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01-10-2022 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Nutsaboutpoker
$1/3 NL, 8-handed, at Aria in Las Vegas.



Preflop:

There is a $6 UTG straddle on. UGT+1 (Hero, $124, effective stack) has JcJs and raises to $23. LJ (over $300) calls. CO (maybe $250) calls. SB (over $300) calls.



Flop ($101): AdQdTs

Hero checks. LJ checks. CO bets $20. SB folds. Hero calls. LJ calls.



Turn ($141): Jh

Hero checks. LJ checks. CO bets $25.



Hero...?


What is your preflop strategy here?
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01-10-2022 , 06:49 AM
Call and plan to boat up. I don't like pre. Seems kinda small given the straddle.
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01-10-2022 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
What is your preflop strategy here?
I am not sure I totally understand your question. I am trying to either take down the dead money now or take the hand heads-up. $23 PF as RFI with a straddle on is usually a healthy raise in Las Vegas $1/$3 games. I was pretty surprised that I got so many callers.

Last edited by Nutsaboutpoker; 01-10-2022 at 07:09 AM.
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01-10-2022 , 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Call and plan to boat up. I don't like pre. Seems kinda small given the straddle.
That might be true for most $1/$3 games in other cities. However, in Las Vegas $1/$3 games, it's a fairly standard raise size or even slightly bigger than typical for the first player in. A more standard RFI size with a UTG straddle on is about $17 or $18 in Las Vegas games. $30 or higher as a pf raise with a straddle on with no player in the pot yet would be extremely rare and considered a bit crazy in Las Vegas $1/$3 games.
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01-10-2022 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Call and plan to boat up. I don't like pre. Seems kinda small given the straddle.
The guy has 20bbs lol 23$ is plenty big considering his stack size

Honestly i’d raise smaller between 15-18$ so you have some playability post flop

or just open shove 20bbs cant be too bad either with JJ, people def call with worse and you dont always want to see a flop with that hand.
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01-10-2022 , 09:02 AM
I'd prefer to limp/jam or raise bigger given our small stack. We end up in just so many awkward spots otherwise. But I also just wouldn't sit thay short.
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01-10-2022 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TAOxEaglex
Do you guys change from optimal play just because you have made this same play too frequently in the past orbit or two?

For example, if you have cbet on good cbet boards twice in the past orbit and another good cbet board comes a third time?

Or if you get check-raised a bunch of times by different people in a smallish time frame, all of which are standard folds in a vacuum?

I always get nervous if I make the same play too many times and I usually deviate just for the hell of it. Should I just keep playing my game until I get exploited?

Yes I do, I kind of think it's a bad habit though.

I've noticed this with my 3-bets especially. If I happen to 3-bet pre twice in a short span I tend to get nervous that someone will make some dumb live player read against me if I 3-bet again soon.

But I think you should just play the preflop ranges you think are correct.
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01-10-2022 , 10:56 AM
Just out of curiosity, what 3-bet sizes do you guys generally use OOP?

It seems like the 4x online standard hasn't really caught on live.
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01-10-2022 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Nutsaboutpoker
$1/$3 NL (8-handed) at Aria in Las Vegas.

Two limps. Button (over $300) raises to $17. SB (over $300) calls. BB (Hero, $276, effective stack) calls with AhKh. Limpers fold.

Flop ($57): AsAdJd
SB checks. Hero checks (intending to check-raise big). Button checks back.

Turn ($57): 6s
SB checks. Hero bets $45. Only button calls.

River ($147): 8s

Hero...?

Questions:

Preflop, I usually 3-bet in this spot, but I like to mix in just flatting with AK about 20% or 30% of the time and seeing the flop first before building the pot (that way, I don't lose too much money if I completely whiff the flop). Should I ALWAYS 3-bet AKs or AKo in BB here? If so, what is a good 3-bet size?

On the flop, I rarely donk-lead in general and prefer to check to the preflop raiser 95%+ of the time when I am OOP. Should I have donk-led here instead of trying to check-raise?
I hear Vegas games are likely quite different than games I play in, so this might have to be taken with a grain of salt, but...

There's pretty decent dead money in the pot (especially relative to our non-deep stack), so I'm 3betting. I'd size to about $85ish to leave a PSB shove for most flop (puts immense pressure on pairs both preflop and flop, plus we guarantee realizing our equity).

I think I'm ok with a flop check. Not sure if I would be check/raising it, I guess it depends on action.

I'm also donking the turn.

I would bet/fold small on the river. It's unlikely he has an Ax that could pay off a large bet because I doubt he would check that back on this semi-drawy flop 3ways. So he either flopped the ~nuts or backed into a flush (hence the folding part of the bet/fold), or he has a weak showdownable hand (like KK/QQ/TT) that will consider paying off a small bet. I'd go like $50.

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01-10-2022 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Nutsaboutpoker
$1/3 NL, 8-handed, at Aria in Las Vegas.

Preflop:
There is a $6 UTG straddle on. UGT+1 (Hero, $124, effective stack) has JcJs and raises to $23. LJ (over $300) calls. CO (maybe $250) calls. SB (over $300) calls.

