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06-17-2014 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by luckduck53
Ok that's what I thought in the moment and I did jam.

Villain took about 15-20 seconds and called with 55.

Turn and river bricked and I just wanted to make sure others felt a jam was appropriate there.

Thanks guys.
On that board facing a raise, you are never gunna have your max outs though. And you also never have any fold equity. Maybe try stove against a stronger range and see what comes up?
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06-17-2014 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowball2
On that board facing a raise, you are never gunna have your max outs though. And you also never have any fold equity. Maybe try stove against a stronger range and see what comes up?
vs a very unreasonably nitty range of {98+sets} we have 40%, getting 1.5:1 on a jam. A more reasonable range of {JJ+, sets, 2p, OESFD+pair, straights} has us close to flipping. Add a few two Broadway FDs to the mix and we're ahead.
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06-17-2014 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by donbarzini
Is this the place for dumb questions?

AA UTG at 1/2...

I will limp/reraise on most tables. Is this standard?

I feel like a standard raise is going to get called and now I am playing opp. I know limp/reraise is pretty transparent but so is making a large raise utg.
I think going for a limp/reraise with a big hand like that at this level is missing out on a ton of value for the exact reason you stated: you're probably going to get called. And all of those hands are worse than yours which is exactly what you want. If you're beat post flop they will let you know. If you're getting so many calls when you raise with value hands that it's making it tough for you to play post flop then consider increasing your raise size some. Also, please invite me to that game.
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06-17-2014 , 11:47 PM
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1/3
UTG has 250. He limp calls often. Caucasian. 30's.
BB is Armenian. Has $500. Also limp calls often.
Hero in MP. I have $310. currently card dead. Probably viewed as weak-tight. Only been at table for two orbits.

UTG limps. I have AA and raise to 18. BB calls.

Flop is 792r. (~50)
BB chk. UTG bets $40. Hero calls. BB folds.

792Jr. (~130)
UTG bets $40. Hero calls.

792J3 (~210)
UTG shoves $152. Hero folds.

SPR of 6 vs unknown. Should hero play this any other way? Shove flop? Fold or shove turn? Call river?
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06-17-2014 , 11:51 PM
Raise flop to $90 and gii ott.
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06-18-2014 , 12:44 AM
call the river^^
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06-18-2014 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by PositiveEV
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1/3
UTG has 250. He limp calls often. Caucasian. 30's.
BB is Armenian. Has $500. Also limp calls often.
Hero in MP. I have $310. currently card dead. Probably viewed as weak-tight. Only been at table for two orbits.

UTG limps. I have AA and raise to 18. BB calls.

Flop is 792r. (~50)
BB chk. UTG bets $40. Hero calls. BB folds.

792Jr. (~130)
UTG bets $40. Hero calls.

792J3 (~210)
UTG shoves $152. Hero folds.

SPR of 6 vs unknown. Should hero play this any other way? Shove flop? Fold or shove turn? Call river?
Had to laugh a little at "currently card dead" and "only been at table for two orbits".

I would have raised to $25 preflop. It's not *that* out-of-line and we'd like to target UTG's $250 stack (he limp/calls often and we'd love to get in 10% of stacks preflop so we can stack off easily postflop). We'd also love to get this HU rather than 3 (or more) way.

Kinda in a weirdish spot now. Smallish SPRs and yet in 3way pot where we're not super pumped about stacking off (we'd be a lot more pumped if we simply made it a lot more preflop). I also just call the flop and see what happens (especially wanting to know if the deeper BB comes along).

Gross turn card. It completes one of the only draws, is an over to the flop, and yet the guy is still betting. We're getting great odds so I could see us calling, but we'll have < PSB left for the river.

I found postflop difficult in this hand (and yet I could see me playing exactly the way you did). I think it's easier to play if we simply raised more preflop.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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06-18-2014 , 12:29 PM
Think something like QQ/KK/unlikely other AA is a big portion of V's range with reads given. I'd discount sets somewhat considering V blasts flop pretty hard. I'm calling and am fairly happy about it, but in-game live reads would help a lot. Sucks if he has JJ and smashed the turn.

edit: also doubt V is blasting flop with T8 with reads given.
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06-19-2014 , 05:59 PM
Just wondering about the size of my raise here on the flop:

Hero ($415) has 55 OTB.

Villain 1 ($300ish) raises to $17 in MP. Hero calls. V2 (covers) limp calls.

Flop T 5h 2h. Forget what suit the 10 was.

V2 leads for $55. V1 calls. I raise to $155. I have about $240 behind.

