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08-27-2012 , 11:10 PM
What is OTF?
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08-27-2012 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickTwist
What is OTF?
On The Flop
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08-28-2012 , 12:00 AM
agreed...either fold or shove/raise big. If you don't hit on the turn, odds are villain is going to bet again...if you do hit, villain will get cold feet and won't put much in the pot. Let's say villain has a set; you are 35% to win. Against a made straight you are still 42%.

Its a feel play, but more often than not I'd shove/raise big with the full intention of shoving turn.
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09-02-2012 , 05:55 AM
I had 87o in the big blind the other night. Limped around.

Flop is J T 9 rainbow. I should have gone for the check raise here, but bet out $15 ... pot was $8 I think. I never overbet the pot like that. Still got two callers.

Mistake?
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09-02-2012 , 07:47 AM
Since you got two callers sounds good to me. I def like c/r if you know someone's betting.
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09-02-2012 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
I had 87o in the big blind the other night. Limped around.

Flop is J T 9 rainbow. I should have gone for the check raise here, but bet out $15 ... pot was $8 I think. I never overbet the pot like that. Still got two callers.

Mistake?
Not a mistake but we're still vulnerable and you're not just going with this hand no matter what turn card comes. An 8, Q, K causes big problems for you, and the board pairing isn't so great, either.

If the turn does brick off, bet big again.
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09-02-2012 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mtagliaf
Not a mistake but we're still vulnerable and you're not just going with this hand no matter what turn card comes. An 8, Q, K causes big problems for you, and the board pairing isn't so great, either.

If the turn does brick off, bet big again.
yeah, that's why i so overbet the pot.

i got called by KT and Qx and the turn was a K ... KT bet big (lol) and SB called with her straight. easy fold for me.

if i can get an $11 bet and a call there, and I pop it to $50, i probably win the pot on the flop.
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09-02-2012 , 02:05 PM
don't worry about winning the pot - worry about winning money. You win much more with your overbet and calls from people drawing than you do shutting them all out of the hand.
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09-03-2012 , 09:07 PM
thoughts on this hand plz

4 or 5 limps. co raises to $11. hes an old.man but hes not old man nit. he plays fairly solid poker and hes very positionally aware. this is the 2nd time ive played with him and i see him punish limpers from late position quite often. he likely views me as tag.

i have 99 in BB. i raise to $37. everyone folds co calls.

flop 863r. i lead out $50 with the intention of folding to a raise.
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09-03-2012 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by IhaveBTN
thoughts on this hand plz

4 or 5 limps. co raises to $11. hes an old.man but hes not old man nit. he plays fairly solid poker and hes very positionally aware. this is the 2nd time ive played with him and i see him punish limpers from late position quite often. he likely views me as tag.

i have 99 in BB. i raise to $37. everyone folds co calls.

flop 863r. i lead out $50 with the intention of folding to a raise.
Looks good to me. He folds his AK/AQ/KQs and gives up his 25% equity. Plus every over sucks for you, whether he has them or not. Could you have gotten away with $40-45 accomplishing the same thing?
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09-04-2012 , 12:45 AM
possibly, not sure. he thought long and hard about making a move i think, he kept counting out at least a minraise then let go after a minute. if he just jams air there i just auto lose or is there any chance i should hero
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09-04-2012 , 12:48 AM
What does cEV mean and what does it mean if it is - or +?

NVM

Last edited by QuickTwist; 09-04-2012 at 01:07 AM.
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09-10-2012 , 02:21 PM
At a 5-10 game at borgata. I usually play 5-5 or 2-5 deep, but wanted to take a shot this weekend with borgata open action. Ive been at the table an hour, and playing fairly conservatively considering i am shot taking. I may have 3 bet once. Otherwise not active. Also, there was a friend of mine at the table who is a total fish down for a bachelor party. I was not, but we were talking so the rest of the table may have labeled me a fish by association. This played a part in my actions. Villain looks l,ike a regular, not a tourist. Late 20s, sunglasses. I have @1300, he covers. He has not been very active, only played one pot. No 3 bets or other signs of looseness or aggression. I open raise qq from button to 35. He raises to 150 from big blind. I raise to 475 after thinking a minute, he shoves. I have 800 left. I know this is somewhat standard, hence my posting it here. Just a sanity check, thanks. Call or fold? Should i have flatted the 3 bet inposition and played post flop? What about as played?
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09-10-2012 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Jersey Jay
At a 5-10 game at borgata...
Gthisisn'ttheol'JJthatIstolethisfrom,isit?G
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09-10-2012 , 02:41 PM
Dinno, were you wearing an orange hoody and sunglasses in the ten seat around 6 oclock saturday? I asked you after i got up?
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09-10-2012 , 04:22 PM
i think he referencing his "sig' GifhsidfjwofwodkG
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09-10-2012 , 04:57 PM
2/5 Borgata this past Thursday

V1: Best spot at the table. Limps 80% of hands. Passively calling down at least one street if not several streets with pairs, draws, overcard etc. Sometimes trappy with a big hand. A PF raise first in is a strong hand. TT-AA, AK maybe AQ. I hadnt seen him call a 3 bet after he was raised. Stack $485.

