is LAG but but still never really played garbage hands. i put him on K or Q high flush when the turn hit...even though i hand nut flush; i played hand all wrong and realized it as it was happening. thanks for the input etc
i could not and did not see this villain playing a 5 of spade and turning the straight flush! i put him on K high

i have one question for gobbledygeek what does "GcluelessNLnoobG" mean?

and propping fool thats the damn truth! lol
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10-27-2010 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil9980
i have one question for gobbledygeek what does "GcluelessNLnoobG" mean?
I refer to myself as a clueless No-Limit noob (new player) so take all my advice with a grain of salt (I don't post to offer advice; I post to get responses to my posts in order to help me learn).
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10-27-2010 , 09:36 PM
gotcha.. at first i thought you were referring to me.

i know i should have folded this hand pre flop... regardless of me sitting with 100 bb or 300+ bb. it was really ******ed of me to raise to a pitiful 6.00 even more unbelievable i played this hand and got stuck like an idiot.
live and learn... too bad i had to learn the hard way... cause its just like propping fool said, after a woman goes for the starbucks bottle; life will never be the same! LOL
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