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06-06-2013 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Hell2Heaven
But if we feel we can make more money off of weaker hands calling, because we DID NOT raise, why should we not keep taking this underepped hand approach if A3-A7 is calling us when we have TPGK?

In my opinion, loose passive 1/2 games, a Raise and a c-bet on a A high board is never getting called light
Dude no. Raise all of those hands. I will randomly open limp ATs sometimes but it's in specific spots.

Super no to people not stacking off light on A high boards.

Plus it doesn't matter, you are effectively trapping with TPGK in multiway pots. You are giving villains all of the opportunity to realize their equity against you.
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06-21-2013 , 12:02 PM
C/P'ing my question ITT.

Live 1-2-3 game.

Scenario 1)
Nit opens to 5bb from MP1. You're fairly his range is ATs+,AJ+,TT+,TJs+,KJs+ (top 8%).

It's folded to you OTB. Blinds are random mediocre players who will call too light and play face-up. They have 45 & 60 BB stacks and know that the nit's raise is tight.

What range do you continue with:
1) 50bb deep?
2) 100bb deep?
3) 150 bb deep?

Scenario 2)
Fish(60bb) limps EP3. OK reg raises to 5bb from HJ(MP2). (You're guessing ~top 12% for his range). You have a TAGish image vs the reg and a fairly straightforward history. Fish will call after limping 90% of the time. Folded around to your button.

What range do you continue with:
1) 75bb deep?
2) 100bb deep?
3) 150 bb deep?
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06-23-2013 , 06:23 PM
This seems pretty standard stackoff for me, but just wanted to get insight:

Villain 1 is a complete and utter LAG; raising any two suited cards. Just trying to build pots for when he hits. Bluffing regularly.

Villain 2 is a reg who seems kind of weak, kind of tight. Misses value with some hands in my opinion.

Hero is a general $1/$2 player who is playing $2/$5 because the table is juicy on a Saturday night and because we want to take some shots.

Villain 1 raises to $20 in MP. Villain 2 3-bets to $55 OTB. Hero has AKo in the SB ... I mull folding, calling and 4-betting. I think I'm flipping with V2 and V1 could show up with ATC.

I elect to call. If I 4-bet to $175ish, I think V1 folds and V2 probably shoves, which wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but I want V1 involved.

Anyway, flop is A33. Checks around. Turn is a 2. I bet $75. V1 calls. V2 folds. River 8. No flush. I bet $125. He raises to $400.

Snap calling, here, right? (Hero had $401 so not like a reshove is worth crap).
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06-23-2013 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly
This seems pretty standard stackoff for me, but just wanted to get insight:

Villain 1 is a complete and utter LAG; raising any two suited cards. Just trying to build pots for when he hits. Bluffing regularly.

Villain 2 is a reg who seems kind of weak, kind of tight. Misses value with some hands in my opinion.

Hero is a general $1/$2 player who is playing $2/$5 because the table is juicy on a Saturday night and because we want to take some shots.

Villain 1 raises to $20 in MP. Villain 2 3-bets to $55 OTB. Hero has AKo in the SB ... I mull folding, calling and 4-betting. I think I'm flipping with V2 and V1 could show up with ATC.

I elect to call. If I 4-bet to $175ish, I think V1 folds and V2 probably shoves, which wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but I want V1 involved.

Anyway, flop is A33. Checks around. Turn is a 2. I bet $75. V1 calls. V2 folds. River 8. No flush. I bet $125. He raises to $400.

Snap calling, here, right? (Hero had $401 so not like a reshove is worth crap).
The following might be a bit bias because I know the results from reading your thread. Stack sizes would have been great to have. If you are taking a shot at a higher level it is generally best to play a bit more snug and avoid flipping/high variance plays. I am not sure the dynamics of your table ie. frequency of 3bets but a tight player at 2/5 will only three bet QQ/AK+ at the tables I play. I am probably folding here since pf you are out of position, shot taking, and think we are flipping with V2. Flop you are obviously way ahead or behind but nothing wrong with betting for value, might get called by AQ and I never like to give free cards. Once he raises on the river your AK is only a bluff catcher. I would probably base my call on whether V1 is capable of raising river on a bluff. I find 98% of LLSN players who raise on the river always have it.

