In my experience, turn donk bets are one of the most reliable spots where bet sizing tells emerge. (Not really so much in the hand you posted, but usually). Generally a small bet means "I have an OK hand and want to figure out where I'm at" and a huge bet means "I'm afraid you're going to draw out on me and want to protect my hand while I'm ahead".

When I have a medium strength hand (like AK in your example), against most turn donk bets I like to raise in position (to around $300-350 as you did here) then check behind the river (and obviously fold if they 3bet the turn or lead the river). Obviously this depends a ton on the prior action/board/opponent etc, so I'm not saying to always do this. But raising the turn in position then checking behind the river is nice because it often allows you to both (1) occasionally get some value from his weaker hands that want to find out where they're at but aren't folding to a small raise in case you're bluffing (e.g., worse top pairs), and (2) often buy a cheap showdown against his monster hands since he'll often check to you on the river (and if they don't you can comfortably fold).

2/5 8 handed, 300 MAX, hero 300 back, been playing at this new game for about an hour,

utg+1 (150 back, I squeezed him with A5dd from a bunch of limps when I was in the bb previously and he 3xed shoved over I folded and he showed Q9o), hj (covers me ~400 back limp vpiping around 50% with sunglasses) limp to hero on button who has JhJs hero squeezes 35, utg+1 calls, hj calls, sb folds;

Flop(105):
KdKh9d

Hero bet 40, utg+1 fold, hj flats

Turn(185):
2c

Hero checks, villain snap shoves, hero???

Question: flop this is a spot where we want to bet 1/3rd pot not holding Jd, is that correct thinking?

You were on the button or in the big blind?

Is it 300 max bet or 300 max in effective stack? Anyways you say villain has a stack of 150. That means his shove is for 75, not even half pot. Very easy call with a pocket pair above the unpaired cards on paired board, plus there's no flush or straight possibilities. If he binked trip Ks good for him, you can't fold.

Why we playing so shallow?

We're also so shallow here postflop that position is not very relevant.

I'm not understanding how you can say position isn't very relevant simply because we are playing 60bbs deep.

My bad, I was in the big blind, and the buy in is 100-300 no limit

We’re playing so shallow because of LA casino regulations

High jack that covers me is the one that shoved so a 1.2x pot sized bet

When I thought main villain had less than half pot behind on turn i thought who acted first on that street really wouldn't matter.

Cooler or should I be worried about stack preservation here? Hero kk on cutoff we make it 25 old man calls in sb ep limper calls flop k98 we make 25 they both call. Turn 5 of diamonds creating bd flush draw. They check we make it 75. Old man makes it 200 ep limper snap calls. Back to us old man has like 600 ish behind limper has like 500 behind. We rip it. Old man has 67 diamonds we miss

Please put pot sizes for hand histories. I size up OTT. Get it in is obviously fine given old man has sets, two pair hands and potentially monster draws.

Stakes not particularly important, V is a bad rec. Have seen V limp as strong as TT from EP. You iso his EP limp with AdAc, flop 762r. V X, hero bets 1/3 pot, V calls. Turn: Kc, bringing bdfd. V X, hero 1/2 pot, call. River: 4 bricking flush draw. X, hero 1/2 pot, V just over min-check raises, hero folds. OK?

Thanks,
DT

So you’re getting over 4 to 1?

I’m almost certainly stationing there

Agreed.
He can easily spaz with floated AK or something else stupid.

Back in the day when I played Limit, it was completely standard to bet/fold the river, even though you were often getting like 12:1 to make the sigh call. Maybe it's just cuz I come from that background, but it makes folds like this a lot easier / ~standard.

Gbutthat'smeG

Probably sigh call because of our smallish sizings but folding probably isn’t bad.

Not really a question, but man, this new room I've been playing in has the loosest, craziest players I've ever seen. It's really frustrating having all this experience playing 100-200+ BB poker that doesn't translate at all when almost every hand in the 1/3 game has a button straddle for $10, every raise gets 3+ callers, and it almost always gets in on the flop.

There's a button straddle for $10, SB completes, I complete BB with QhQd, UTG raises to $35, 4 calls, I jam $300, we get called by A5o. (Yes, this game has forced me to revert to the GG style, which I had mostly gotten away from when playing deeper games).



Another hand there's an open to $25 (no straddle, just an 8.3 BB open), 3 calls. Flop and turn check around, river one of the callers bets $225 into ~$100, everyone folds, then he flips over T7o (for ten high) and says "haha easy money."

Another one we have TPTK+NFD and lose to a guy who called a PFR with 72s (for about 10% of our effective stack).

Anyway, I know these games are profitable, but huge swings compared to a regular 1/3 game. It's basically like short stacking a 5/10 game.

folding does not seem standard at all.

The Pen ----> that way.

They way I think about stationing the min check-raise when getting good odds is that: I get information, villain feels good about getting paid so doesn't reflect on how he could've done better, and he's not exploiting me I'm just declining to aggressively exploit him in this instance.

It's tilting to play in these games but also can be super profitable. Just got to nit it up. Even if they get wise to you and fold when you pump out massive raises and 3bets you'll be hoovering up so much dead money that you are still crushing. It's tempting to try to force it but when it gets so multiway you are more and more likely to run into strong hands.

Raise less frequently, raise bigger, figure out who will call pre then fold too often to cbet (ATM) vs who will station off postflop (check until you have it).

And when it comes to your speculative hands: see cheap flops in position.

5 handed loose game, we iso ep limper to 30 with A◇4◇, sb, bb, ep calls. I could've limped behind, but chose to raise for iniative, etc.

Sb is a fish, in for like 2.5k and is playing ATC atm. BB is an ok player but makes sizing mistakes. Has one gear in bet size, bet big. Ep is irrelevant after flop.

Sb (1.2 or 1.3k)
Bb (covers)
H (1k)

Flop (130): J◇2◇9♤, sb x, bb 105 into 130, ep folds back to us.

BB likely doesn't lead a set, he shouldn't I think. He shouldn't lead a Jx either. I'm unsure of what to make of BB donk. He seems to attack weakness when you check to him, but I dont know what his donking range here is. BB is competent enough, imo, to know sb isn't folding flops he connects with so his donk in this spot seems more value heavy then QTs or diamond draw or a Jx. Jx and maybe J9 makes more sense than BB leading sets.

With that being said, do we flat QQ+, AJ?

Whats our raising range?

Does A4dd falls under raise or flat? If we raise, what are we targeting?


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Whats our position here? Button or what? Late pos?

Anyway, i am raising A4s eveyday of the week in pos against a limper with a wide limpingrange 200 blinds deep.

On the flop i guess calling and using our position is good. I dont mind raising this a good amount of the time either, depending on how fit/fold the donk bettor is and our image at the time. I mean, he could have good draws that we have destroyed like K10 diamonds or KQ diamonds- to mention a couple of combos.

But yeah, if BB is decently competent i like a call here and use our pos on future streets.

We are in the CO.


In addition to this draw, are you also flatting QTs?
What about QQ+?
AK/AQ/KQ i'm assuming fold > 3b > call?

How can you be trying to isolate when you think SB is calling so often?

I don’t think I’d raise preflop here.

On the flop, I’m not a fan of raising with hands like these unless I am really sure that either I have good fold equity or I will be getting it in against a range that includes draws. What I don’t want is to get frequently shoved on by a range against which my overcard outs are no good. Also the presence of the SB makes me lean towards a call because he could overcall and pad our odds.

SB is a high VPP fish regarding to description, if he wants to call with a garbage range with the worst position at the table 200 blinds deep against me i would welcome him to do just that everyday of the week too.