Hey, I see what you mean. The "correct" play in general is to raise 3 bb for your whole range. That's why I did that. Limping is a losing strategy. In the specific instance I was talking about, the "correct" strategy didn't work.
I saw a maniac rebuying time after time and playing any crap all in preflop, then whien I finally got my KK it was one of the few hands this person folded (his vpip was over 50%, many of them all-in preflop). So for that specific instance I didn't get paid off even though everyone was getting paid off, he was spewing chips and constantly rebuying. Plus, basically I think essentialy what would have happened is that his constant all-ins make the call a +EV for everyone else after him with good but not super premium hands, so this means it is quite likely several people would have called after this person would have gone all-in, since even if they observe that I am playing ultratight, still they get good odds to call, due to the fact that he is going all-in with any two.

Of course we all know what would have happened, I would have called some random A-rags would have hit an ace on the flop . j/k. getting it all in preflop with kk would have been great. getting it folded around after nonstop constant action didn't feel great.

Limping, like almost everything else, has a place in live poker. There are some situations where it can be more profitable and obviously there are situations where it is less profitable.

5/T, younger pro co opens to $30, btn (rec? not sure, just a 45 y/o white dude) 3! to $105, hero has AKo in SB playing $1,000 and 4! to $350, folds to btn who jams, hero snaps. Standard, right? Btn is not a nit, he has tried to bluff hero postflop multiples times but granted this was his first 3! of the session.

That's a gross spot, I would probably call but I would hate it.

So I'm a little rusty and tired today anyway, but this was also first hand off deck at a new game.

1-3 NL

H - MP - 450 - red 99
Button and cutoff - 500

H opens to 12, CO BTN SB BB all call

Flop (43) - T93ccc

Checks to me, 30, cutoff 105, button 250, blinds fold.

Me - WTF.

Cutoff is MAWG in a mask, button is probably 40s white guy in an outdoorsy baseball cap. Those are the extents of my reads.

Easy fold as played,one of these guys surely have a flopped flush.

You have really close to the right equity if they both get it all in and they both have a flush. You have around 34%.

If they both are getting the money in the only way you don’t have the correct equity to call is if one of them has 1010. How long have you been at the table? Someone said in my thread no one at these stakes are raise folding the flop. I dont think it maters much what you do as far as EV is concerned. I would not have played the flop the same as you did though.

Literally first hand off the deck at a new game.

And you would have checked flop? Seems likely to check around a bunch and don't love that

First hand off the deck I might have checked half the time.

Imagine holding 910dd flopping two pair on 910J with 2 spades. Your hand is close to the same as that

Much softer table then usual tonight. Action being led by a player in 35% of the hands. Making big bluffs and even more insane calls. Previous hand I had with main V I button raised vs his BB and cbet on a KdQx9d board and he called, x/x brick turn, Ax on river and I fired pot with air and he called me with 98o.

2/5/10
$650 effective

EP+MP limp 10
H in LJ has AQo limps along (V has been raising his BTN straddle 50% of the time)
CO limps
V BTN straddler makes it 65
EP folds
($550~) MP calls 65

MP is another fishy player. He ended up being the 3rd person to call a 160 raise over his 40 flat with AJo preflop in a previous hand.
$155 in the pot
H ?

Feels like I have 2 options here between calling and jamming.

We can call with what is very likely to be the best hand atm but there is 0 chance I can bluff anyone out so I am just hoping to hit or fold.
200 raise the SPR is 1 if only 1 person calls and again I have to hit my hand or x/f. Worst option imo.
Jamming 640 to collect the dead money.

Jam and happily take the ~150 in the pot uncontested.

If someone calls, still happy because there is a solid chance you’re flipping at worst.

With 650, calling is just pointless imo. You miss too much and then what do you do to continued aggression? It becomes a guessing game.

In a vacuum, it’s actually not that terrible of a call.

You should never have a flopped straight, set, 2 pair, or AK when you check the turn

OTR, people at llsnl:
(1) rarely turn made hands into bluffs, so you probably don’t have any weak Kx, Qx, JJ, or TT
(2) rarely bet large with weak made hands, say Ax. Even when having AJ or AT you don’t see people do this a lot.
(3) the only hands the population would generally do this with the A river is AQ or A9 or a bluff


if this guys isn’t folding to bluffs, just don’t bluff him and make very wide huge value bets against him until he starts folding, then start bluffing him

I don't want to make this the focus of that post but this bluff was very close to him sitting down and there wasn't any reads yet and on average against an old white guy betting in this spot is going to get a majority of the 1 pair hands to fold. I agree with your overall read of the situation though, it was a risky play and I decided to fire because of a live read telling me he was very weak on the flop call. As I played with him more there was no hand reading going on he was just clicking buttons in every hand he was in.

5/T, Utg opens to $30 (have seen as wide as A4o), rec mp 3! to $125, sb fish cold calls, hero bb $1,100 eff. AKcc? While we tank a little utg calls out of turn.

I play 1/2. Raises are generally a bit tighter, 3-bets are a lot tighter than I suspect at 5-T.

At 1/2 $200 (100bb deep) I'm possibly jamming here unless MP is a known nit.