Flop ($101): AdQdTs
Hero checks. LJ checks. CO bets $20. SB folds. Hero calls. LJ calls.

Turn ($141): Jh
Hero checks. LJ checks. CO bets $25.

Hero...?
I limp/reraise in EP (and even MP), but that's my style. With a super short stack and at a table willing to give action against a nitty EP raise, I'm also fine with our raise here.

For this price I guess I don't hate a sigh check/call, but it's pretty dicey. Wouldn't hate just check/folding here this multiway on this board.

With only a 1/2 PSB left, I might just open jam the turn. There are still some draws to protect against, there are definitely worse hands that could still pay off, we get sick to our stomach if it checks around (which it could), and we probably can't ever fold anyways. ETA: As played, I jam. Kx ain't checking or betting so little on a flush draw board, so we almost always have the nuts here and there are hands that can pay off for this sizing.

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01-11-2022 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Micturition Man
Just out of curiosity, what 3-bet sizes do you guys generally use OOP?

It seems like the 4x online standard hasn't really caught on live.
I personally like a slightly bigger than pot-sized raise when I am OOP. For example, in a $1/$3 game, if UTG raises to $15 and there are two calls and I am BB, I am probably 3-betting to at least $90 or $95. I would 3-bet smaller only if the table is very tight and folds often to big raises and I really want some action with a premium hand like KK or AA.
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01-11-2022 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I limp/reraise in EP (and even MP), but that's my style. With a super short stack and at a table willing to give action against a nitty EP raise, I'm also fine with our raise here.
Limp raising actually makes way more sense here when we are only 30bbs deep than when you normally do it.
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01-12-2022 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Limp raising actually makes way more sense here when we are only 30bbs deep than when you normally do it.
Yeah, I will sometimes do that with a short stack and a hand like JJ in EP. I just chose to open-raise here.
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01-24-2022 , 01:47 AM
third hand at newly opened 2/5 table

Villain (750) UTG is mid 30s guy I've never seen before in the room. Looks like a rec and holds his hands in front of his chips in a slightly irregular way.

Hero (1k) is MAWG.

V opens UTG to 15.
folds to Hero on Button who raises to 50 with black KK

V quickly raises to 115. I ask him to move his hands so I can see how much he has. He slightly weirdly replies 'i haven't played a hand yet'

Hero flats

Flop (235) is Jc,Js,10h and goes check check

Turn (235) is offsuit 5 and Villain leads 130, Hero calls.

River (495) is deuce and Villain leads 220.

Fold/Call/Raise and do we play earlier streets any different?
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01-24-2022 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath

V quickly raises to 115. I ask him to move his hands so I can see how much he has. He slightly weirdly replies 'i haven't played a hand yet'
That just means he has his original buy-in amount.
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01-24-2022 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Phat Mack
That just means he has his original buy-in amount.

Yes I understand. It’s just a little random given the question.

Either way wwyd?
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01-24-2022 , 03:53 AM
I get to the river in exactly the same way you did and then call the $220. Think we get shown AA often.
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01-24-2022 , 06:55 AM
He should have Aces often but I 4bet pre and barring reads would bet flop vs this player. As played turn and river seem fine.
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01-24-2022 , 07:13 AM
Hand seems fine all the way through. Call now.
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01-24-2022 , 08:23 AM
Sorry, I meant call river. I assumed that is what you did.
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01-24-2022 , 06:25 PM
I did call, he did show AA and I wondered if I could have found a fold.

Tough with a villain I had zero reads on (apart from 'almost certainly a rec') but I wonder whether he does this with QQ. Having said that, the price is really too good to fold an overpair to an unknown...even one with such a nutted line.

I do think I can bet flop too tbh. I should have a lot more jacks in my hand than him as well as 1010 - given his 4 bet sizing, I'm calling with almost my entire 3 bet range pre and I get value from his QQ and AK.
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01-25-2022 , 04:25 AM
Kind of a silly spot because it looks exactly like AA but folding anywhere is horrible to this sizing IMO so I think we just hope it's QQ or that he was dropped on his head as a child.

Agree that we should hit this flop harder than him, I tend to x because I think he has AA a lot but maybe that's bad.

EDIT

Realistically we lost about the minimum I think.
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01-30-2022 , 06:30 AM
Been indulging my poker jones watching Bike and Hustler big cash game streams. Haven't been able to play from rehabbing and then when ready to go back big snow storms every weekend, can't hit the highway. Watching them play makes you realize how horrible you are. But makes me think about taking shots in big games, very tight very aggressive using the tight image using their runover strat against them seems has worked okay for me. Anyway, I"ve always hated watching poker but these real cash games, not the hyped up tournament final table BS, captures my interest.
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01-30-2022 , 06:38 AM
Thanks for the update bro
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01-30-2022 , 07:21 AM
Bro you might like the $100/$200 game that streamed at The Lodge last night. Doug Polk and Brad Owen were playing bro.
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