I think it's probably too small of a raise. Thoughts?
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06-19-2014 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly
Just wondering about the size of my raise here on the flop:

Hero ($415) has 55 OTB.

Villain 1 ($300ish) raises to $17 in MP. Hero calls. V2 (covers) limp calls.

Flop T 5h 2h. Forget what suit the 10 was.

V2 leads for $55. V1 calls. I raise to $155. I have about $240 behind.

I think it's probably too small of a raise. Thoughts?
Kinda awkward stacks. I typically would like to offer poor 2:1 odds for those chasing flush draws, but that would mean a raise to $270, which would simply leave too little behind on the turn (a lol $128 into a $645 pot against the deep guy). Our raise did set us up for a ~PSB shove for the turn, but it also offered over 3:1 odds in a pot where we probably feel committed, which just seems a bit too good to offer. I probably shove (especially considering that any raise above $150 might as well be a shove against the shorterish villain) although that does seem a little too much lol-old-man-protecting-his-hand (although at the same time it could look an awful lot like overcards + flushdraw, which I could easily play the same way).

ETA: I suppose we could also risk flatting in position and doing this thing on the turn, but we certainly risk lots of scare cards peeling off.

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06-19-2014 , 08:35 PM
I prefer raising flop to turn because it looks like NFD+overs, and also b/c of bad cards that can come.

sizing looks fine vs this pot sized cbet, which stands to be an overpair way more often than a FD.
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06-19-2014 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly
Just wondering about the size of my raise here on the flop:

Hero ($415) has 55 OTB.

Villain 1 ($300ish) raises to $17 in MP. Hero calls. V2 (covers) limp calls.

Flop T 5h 2h. Forget what suit the 10 was.

V2 leads for $55. V1 calls. I raise to $155. I have about $240 behind.

I think it's probably too small of a raise. Thoughts?
It's fine. I mean, you crush their made range and should be basically okay getting stacks in over three streets on any runout that isn't running hearts (so 96% of boards).

If you make it $200 and get one caller, you will have pot odds to GII on hearts assuming V has 100% flushes, but that's never gonna be the case so it doesn't matter much.

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06-20-2014 , 07:17 AM
I prefer $175 to make it easier to gii on the turn.
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06-21-2014 , 06:04 AM
1/3nl. 600 or 700 eff. 15 raise preflop, I call from the bb with JTo because there are some really deep stacks. Villain who called (not the PFR) is straightforward and careful ABC.

4 to flop

Flop ($60) Q98r (1 club)

I check, it checks through

Turn ($60) Q98c 6c

No one can free roll me because one of my cards is a club

I bet 45, opponent who covers me raises to 145, rest fold. He has a set of 6s 90% or more here; slow played straights the rest of the time, and very rarely a flush draw semibluff. I haven't seen him do it but I'd give him credit to try it every once in a while for 100.

I have about 600 left behind, start moving stacks around, thinking of the price I'm giving him, get frustrated by the awkward stack size, and just shove the extra 450 in. He folds. He would've been calling 450 into a 800 pot. This is all guesstimated because it was late and I was tired/lazy.

I was planning on leaving soon and did not want to deal with the stress of seeing the board pair so I just bet it huge to price him out. He's not the sort to call here with bad odds though, and I'm not the sort to do this with a flush draw, and he basically knows this and/or wouldn't have the cohones to put it all on the line even if he wanted to level himself.

What's the optimal sizing here? If this line is correct, what would our bet sizing be with 800 or 1k+ behind?
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06-21-2014 , 06:48 AM
3 bet to $325.

Ship most rivers
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06-21-2014 , 06:55 AM
$220, leaving a PSB behind. Chf paired rivers, check to induce a jam on clubs, jam all other rivers yourself.
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06-21-2014 , 06:59 AM
Well we can't make it $220 because he raised us $100 on top, and so we have to make it at least $245. But I really think that's leaving too much value on the table.

And when we get an ugly river card (like a J or a T or a club) it's harder to get a good zied be out of him even when we are winning. So, we should make the turn bet bigger for value, and to give him better odds to call off on the river.

I'd much rather have him call off $275 (or $375 depending on stacks) into $710 than $355 into $550. Much more paletable.
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06-21-2014 , 07:24 AM
Min-raising him gives him 4.4:1 on a call which is correct for him to boat up so I don't like that. (He needs 3.8 yeah? 38 cards that don't help him and 10 cards that do.) Betting to 325 gives him a more enticing but incorrect 3:1 odds.

