Lol sorry didnt even see the post above mine. I was talking about a hand i just had. It was my second hand in so no reads. $200 stack in 1/3 nl. Old man who had like $400 in front. I had queens. He limped, i raised, he 3bet, i 4bet, he shoved. I shouldve known better since he shoved after i 4bet but i dont run into a lot of limp 3 bettors and when i do they usually have AKs or 10 10 type hands.

Game is 1-3 NLHE.

Hero $315, has not played many pots, due to the nature of the table. Quite loose overall, plenty of action but most pots go to showdown. I won a nice pot early on with AA, haven't shown down a single other hand yet, but have lost a few dollars with mostly setmining/losing smallish amounts in multi-way pots.

BB is Villain 1, $200, very sticky, POW, doesn't fold much. I'm not positive, but I think I saw him fold preflop 4 times total when he could limp or call only 1 raise, in about 5 orbits. Haven't seen him get aggressive, mostly likes to check/call, and often with very little. My plan has been to play pots with him in position and value-town him as much as possible. This hasn't really worked out so well as yet, as I haven't had great hands and with him, you have to plan to go to showdown, so bluffing is mostly out of the question.

Villain 2, $400, is UTG, also quite suspicious of any bets, although he can find a fold button.

UTG limps, fold, I raise to $17 with QQ, BB calls, UTG calls.

Pot is about $50
Flop AJ6

Both check, I bet $25 (mistake? I think checking here against these particular villains may be better IDK?) BB calls, villain 2 instamucks.

Pot $100
Turn: 3

Villain donks $30.

Hero???

Thoughts on both flop and turn are appreciated.

If there wasn't a spade draw out there I think the check is fine.
But since there is, it widens his calling range that we can get value from, so I think that I would bet. On the same token, I would call the turn donk and it's super small and he can very reasonably be donking with JX KT or a few other combos, as well as JxXx. If he puts in a big bet on the river, I'm likely folding, but calling less than a .5psb I think.

I'd raise more preflop to $20. Our target is rarely/never folding (right?) so let's just setup a brain dead SPR postflop where we can stackoff if we flop an overpair.

I'd probably just check back the flop. We don't want to play for stacks on this board, and a bet can quickly build a pot to get us on that road. We can get paid off by worse hands on this drawy board, and we are 3way, so not exactly WA/WB, but still fairly close. I'd rather just check back, especially against straightforward non-bluffy opponents, and see what happens on the turn.

When a passive calling station donks out, do we really expect him to be doing this with a worse hand (like a draw)? I don't. I just fold the turn and move on. I mean, we raised the flop, repped an A on a A high flop, and yet this guy doesn't seem to concerned about that and donks into us on the turn; we think we're good here?

Gnotsurewhat"POW"standsforG

It normally stands for Pay Off Wizard.
(Sometimes a nicer name for station.)

Hero $300, just tripled with AA, has 33, $5 on BTN hero limps $5 UTG, raise to $15 in MP, 3 callers to hero, hero calls

Flop: $60 Q53r

Hero Bet $25
V1 calls (leaving about $125 behind)
V2 calls (leaving about $150 behind)

Turn: $135 9h putting flush draw out

Hero bets $150

whats your lead:check/call % looking like in this spot 4 way 70:30?

turn bet is way too big. you just sextupled your flop bet. you are screaming strength. you might get called, but i would probably bet $75 on the turn, leading to an easy river ship.

you could have just bet $50 on the flop into the $60 pot, leaving $100 behind ... if you are called in two spots on the flop, pot is $210ish with $100 behind. MUCH EASIER for villains to stack off in this situation.

$35-$40 on the flop.
$90 on the turn.
V1 will be all in regardless, and V2 should either ship or fold him self.
And if he doesn't, then you will just have a lol $30 to bet on the river. And there isn't really any river card that we don't like.