Hero: Tight image. Appearing aggressive post-flop due to flopping good nearly every time so far. Few hands to showdown but all strong. Don't think V is formulating detailed reads on me or anyone else at the table though. I forget how much I had stack-wise at this point, but I def had V covered by several hundred dollars.

Preflop V1 raises to $20, HERO raises to $85 with AA, V1 calls.

Flop ($177) KK4 (rainbow). V1 checks, HERO bets $100, V1 calls.

Turn ($377) 3 (no flush). V1 checks, HERO ???

Thoughts on the amount of the flop bet? This is usually a spot where Id bet $150 but I thought, at the time, I either had him crushed or I was crushed by AK. I dont know if thats a good reason to half-pot it. After he calls the bet, I can pretty much narrow him to QQ, KK or AK. I think he mucks TT and maybe even JJ after I follow through on the flop.

Are we half-potting this turn, shoving, or checking for pot control?

Assuming a safe river card, based on your suggested turn action, what are we doing on the river?
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09-10-2012 , 09:12 PM
Well your read says passively calling everything at least one street, so i dont think we can put him on that tight range just becasue he calls a bet. I like your flop bet, and i think i like a check behind on the turn for both pot control and deception. I think you only can get two streets of value here, so it might as well be flop and river value for deception, and also avoid a check raise ott.
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09-11-2012 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Jersey Jay
Well your read says passively calling everything at least one street, so i dont think we can put him on that tight range just becasue he calls a bet. I like your flop bet, and i think i like a check behind on the turn for both pot control and deception. I think you only can get two streets of value here, so it might as well be flop and river value for deception, and also avoid a check raise ott.
As bad of a player as he was, when he (rarely) raised first in, he always showed down a premium pair or AK. He just seemed content to limp with 90% of his hands and raise the other 10%. Even with a few limpers in front, I saw him limp QQ.

Although I never saw him call a 3 bet, he seemed to play tighter when faced with aggression as well.

I cant say for certain my read is 100%, but I was pretty comfortable with that range in this spot.
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09-11-2012 , 01:54 PM
Ok, ill buy that. If that is your read, card removal favors qq, or even jj. Aa is one combo, and ak and aq a few more. Against this range, i still think the bet, check bet line is best.
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09-11-2012 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Jersey Jay
Ok, ill buy that. If that is your read, card removal favors qq, or even jj. Aa is one combo, and ak and aq a few more. Against this range, i still think the bet, check bet line is best.
That ends up being the line I took. Bet flop. Check-check turn. River was a deuce and he checked again. I wasnt super comfortable, so I ended up putting more of a blocker bet in, he paid it off with QQ.

Wanted to post that because I feel like I should have gotten his whole stack somehow.
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09-12-2012 , 08:50 AM
I think the 2 kings on board prevent you from getting his whole stack. I look at it on the flop as a two street hand, so you can either bet/check/bet, or check/bet/bet, both times you'll get value from TT-QQ (18 combos), and avoid losing your stack to KK/AK (5 combos)
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10-05-2012 , 02:10 PM
I have heard people say that they like to use large/small denomination chips in different situations at llsnl order to confuse villains by making the pots bloated/hard to count. Do any of you do this? what situations? Aint it better if they dont know pot size etc...
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10-13-2012 , 10:56 AM
1/2 home game

hero in mp with 7c7h, bought in with 100bb and just lost a pot the hand before and haven't added back on yet, i have 80bb everyone else covers.

utg+1 makes it 8, i call, button calls, sb calls.

flop($30ish): 6d7d9c, sb leads 20 utg+1 calls, hero shoves 150 into 70.

is there any other way to play that?
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10-13-2012 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 21outs
That ends up being the line I took. Bet flop. Check-check turn. River was a deuce and he checked again. I wasnt super comfortable, so I ended up putting more of a blocker bet in, he paid it off with QQ.

Wanted to post that because I feel like I should have gotten his whole stack somehow.
You didn't say how much you bet river, but it was probably a bit too small. I would have bet 2/3s of the pot, probably. Other than that you played it fine, you're probably not getting his whole stack with the 2 kings.
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