AKs ... Flat is good news! Or is it? How deep are others for any side pots, if any? $30 standard open/straddle means effective is under 40bb

While UTG flat suggest no AA/KK, it doesn't rule out sharing cards via other AXs/KXs and/or with either SB or MP

If no AA/KK out there then it's hard to imagine 3 other hands causing us to have less than 25% equity here, which means it's pretty easy to call now that we are closing action. AKs v TT v J9s v KK is 26.5%

Then again it's less than 2% +EV .. So for my game in a neutral spot, I'm calling. But you don't range the Rec either. If we seriously think that we can take it down or get HU then we consider shoving. Shoving 'should' look extremely strong and get us HU with MP or take it down. If somehow we end up 3-ways ways with UTG and MP we may not be sharing cards at all and/or at least have UTG dominated if AQ/AJ.

We are 29% against KK and TT if no cross-suiting .. so another break even spot with some dead money in there from SB. That rockets up to 39% if it's QQ and TT.

5/T games are usually uncapped with BIs around 1K anyway, so it comes down to you as a Player.

In a tournament this very well could be a smart, conservative fold. But in a cash game it comes down to your style as a Player and what's in your pocket to reload with.

I'm not going to do a FYP .. but raises in the Midwest at 1/2-1.3 are hardly tight in most rooms regardless of position, perhaps the day games are tight but anything after 2pm is open season. Whereas 'a lot' of (reasonably sized) 3-bets are probably the same ranges as 5/T opens. If there are two alpha-dogs then you can consider some leveling going on. It's nothing to go open for 12, two flats, raise to 44 and go 3-ways to the Flop and see zero pocket pairs. At low stakes the 4-bets are where things really tighten up for almost the entire Player pool and may not even include AQs unless just too short.

Your 2nd point is spot on .. Since we are closing action and it's not likely that we get chips going into the pot from more than one Player on most Flops, why not try to take it down and/or make sure we see all 5 cards with some dead money. GL

KQ9dd Flop .. Once you check a blank on the Turn that triggers a weakness button in 'their' mind. Why are you checking a blank anyway? You changed your narrative for the hand. pound, pound, pound

'These Players' are typically willing to call two streets with any type of connection to the Board and you actually let them off the hook by checking the Turn. I've seen repeatedly where they are more than willing to pay off the Ace of Flush just to prove to themselves they were ahead (and thus justify the Flop call). It has to be a triple barrel or you need to have Showdown value, otherwise don't bother.

If anything on this hand you should check the Flop and then fire pot on the Turn when it's a blank .. that's a much more serious message than the c-bet/check approach IMO. GL

I jam but then that's because I want to see 5 cards if I get called and because I play 2/3. Counterargument, how much do you raise with AA here? Because maybe you should do that, if you want to stop your hand looking exactly like AK to your player pool.

Other players were closer to $1600eff.

Results…


Hero jams, utg folds, mp calls, sb tank calls. Mp has other AKs, sb has 98s, 98 wins of course to stack us both on a 9-high flop.

Gross but 98s has like 40% of the equity in a 3way pot.

General question with a specific hand. How fast do you play nut flush on a paired board? How deep are you willing to gii?

1/2 $300 max 6 handed at the time.
Hand:
Folds to V1 (BTN) who limps. He's very aggro pre and post, but has been getting good runouts so far piling it in when he's got it. covers. Probably vpip/pfr 40/30.
V2 (SB) lolraises to $6. Approx $150. He's not very good and nitty/weak post. First time he raised a small amount.
Hero $450ish (BB) has a $2 chip in and tosses out a $25 and forgets to say raise. I am an idiot. Counts as a call, V1 calls. Hero has As6s.

Flop $18: 5s5x8s. V1 checks. I check, V2 makes it $25. V1 calls, I call.
V1 never has 88 here as he is 100% raising pre. I put him on a draw, 8x, 5x, unlikely quad 5's (but why so much with mortal nuts).

Turn $90: 5x5x8s Ts. V1 checks, I lead out $50. V2 quickly makes it $150. V2 folds. It's $100 for me to call. If I call pot will be $390 with me having $270 behind.

I have nut flush, so is he doing this with a lower flush? He's not showing up with KQss but hands like Ks2s/Qs7s are possible. Ks 5x also possible. But all full houses+ are just rare. He never has TT/88, so that leaves 58, T5. I don't think he's bluffing here either so he has a value hand. By my guess he has about 12 FH combos and 12 flush combos.

Do we ever find a fold at this stack depth?

When 105 gets there, you say nice hand and reload as fast as possible. I jam there too. I figure he has one combo of 55 and one combo of 58s, not 5s8s, and maybe, maybe one combo of 105s. So ya jam and reload.

Also the action is messed up so maybe they have more combos of 105o and 58o. You say V2 raises then V2 folds

f standard regardless of your strategy vs 3b (have flatting range or 4b/f only range)

You flat your entire range here? 'F' means flat? Or fold? Hunh? You fold AKo versus a non-nit after putting in 1/3 of your stack here? He could have the other AK or QQ....this is sb versus a late position battle, we don't all have to be nutted.

What equity do you think we have versus a jamming range and what pot odds are we getting? How do those square up?