Don't forget, part of set mining that is pretty crucial, we need to get paid when we hit a set or we are doing something wrong. If everyone folds, we have not executed our plan effectively.

I'd go like $30, 55, ship for V2's remaining $90. Looks non-threatening all around, and gets both villains to put stacks in.

2/5: Hero is UTG w/A7 and limps (yuck, I know). Called in 3 other places including SB and BB.

Flop(20): A82
Check, check, Hero bets 15, fold, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn(65): 6
Checks through.

Do we prefer a bet here on the turn? I was thinking one of them had an A that I was behind and that I was probably value-owning myself.

I don't mind the check through. We're behind more aces than we're ahead of. (then again, I'm a pot control monkey).

Just know that sometimes villain will spike something to catch you (hearts, gutshot, 2 pair, whatev), and you'll be irritated - doesn't mean you should have bet the turn though.

i prefer a bet vs some worse Ax, 8x and draws. A good Ace should be leading flop imo.

Bet/bet/bet; villain is capped at A9 after checking and barring reads he won't fold a worse A.

Hell I'm happy overbet shipping river for thin value, trip A is *not* folding.

1/3 NL

UTG is unknown. He's like 30ish and I've never played with him. Hasn't been at the table long and his short beginning stack is already down to just $85 after limp/calling and folding flops.

UTG+1 has raised a lot in position, but less OOP.

I'm currently playing in the best game in the history of forever. My stack is $300 cuz I can't get nothing going.

UTG limps, UTG+1 raises to $15, I'm UTG+2 and call with KQs. I'm not exactly in love with this spot because I can be easily dominated by UTG+1 / little implied odds against him, but the table rarely 3bets and I assume I'm going to see a very multiway pot with several payoff wizards, albeit OOP.

4 others call behind me.

It comes around to UTG who limped, and with $90ish already in the pot, he shoves in his remaining $85. UTG+1 (the original raiser) hems and haws and folds.

What's my play?



GquickcheckupG

Only need to win about 30% of the time for this to be profitable. If all V's fold behind I would have to assume this play would be profitable assuming V1 is not super nitty pre. Also assuming the 4 that called behind wont call with aq+. You said this is the best table you've been at in a long time, so maybe they might call if you 3-bet? With all this being said at face value i think this move is +ev but since the table is so great my nitty self probably folds and waits for a better spot.

This quote underrated imo

I think a shove here against this short of a stack is perfectly fine. Your flipping against all pocket pairs from JJ and smaller (and lots of dead money in the pot already), or he can spazz with like A-10/A9 suited because he sees the dead money in the pot and he is shortstacked.

So no doubt your doing ok against shorties range, i have seen som ridicilous wide shoves from shorties who plays around 30 BB stack. If someone should have slowplayed KK or AA here good bless them

Even though the table is great, I don't think anyone is going to call a $300 shove lightly; I mean, even AK probably thinks hard, AQ/AJ probably sigh fold. JJ/etc. sigh calls, but I'm doing fine against those.

Yeah, thats pretty sick- and just unlucky that you ran into the very top of his range.

Question about a hand I had recently-

1/3 NL

Hero ($350 in HJ): Mid 20s very young looking Asian. Plays fairly tight, but will open limp at a loose-passive or spewy table (but never at an aggressive table). Has been running okay except against V2. Tries to play TAG but fairly new to real poker (only a couple of months of LLSNL).

V1 ($200 UTG): Older Asian guy who just sat down at the table. Reg in CO tells me V1 gives great action and so I infer that V1's a GAMBOL type.

V2 ($400 in MP): Young woman; probably mid-20s. Super loose; would consider her spewy if she actually lost a pot all night. Would cold-call a 4-bet with 5 10 offsuit and win just about every time by sucking out (). Stacked me earlier for like $450 when she raised to about $17 pre-flop, I 3-bet AKo to like $55, she called. Flop came out A J 7r, she bet small, I raised large (like $100+), she called. Turn came out; she donked like $15, I shoved, she tank-called and turned over A6o. Then she spikes a 6 on the river. FML lol. Extreme luckbox but often times would raise large and scare people out of pots. Sometimes when called on her insane raises ($100+), she turns over complete misses (like 4 8o on a K T 7 monotone board).

