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10-22-2022 , 12:27 PM
Weird spot w/ TT at 1/2.

V1 young kid who knows how to play opens to $10 UTG. I know he is positionally aware and opens frequently from LP. First time in about 2 hours I've seen him put any money at all in from UTG/UTG+1.

1 fold, Hero in MP w/ TT. I think I 3-bet AQ+/JJ+ but torn w/ TT. If I call will likely drag a cavalcade of callers and set mine. We are $500+ deep with V1.

Then super spazzy V2 $200 3-bets to $50. This could be AA, could be 63o. He has shown both on large 3 bets. V1 flats. Should I back raise here? Flat again?

Again, just a weird spot.
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10-22-2022 , 02:01 PM
I comfortably shove here, I’m happy to play shallow against V2 and V1 likely will either A) not call or B) call with two overs because he can’t have KK or AA AP.
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10-22-2022 , 02:18 PM
What could he possibly have? This isn't really a strat question (and certainly not a bad beat story). Ever since I played this hand I've been wondering what villain could possibly have?

5/5 NL. Villain has ~350.

Villain open raises in MP to 20. Two calls. Hero has QQ is SB and 3-bets to 85. Villain is only caller (pot ~200; Villain has ~270 behind).

Flop comes 2 TJ. Villain checks. Hero jams. Villain calls. Runout is A 5.

Hero shows. Villain mucks. I have no idea how it's possible I won this hand once the A hit. AT, AJ, KQ, AK, AQ all draw out. TT and JJ already had me drawing near-dead. What could Villain possibly have held? (I don't know. Any guesses?)
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10-22-2022 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tipperdog
What could he possibly have? This isn't really a strat question (and certainly not a bad beat story). Ever since I played this hand I've been wondering what villain could possibly have?

5/5 NL. Villain has ~350.

Villain open raises in MP to 20. Two calls. Hero has QQ is SB and 3-bets to 85. Villain is only caller (pot ~200; Villain has ~270 behind).

Flop comes 2 TJ. Villain checks. Hero jams. Villain calls. Runout is A 5.

Hero shows. Villain mucks. I have no idea how it's possible I won this hand once the A hit. AT, AJ, KQ, AK, AQ all draw out. TT and JJ already had me drawing near-dead. What could Villain possibly have held? (I don't know. Any guesses?)
KJ, QJ, Q9, two rando diamonds.
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10-22-2022 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Grease
I comfortably shove here, I’m happy to play shallow against V2 and V1 likely will either A) not call or B) call with two overs because he can’t have KK or AA AP.
Maybe being results oriented but I kinda agree that might have been the right play. Hard to step back and think in the moment like this.

Results: Board came K 4 3 3. I wound up taking it down on a turn bet.
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10-22-2022 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by donkatruck
Weird spot w/ TT at 1/2.

V1 young kid who knows how to play opens to $10 UTG. I know he is positionally aware and opens frequently from LP. First time in about 2 hours I've seen him put any money at all in from UTG/UTG+1.

1 fold, Hero in MP w/ TT. I think I 3-bet AQ+/JJ+ but torn w/ TT. If I call will likely drag a cavalcade of callers and set mine. We are $500+ deep with V1.

Then super spazzy V2 $200 3-bets to $50. This could be AA, could be 63o. He has shown both on large 3 bets. V1 flats. Should I back raise here? Flat again?

Again, just a weird spot.
Allin. Were happy to play for it all against these two ranges. Spazzy villain that 3 bet seems wide enough that 1010 is the nutz against him,and utg villain caps himself by just flatting the 3 bet.
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10-23-2022 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by tipperdog
What could he possibly have? This isn't really a strat question (and certainly not a bad beat story). Ever since I played this hand I've been wondering what villain could possibly have?

5/5 NL. Villain has ~350.

Villain open raises in MP to 20. Two calls. Hero has QQ is SB and 3-bets to 85. Villain is only caller (pot ~200; Villain has ~270 behind).

Flop comes 2 TJ. Villain checks. Hero jams. Villain calls. Runout is A 5.