IMO
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06-23-2013 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by serio562
The following might be a bit bias because I know the results from reading your thread. Stack sizes would have been great to have. If you are taking a shot at a higher level it is generally best to play a bit more snug and avoid flipping/high variance plays. I am not sure the dynamics of your table ie. frequency of 3bets but a tight player at 2/5 will only three bet QQ/AK+ at the tables I play. I am probably folding here since pf you are out of position, shot taking, and think we are flipping with V2. Flop you are obviously way ahead or behind but nothing wrong with betting for value, might get called by AQ and I never like to give free cards. Once he raises on the river your AK is only a bluff catcher. I would probably base my call on whether V1 is capable of raising river on a bluff. I find 98% of LLSN players who raise on the river always have it.

IMO
Thanks. Eff stacks were $500. I felt like button was ISOing the guy a little wider than normal because of his raise tendencies. This guy was definitely capable of bluffing. He'd shown down several river bluffs.
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06-25-2013 , 05:36 PM
I have pocket 6s in the big blind. I call a button raise to 30 and so do 4 other people. Flop is 763 two hearts. I check, one guy bets 100 with 125 behind, two folds, another guy calls 100 out of 300, button makes it 200 leaving 250 behind, I go all in and everyone folds.

Is this a sign that my image is super detrimentally nitty or that my table is super soft?
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06-25-2013 , 06:07 PM
Table is super soft.
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06-25-2013 , 07:49 PM
How much was your all in? While this might sound trivial just sliding three stacks in might of had a different effect (while it is effectively the same thing)

All in is like "ha caught you, eff y'all" and also players get super scared of being stacked.

I know this sounds ******ed, but yea.
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06-25-2013 , 07:52 PM
I silently threw in 5 white chips, which was enough to cover everyone
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06-25-2013 , 07:54 PM
Haha yea that's pretty terrifying. Though your game does sound awesome.

Being viewed as nitty isn't necessarily a bad thing btw. I was incessantly teased for not playing any hands last night, won 3 huge pots, none went to showdown, and I was bluffing in all three. In one a guy folded AA on JT3
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06-25-2013 , 07:58 PM
Agreed about having a nitty image being profitable too. I've pretty much built my game around it. I giggle inside every time I cbet a A82 board and a reg c/fs an A face up.

Just sucks not getting max value on my monsters
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06-26-2013 , 01:24 PM
2/5 - villain is white mid 40's, seems laggier than most in my hour spent at table, particularly preflop. for example he raised a straddle to $50, everyone folded and he tabled something like 36o. I haven't seen anything peculiar from him postflop yet. he apparently seems to think I am just running the table over and makes comments to guy beside him about me when I've really just played my usual TAG game and ran hot up to this hand.

I am utg+1 ($500) with AK vs a $10 btn straddle, sb calls, bb calls, I make it $60, villain (covers me) on btn calls, rest fold.

flop 9109

standard flop to cbet, I make it $75, villain snap calls

turn 5

pretty confident I'm ahead after he snaps flop & turn bricks, so I barrel $125, villain snap calls again

river 6

I decide to check to induce, calling any bet. He insta shoves, I call

standard line? thanks....
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06-26-2013 , 01:32 PM
He appears very very polarized to 9x and boats. If your read is dead on then call away

Wish the river was an offsuit Deuce though... 78 got there
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06-26-2013 , 01:34 PM
$2/5

I am UTG+2, 1 limp, I have AJo, I bump it to $25, villain who just lost a pot is sitting with $100 effective shoves for his last $100. He has been playing straightforward and doesn't seem like its a tilt shove. This a call off for $75 more?
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06-26-2013 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by timmay28
2/5 - villain is white mid 40's, seems laggier than most in my hour spent at table, particularly preflop. for example he raised a straddle to $50, everyone folded and he tabled something like 36o. I haven't seen anything peculiar from him postflop yet. he apparently seems to think I am just running the table over and makes comments to guy beside him about me when I've really just played my usual TAG game and ran hot up to this hand.

I am utg+1 ($500) with AK vs a $10 btn straddle, sb calls, bb calls, I make it $60, villain (covers me) on btn calls, rest fold.

flop 9109

standard flop to cbet, I make it $75, villain snap calls

turn 5

pretty confident I'm ahead after he snaps flop & turn bricks, so I barrel $125, villain snap calls again

river 6

I decide to check to induce, calling any bet. He insta shoves, I call

standard line? thanks....
I ch/f this flop like 100% versus the player described without a spade in your hand.