V3 ($400 on BTN): Older white reg. Wears cowboy hat (lol) and spewy but semi-competent. Often sees a button pre-flop raise as a "position bet" and has shown absolute garbage after "position betting" himself. Not super loose, but definitely not tight by any means.

Preflop:

Hero looks down at AKo in CO. V1 open limps. V2 raises to $13. Hero raises to $35. Calls all around.

Flop ($140):

T J Q, 2 clubs.

V1 checks, V2 checks. I c-bet for $100 (neither my A nor K are clubs). Calls all around.

Turn ($540):

T J Q T, 2 clubs

V1 goes all in for about $65, V2 calls. Hero ???

^^^^

Preflop I either flat or 3bet way more. Even though V2 is most likely opening light, I don't think there is anything too wrong with just seeing a cheapish flop in position against her with largish stacks behind, with the only drawback to this plan is that it could go multiway. I've recently realized that if I'm going to 3bet preflop, then I need to be putting in 1/6 effective stacks in order to feel comfortable stacking off postflop with TP type hands, otherwise I believe we are simply giving far too good of implied odds, and this ain't a good thing, especially when a 3bet quickly gets us on our way to playing for stacks. She's super loose and a donkey, and I'd rather isolate her, so I'd lean to putting in 1/6 of my stack and 3bet to $60ish.

This flop should have smashed at least one and possibly more villains. Two pairs, pair + draw, draw, maybe even sets, etc. There is no reason to bet anything other than a full PSB because there'll most likely be at least one villain who ain't going anywhere on this flop (as well, people who have completely missed this flop, such as 77, are folding to any size bet). I pot the flop in order to setup a shove on any turn card.

On the turn, even though 3 opponents called the flop bet and the board did pair (which could possibly kill our hand), and someone donked small and got a call, the fact is that we have << 1/2 PSB left with the nut straight. We can never fold here. Insta-ship and live with results, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Ship it.

With a lady playing as many hands as she is, there's a lot more trips, two pair, one pair, pair+straight, pair+flush, gutshot straight draws, in her range than there are full houses.

I would ship here 100% of the time. Would also 3bet bigger.

Thanks for the great advice. Would it be good to flat since almost everyone at the table's calling anytime she raises since they want to win her stack? I think 3-bet more is definitely solid advice given the circumstances but I'm not sure what a good rule of thumb is on sizing 3-bets since I don't make a ton of them (usually AKo+/JJ+ unless the table's extremely loose like this one was where I 3bet KQs+/1010+). $60 sounds good in this situation though and I imagine it'd be much more likely to get me iso'd against her.

At a normal table will a full $140 PSB get enough action or will it cause folds all around? I guess considering the villains in this hand, I should've known that I'd get called by quite a few of them (never expected ALL of them though wow). I had the nut straight so I considered at least one of them had nut flush/straight draw (maybe even free-rolling me with AKc?) or two pair hands. Maybe pair+draw. I didn't even think about sets since I thought I'd be 3bet pre if someone had JJ/QQ although I guess I didn't consider 1010.

On the turn, I thought V1 might have filled up. V2 called though and considering her complete lack of initiative, I shoved hoping to win her stack on a light call (we still had like $200+ behind). Considering the board, the range of hands that each villain could show up with is pretty wide still right? Would stacking off be a mistake if we were even deeper considering how loose and gambol-y my opponents are? Two pair, a loose 10, pair+draw, nut flush/sf draws can't be discounted right?

Thanks. Glad you guys are bringing me down to earth. Getting stacked over and over again made me question my decisions. It wasn't a hard decision to shove on my part at the time, but losing a hand always makes me question if I could have played it better.