Hero shows. Villain mucks. I have no idea how it's possible I won this hand once the A hit. AT, AJ, KQ, AK, AQ all draw out. TT and JJ already had me drawing near-dead. What could Villain possibly have held? (I don't know. Any guesses?)
Pocket 4s.
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11-03-2022 , 10:01 PM
I played with a guy tonight who went all-in blind like 20 times. Got me wondering what the weakest hand is that's a favorite against any two cards. Feels like it should be somewhere in the T9 ballpark. Anyone know the mathematically correct answer? If someone goes all-in blind and you're in the big blind (with no one else in) and you're willing to take the smallest +EV edge, what can you call with?
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11-03-2022 , 10:09 PM
Assuming no rake you should defend with any two since random vs random is a flip and there's overlay from the blinds.
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11-03-2022 , 10:14 PM
Barring rake, computer hand aka Q7o.

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Originally Posted by stinkubus
Assuming no rake you should defend with any two since random vs random is a flip and there's overlay from the blinds.
That's not true unless you only have a few big blinds in front of you. The reason it's not true is because your cards are no longer random...you can see them before making your decision.

I would call with any 2 under certain dynamics though even if it is -EV.
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11-03-2022 , 10:20 PM
Ya I guess you could get rid of the worst junk and improve.
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11-04-2022 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by curdanol
I played with a guy tonight who went all-in blind like 20 times. Got me wondering what the weakest hand is that's a favorite against any two cards. Feels like it should be somewhere in the T9 ballpark. Anyone know the mathematically correct answer? If someone goes all-in blind and you're in the big blind (with no one else in) and you're willing to take the smallest +EV edge, what can you call with?
You named 3 very important factors: true blind jam, we close action, no other callers. The other one is rake. Theoretically effective stacks don't matter but they do matter to me and most other players. Like A8o is a trivial call by theory but I'm just not calling off $20K with this hand.

FWIW I previously played around with an equity calculator and Excel to get some answers on this exact question and you should probably do the same because its informative e.g. unlike normal full stack poker A2o is a good hand and 65ss is dog crap - I guess that's intuitively obvious but you may get some revelations.

With rake and taking a small edge on top it was something like 22+/Axs+/Kxs+/any two suited 8+/any two 9+/Axo+/K7o+...don't remember exact details though. In reality for 100bb I'm probably calling a bit tighter than that.

Last edited by WereBeer; 11-04-2022 at 06:27 AM.
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11-04-2022 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by curdanol
I played with a guy tonight who went all-in blind like 20 times. Got me wondering what the weakest hand is that's a favorite against any two cards. Feels like it should be somewhere in the T9 ballpark. Anyone know the mathematically correct answer? If someone goes all-in blind and you're in the big blind (with no one else in) and you're willing to take the smallest +EV edge, what can you call with?

Assuming you’re the last person to act, everything that has 50% equity or more vs 100% range is:

22+
A2+
K2+
Q2s+/Q5o+
J5s+/J8o+
T7s+/T9o
98s


97s has 49% equity and 98o has 48% equity

This range doesn’t take into account stack depth or rake. So I listed anything from 50%+, but if this was being done in my 2/5 game with 1k cap, 5+2 rake, I would actually want anything that is 50.4%+, as (1000+7)/2000=.5035, or 50.35%, which would be the break even point to cover the rake. The higher max stack depth compared to rake brings the desired percentage close to 50%, while lower max stack depth would be the inverse. A 1/3, 500 max, 6+2 rake, would need 50.8% equity to break even.

I don’t recommend playing pit games, but Ultimate Texas Holdem, and similar games, where you are playing solely against the dealer and you can see all 5 cards, you start to see this realization about the above range, specifically how high card matters much more than just about anything else. Ax and Kx are max jams pre in that game because of it. The game is more nuanced because of the betting structure, but you can easily see how the above range generally applies with some tweaking to account for bet structure and house edge.