I think this is pretty spewy without a very good read which you did not give.
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06-26-2013 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool
$2/5

I am UTG+2, 1 limp, I have AJo, I bump it to $25, villain who just lost a pot is sitting with $100 effective shoves for his last $100. He has been playing straightforward and doesn't seem like its a tilt shove. This a call off for $75 more?
You are almost getting 2:1 so range him. Generally speaking I'm calling with like TT+/AK 100% but I like to be getting 3:1 here with AQ and 4:1 with AJ
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06-26-2013 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
I ch/f this flop like 100% versus the player described without a spade in your hand.
I agree with this as well... He's going to give us so many problems on this board, whether or not he has anything at all. trips, 2 pair, gutter balls, overs, "fps", is going to give us trouble.

As played, based on what he's repping, AA is the same hand strength as AK in this spot.
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06-26-2013 , 01:50 PM
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$2/5

I am UTG+2, 1 limp, I have AJo, I bump it to $25, villain who just lost a pot is sitting with $100 effective shoves for his last $100. He has been playing straightforward and doesn't seem like its a tilt shove. This a call off for $75 more?
Really close to the point that I don't think it matters much either way. By my math you need about 36% equity to break even on a call (75 to win ~130):
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 37.242% 35.10% 02.14% 562628940 34258920.00 { AJo }
Hand 1: 62.758% 60.62% 02.14% 971569764 34258920.00 { 88+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+, KQo }

That range is probably a little on the loose side so I might err toward a fold here. It's pretty whatever though.
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06-26-2013 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
You are almost getting 2:1 so range him. Generally speaking I'm calling with like TT+/AK 100% but I like to be getting 3:1 here with AQ and 4:1 with AJ
Range constructed is 88+ AJ+ KQ+. Pretty thin, but it looks to be a call.
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06-26-2013 , 01:58 PM
Remove KQ imo and I'd prefer my calls to be +EV not break even. Like you will never actualize a tiny +EV call in live NLHE so it is better to just dodge the variance imo.
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06-26-2013 , 02:01 PM
Where the heck can I download pokerstove?

BTW that range doesnt seem to be that loose IMO he is down to 20bb and just lost a hand. I think it's entirely accurate. He bet the exact max amount that I was willing to call, a penny more and I am probably folding, thought it was razor thin in game.
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07-04-2013 , 11:54 AM
New to table; no reads on villain. Some middle age guy w/ big headphones and shades. 100bb stacks.

1/2/3 blinds.

Villain open limps from EP3. Folded around.
I'm OTB with 64 and call. SB calls, BB checks.

Flop ($7) AK5

Blinds check, villain pots $10 (standard bet in limped pots is pot or slight OB)
Unless villain limped AK/AA/KK, the only hands that I'm really scared of are 55 and A5. I figure draws, raggy aces and air make up a lot of villains range. For the same reasons I'm not worried about the blinds.
I raise to $40. Blinds fold, villain calls.

Turn ($87) some offsuit blank, I forget what the card was.
Villain checks, I bet $85. Villain calls.

River ($257) T
Villain checks. I.....?
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07-04-2013 , 12:49 PM
Played a tad too strong imo... Now u hve to shove and pray v knows how to fold...
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07-09-2013 , 10:33 PM
Here is a hand I think I played poorly that I'd like feedback on. Ok, I know I played it poorly, but the question is how bad.

Hero has AA, UTG, raises to 10, gets 3 calls. Main V effective stacks are 180.

Flop K T 6 r. (Pot 40) Hero bets 20, V raises to 40, folds to hero, hero flats.

How bad is this play here with only 120 behind? I should obviously be shoving here, right?

My read on V is that he is an average player and has a fairly loose calling range pre. Sets comprise small parts of his range.


Same V, an hour later. Hero has AKs, opens to 10 OTB, V flats, BB shoves for 35. This V is sticky, so I pop it to 80 to try and fold him(eff stacks 320). I read him for a medium pair here immediately as he was deciding to call. After about 2 minutes he calls with 99, flop was 9 5 3 all spades, he shoved and I folded.

I feel like that raise was extremely strong as that is the absolute weakest hand I will make that move with. Am I totally wrong here or is this simply variance?

Last edited by Starpoker; 07-09-2013 at 10:38 PM.
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07-11-2013 , 12:18 PM
1/2, utg straddles for 5. V1 limps, V2 in CO, who is on his first orbit at table and has bought in full raises to 20. Hero in SB with AKo (and covers both Vs) 3b to 60. While folding, V1 exposes KJo. V2 shoves. EZ fold?
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