Very interesting; I had no idea that raising just 2.3x his bet would give him such had odds. I guess it's because he pretty much potted it on the turn. I have very little experience in spots like these.
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06-21-2014 , 07:28 AM
^I was thinking about minimizing our exposure to pair rivers more than anything, since it should be very difficult to get him to call off his likely set getting worse than 4:1. Given that we can't really induce a mistaken call, we can optimize our own play by leaving ourselves an escape hatch on boat rivers.

Of course, if we can get him to call incorrectly, we should do that.

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06-21-2014 , 03:01 PM
Cleveland Shoe, Friday night drunk fest. Villain is bald guy in muscle shirt, made a $20 PFR when he first sat down, said "not much fight in this table, huh?" when everyone folded. Playing around 50/30.

In this hand, raises to $15, I call on the button with 88. Flop is Kj8, 2 spades. Villain bets $25, I make it $75. Villain takes a few seconds and calls. He would be going broke w top pair/overpair here, so his range now is gutshots, AJ/QJ/JT. I think spades call instantly, so I'm discounting those.

Turn bricks a red two. Pot around 180, I have 155 back. What's my bet size? (ps: there is some non-zero chance villain would call all in with a gutshot, I saw his friend do just that earlier at the table).
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06-21-2014 , 03:39 PM
You shove and challenge his machoness. Or bet $60 and hope he feels pot stuck on river when you shove
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06-21-2014 , 03:45 PM
Either shove or make a bet of $80 leaving lol $70 behind if you think he will call that instead.

15% chance of calling $155 with 10% equity <<< 90% chance of calling $80 with 10% equity and 0 IO.
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06-23-2014 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dunderstron!
1/3nl. 600 or 700 eff. 15 raise preflop, I call from the bb with JTo because there are some really deep stacks. Villain who called (not the PFR) is straightforward and careful ABC.

4 to flop

Flop ($60) Q98r (1 club)

I check, it checks through

Turn ($60) Q98c 6c

No one can free roll me because one of my cards is a club

I bet 45, opponent who covers me raises to 145, rest fold. He has a set of 6s 90% or more here; slow played straights the rest of the time, and very rarely a flush draw semibluff. I haven't seen him do it but I'd give him credit to try it every once in a while for 100.

I have about 600 left behind, start moving stacks around, thinking of the price I'm giving him, get frustrated by the awkward stack size, and just shove the extra 450 in. He folds. He would've been calling 450 into a 800 pot. This is all guesstimated because it was late and I was tired/lazy.

I was planning on leaving soon and did not want to deal with the stress of seeing the board pair so I just bet it huge to price him out. He's not the sort to call here with bad odds though, and I'm not the sort to do this with a flush draw, and he basically knows this and/or wouldn't have the cohones to put it all on the line even if he wanted to level himself.

What's the optimal sizing here? If this line is correct, what would our bet sizing be with 800 or 1k+ behind?
I guess closing the action 4ways isn't horrible preflop where we can just ~nutmine, but it also depends on how horrible the villains are postflop.

I'm betting the flop here 100% of the time, PSBing it. Let's build that pot ASAP.

As played, I PSB the turn too. I know this is totally exploitable to those who are capable of picking up on these things, but when I have nuttish hands I tend to lean towards big PSBs and when I have small hands I lean towards small 1/2 PSBs.

I'm actually fine with the shove. As you say, stacks are awkward and I think we have to re-raise now since there's a crapload of scare cards. Also, a turn raise is like pretty nuttish hands for most people, so good luck for him finding a fold.

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06-23-2014 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mtagliaf
Cleveland Shoe, Friday night drunk fest. Villain is bald guy in muscle shirt, made a $20 PFR when he first sat down, said "not much fight in this table, huh?" when everyone folded. Playing around 50/30.

In this hand, raises to $15, I call on the button with 88. Flop is Kj8, 2 spades. Villain bets $25, I make it $75. Villain takes a few seconds and calls. He would be going broke w top pair/overpair here, so his range now is gutshots, AJ/QJ/JT. I think spades call instantly, so I'm discounting those.

Turn bricks a red two. Pot around 180, I have 155 back. What's my bet size? (ps: there is some non-zero chance villain would call all in with a gutshot, I saw his friend do just that earlier at the table).
I'm shoving with << PSB left.
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06-25-2014 , 11:15 AM
2/2 NL, straddled pot. Hero is UTG with $200 or more. V (SB) is playing around $100 effective to start the hand. Table is pretty loose, and SB looks pretty tame by comparison in a short sample of watching him.

Hero is dealt AsJs UTG, raises to $15. Only V calls from SB.

Flop : Kh Ts 8d.

SB checks. Hero?

Not an amazing board to C-bet vs a slightly tight player, but not disastrous either. Do we take one off here?
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