Last edited by johnny_on_the_spot; 11-04-2022 at 10:12 AM.
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11-04-2022 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
Assuming you’re the last person to act, everything that has 50% equity or more vs 100% range is:

22+
A2+
K2+
Q2s+/Q5o+
J5s+/J8o+
T7s+/T9o
98s


97s has 49% equity and 98o has 48% equity
This looks right. Although, a quick review with PokerStove tells me that some of these are likely rounded up. For instance I show J5s to be 49.987%. The website I normally use to check these is down so I can't further verify beyond that.
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11-05-2022 , 06:45 PM
2/5/10

V: drunk. Doing really dumb stuff but also trying to probably act more drunk than he is. Playing off his image a little bit.

I am the effective stack with 650

Previously I opened AJcc to 15 v min raised HJ another V cold called the 30 I 4! To 120 and took down the pot

OTTH: I open 35 in HJ after Ep limp.

V makes it 75 SB cold calls others fold

(175) I make it 225 v ships 650 so 425 to call?

Do u guys like the 4! Or should I just flat
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11-05-2022 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Imjustrunningbad
2/5/10

V: drunk. Doing really dumb stuff but also trying to probably act more drunk than he is. Playing off his image a little bit.

I am the effective stack with 650

Previously I opened AJcc to 15 v min raised HJ another V cold called the 30 I 4! To 120 and took down the pot

OTTH: I open 35 in HJ after Ep limp.

V makes it 75 SB cold calls others fold

(175) I make it 225 v ships 650 so 425 to call?

Do u guys like the 4! Or should I just flat
Is your 35 suited or of the dollars variety
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11-05-2022 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend
Is your 35 suited or of the dollars variety
Lol my goodness would probably help if I posted my hand.

I had As10s and opened to 35 after one limp
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11-05-2022 , 08:45 PM
I raise to 40-50 after the limp and just call the 3-bet. It’s a small raise and you’re in position with a hand that plays well post.
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11-05-2022 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Imjustrunningbad
Lol my goodness would probably help if I posted my hand.

I had As10s and opened to 35 after one limp
Was it 75 to go or 75 on top? Sorry should have asked.
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11-05-2022 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Grease
Was it 75 to go or 75 on top? Sorry should have asked.
I’m OOP V Is on the button. It was 75 total.

Once the SB flats it makes me want to reraise a lot more of course because we win 177 preflop that’s amazing
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11-05-2022 , 09:21 PM
I would not 4B a min 3B with a decent hand. Call and play poker or fold. He has mostly kk, AA (8 combos) or some hand like 66. Believe anyone drunk is playing off the image until you see hard evidence otherwise. Or they are already terrible

Also cold call 3b is usually a very tight Aqs, AK, 1010 through QQ range
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11-06-2022 , 02:25 AM
You should really size your 4bet larger if you want to gain some fold equity.
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11-07-2022 , 11:52 AM
1/2 super late (3am Saturday). We have KK in the SB. A million limps and we make it $18. BB $200 (we cover) calls. 1 other caller less $100. Standard

Flop $60ish. Ks8s3s. We lead $25, BB goes $50, fold. Is this just a jam here? I think checking is terrible as check through is a disaster and I think calling his raise or raising not AI is bad. Just looking if I'm just horribly wrong here.
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11-07-2022 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by donkatruck
1/2 super late (3am Saturday). We have KK in the SB. A million limps and we make it $18. BB $200 (we cover) calls. 1 other caller less $100. Standard

Flop $60ish. Ks8s3s. We lead $25, BB goes $50, fold. Is this just a jam here? I think checking is terrible as check through is a disaster and I think calling his raise or raising not AI is bad. Just looking if I'm just horribly wrong here.
As long as youre not folding flop it cant be too bad imo. Agree checking flop is pretty bad,as another spade easily kills our hand.

Sure,when villain min clicks the flop we run into a flush a healthy portion of the time here-but who cares we have boat outs.
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11-07-2022 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by donkatruck
1/2 super late (3am Saturday). We have KK in the SB. A million limps and we make it $18. BB $200 (we cover) calls. 1 other caller less $100. Standard

Flop $60ish. Ks8s3s. We lead $25, BB goes $50, fold. Is this just a jam here? I think checking is terrible as check through is a disaster and I think calling his raise or raising not AI is bad. Just looking if I'm just horribly wrong here.
I dont like the jam.
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