yep, very easy to give yourself permission to do something stupid on other streets because you think you’re underrepped because you were passive preflop

What does your c betting HU OOP % look like? I'm about 100% IP, but I think I'm overdoing checking because I got used to online

Lol, you've seen this play 100 times from the same player or different players?

Anyways, as I said in the op this isn't how I normally would play AK. I wanted the bb in there if not squeeze pre. I chose the exploitable route, had a tight image and thought I can rep the Qx. Pfr is unlikely to raise pre with a 3x, and he'll have a hard time continuing with anything but a Qx.

Not a "crazy" play.

Depends on the board texture. IP I'm likely around 80% hu but depending on texture I tend to cbet small which will spike my cbet %

I've seen this play 100 times from many different players over the years. Of course you wouldn't normally play AK passively preflop when you have the best of it and then aggressively postflop when you whiff. Who would really?

I'm all for playing exploitatively but this hand looks more like a form of tilt. You can't credibly rep AA/KK/AQ in this spot. You're raising the flop with some random Qx? That seems borderline ******ed.

Of course you are going to have to barrel the turn when you sized the flop so terribly. The more chips the villain puts in the pot, the less likely villain is going to fold future streets so you are pretty much just setting yourself up to shovel a lot more chips the villain's way. Fortunately you were bailed out by the river and probably have the best hand now.

What makes the 3x raise so terrible on the flop?

I didnt say villain was a thinking player, so I'm not trying to rep AA/KK, AQ/KQ I can certainly have here and would raise with both combos.

I dont want to derail this topic any further. I wrote in the OP that this isn't how I would normally play AK pre.... I got to the river, n I'm looking for some insight on how to size the river value bet.

If villain has a pocket pair or Qx type hand then he's actually giving us a pretty good price to draw. Any Ace, King, Jack, Ten, or Diamond on the turn improves our equity. Even more importantly though, we have position. If villain bets flop and we quickly call, what kind of hands are we repping? We're repping Qx or 3x. Could we have some pocket pairs, sure, but that can easily change if we raise the turn or bet it strong when checked to.

And I dont how you assumed this was tilt dude. If you read through what I wrote, I'm giving you my [logical] reasons as to why I chose to play the hand the way I did.

But anyways, thanks for the responses. H bet 400, v called, h got lucky.

1/3rd cbet size from villain isn't the best cbet either. Again, this isn't a thinking layer so he's not down sizing based on dry texture of the board. He has a lot of pairs under QQ that I can put pressure on by raising and leveraging position

You're enticing villain to call with such a small raise size. If you really want to put him to the test then show some cojones and put him to a real test.

Obviously you can have any of those combos but that doesn't mean you are repping any of those combos. Your story makes no sense. Villain doesn't need to be a thinking player to realize that something doesn't feel right about what you're selling.

Lol, quit the bro science dude. Most average villains will min raise the flop here. I am ip, making a 3x raise with close to 1k behind eff. You want me to raise to 300 and show my balls??? Da**** outta here.

I think we're done here. You're not very good at this game and seem incapable of learning.

- I'm tilting
- I'm not good at this game
- I'm incapable of learning

Lol, you know a lot about me through roughly half a page of words I've written. We're def done, take your bro science to the next guy.

Oh I forgot, I should show my balls. Lmao, ****ing idiot.

why post a hand if you don't want comments?

I didnt say I dont want any comments. Dream Crusher has derailed my original question of bet sizing on the river.

Responses on pre-flop were not needed as I specifically mentioned this isn't how I would normally play AK, I wanted the fish in the bb in, etc etc.

The next few proceeding comments were irrelevant about tilt, n I'm not good at the game, incapable of learning, show my balls n put villain to the test, etc.

All I asked was, we got to the river this way (I don't want to have a discussion on how I got to the river, I said in the OP), we likely have the best hand, what should I size my river value bet....


So again, where did I say I don't want comments for **** sakes.

but preflop sets everything up and it can't be ignored.

river is by far the least interesting street of the hand and there's literally 0 to be learned from it. you clicked buttons pre and on the flop, got deeper into **** on the turn and then you got lucky on the river.

but the weird part is that you seem really happy with your play throughout the hand and you got the right result...so did you just post this hand because you won some $$?

Was it Limon that said (paraphrasing here) "saying don't comment on pre flop is akin to telling the officer you don't want to talk about the drinks you had at the bar before you hopped behind the wheel"

I'm sure I butchered that but you get the idea. Wilfully ignoring a previous street means OP doesn't really understand the game

here is the quote

SOME MORE POKER ADVICE…
I love all of the posts that say disregard everything I did before I got check raised all in on the river and just tell me what to do now. Its like, “hey Dad its me billy and im in jail. Don’t ask me why I got drunk (standard). Don’t ask me why I drove (yawn). Don’t ask me how my car ended up in a 7-11 (meh). Just tell me how to keep from getting buttfuqqed tonight.

Lol, alright thanks fellas.

I don't like bullying, so I'll respond.

Pre is a disaster but you know that.

I don't like raising the flop at all. I really don't get it, we could be ahead, we're getting a good price regardless...I think you said his sizing is horrible but I would've sized the same with my value so I wouldn't too much into that.

I don't like the turn barrel either. I don't see him folding any of his 77-JJ or Qx, and if he floated with A high versus your raise we're chopping with AK but ahead of every A high.

This whole hand is weird so I'm a bit lost by the river because I would've never taken this route. I guess I'd go small, like $175 because with our blockers I feel like he's more weighted towards 77-JJ given our Qx blockers, and I think small is our best chance to get called by 77-JJ.

Thanks for the response. I ended up going larger, thought he wasn't folding. I said it multiple times, I dont normally flat this pre, I would 3b. But most posters that are replying continously keep bringing it up and its a bit irritating, having already stated this in the OP.

I get it, pre isn't the best in a vacuum. If someone said "you want big blindin the hand since he's a fish, but in most cases its better to play this hand straight forward and win a small pot as oppose to let button, sb, and bb in and make a larger mistake" then fine i have no problem with that.

Thanks for the response again.

Yeah, but there's no crisis here. It's not, "How did I get into this jam?" it's "What's the max milk-bet I can get away with?" Asking for pre- to be disregarded just attempts to keep the discussion on track.

Plus, I assume this is 2-5. If you always play AK the same way in a 2-5 game, you'll never make any money with it. Let him limp with it.

Tbf every street in the hand is played poorly and OP just wants to know what to do on River. There was no plan in this hand

As a creative player myself that likes to fight for pots I do actually appreciate the fact that you took a non-standard line. However, when you think outside the box, sometimes you end up with dumpster fires, which is what this hand is. If you're raising this spot you're just bluff raising way too often (either that or you're raising the wrong spots).


This is an exploitive play vs mouth breathers, not a GTO play vs Doug Polk. Of course you raise the same with your value hands, because you get called by worse.

Yeah, but I was referring to villain's 1/3 sizing otf