Seems fine for me. 3 streets of value with an overpair on a (relatively) dry board. Your math seems off though. You've bet considerably more than the $150 effective stack.

If he's truly an OMC, don't bet this river. You have showdown value, and nothing worse than your pair of queens is calling. Just check and see if you have a winner.

I think I'd rather bet the flop ourselves. OMC should find a call with 77-JJ or whatever, but I'm pretty much shutting down after that.

You could be right about the river, hard to say, depends a ton on what sort of OMC we're talking about. If he's a super-nit you should maybe x/f to the flop.

Agree with WW that you bet more than you had. I don't hate this. I might check river just because the board is so wet that a lot of what V had will have whiffed, but after thinking about that for a bit, it depends a lot on what combos CO can have preflop. If he doesn't have unsuited Tx, only suited, then there's only 10 combos of JT/QT/KT/AT he can have, vs. two of QJs, then maybe KJss/KQss/AJss/AQss/A8ss/A7ss...I guess it just plain depends on whether you figure this guy for a one pair hand that'll call off, vs. a missed draw that you may want to allow him to try to bluff.

You say he's tight passive though, so I guess I'd lean towards V having less possible combos that had draws anyways, the real question I now have is whether we could be value owning ourselves, but I think given the wetness of the board V probably finds a raise with T9 somewhere. NH.

1/2, $500 effective, 9 handed. Villain is a really solid pro, playing LAG. Villain is actually, genuinely a pro. He plays bigger games for the most part, but plays in the 1/2 game for fun and to play with rec friends. Villain views hero as TAG.

OTTH

Villain opens LJ $10, humungous fish calls BTN, hero 3 bets to $50 with K K from SB, and only villain calls.

Flip ($112): 6 5 4. Hero checks with the intention of folding. Is this too nitty? Rest of the hand doesn't matter because a diamond came on the turn and obviously folding to any aggression.

I ran my perceived range of villain, which I'm very confident in, vs K K and it says we have a 57-43 range advantage. Even knowing this, given being OOP, a host of terrible turn cards, and facing a pro, is it still best to just x-f this flop?

I woud bet 70 here but fold to a reraise. Villian has a lot of hands with diamonds that have good equity against you but could likely fold (99, TT, JJ, QQ). If turn comes a blank I'd likely double barrel.

He should know you have a lot of high diamonds and made hands in your range, so I think the portion of his range ahead of you is either reraising or trying to get it in on a blank turn.

Concern about rake and effect on beat-ability of live low stakes.

Quoted from 2p2er "rumnchess," who just took third in WSOP Main and is a live mid-high stakes professional:

"Rake is $6 on 1/3 [stakes] plus a $1 drop for the bad beat. Would be tough to beat that game for much."

I am new to studying poker seriously and am aspiring to beat live low stakes. However, if a seasoned professional states that the effective $7 rake at 1/3 "would be tough to beat ... for much" is it practical to expect a winrate past anything negligible at 1/2 with a $6 effective rake for a newcomer even after several months of study? Would it be wiser to save to be rolled for 1/3 as the rake is at least not as comparably large at 1.5x the stakes?

Apologies if this is not the appropriate place to post this, new to 2p2 also. Thanks.

Rake kills but it depends on the quality of the opposition and the way the game plays. I pay 10% capped at $15 for 2/3 and still grind out a modest profit. You want a reasonably loose game with 100bb+ effective stacks to beat the rake trap.

How many worse hands can we get to call flop?

Folding or calling with AKo pre?

Ran into a weird situation today and I still really have no idea what I should have done.

V is a winning reg. Plays on the safe side and tigher pre. Has about 250bb.

V opens to 20 UTG+1. I put him on a very tight range here, I don't even think he would raise a QJs under these circumstances.

I have AKo from the SB with 66bb. I don't like any of my options. What do I do?

I get what youre saying, that AK can have some serious reverse implied odds with deeper stacks against a very tight UTG range.

However, with just 66 blinds i am having a hard time seing us doing anything else than 3 bet/stacking off here.Of course we would prefer to have some more callers in there providing more dead money if we have to flip against JJ/QQ, but even then as played i am going with this hand unless villain is a total OMC nit.

Opens to 20 but how many bb is this? I guess it's 1/3? I probably 3! because calling is meh OOP to this sizing, we can fold out some hands with our raise, call shoves with decent equity and when called jam some flops. It's hard to make a huge error playing AK aggressively >70bb deep.

Its 1/3. I think he actually opened to 17 not 20.

Well the game I play is very solid pre flop. Not a lot of 3 bets in the morning/afternoon. The problem is if I raise, which I did, it commits us against someone I know is going to show up here with a big hand.

I raised to 60, he shoved. I called and got shown KK and the entire time I am thinking I have to be dead here. Hes not anything close to an OMC but he and the table in general doesn't make a whole lot of moves EP pre.

I mean, if you are on a short/vulnerable bankroll i dont think you are losing alot of EV by just mucking AKo in this spot. Premise is that you are extremely confident in your reads of course.

But if you are properly rolled i think you just have to play this aggressively with a 66 BB stack and live with the results/variance involved.

In this type of line up I am the most aggro at the table by far. I guess I come off as scared money here but when I raise and he shoves I just never think he has AK or JJ and I cant under raise OOP and a normal raise commits us. QQ is questionable (I honestly think he might fold this) but those combos are equal to the KK/AA combos.

I dont like being results oriented but I think its a shitty spot with a mediocre hand vs the table dynamic.

Sure, but if he folds a hand like JJ and you take it down pre thats a great result with A high. Of course when you actually get shipped on you are gonna be up against KK/AA a fair amount as described, but that doesent happen very often. In the long run you are winning money here by playing this aggressively at this stack depth. Calling from the SB and having to fold most of flops when we whiff and burn money sucks the most in my opinion.

I agree with you though that the spot isnt very cool at all, and i think its a high variance spot for sure that i would have just skipped if i had a short roll.

3 bet spot last night, just want to hear some of your thoughts guys.

Fishy losing reg who is drinking vodka/redbull tonight is opening to $8 from early pos (1/3 game). I have a clear sizingtell on him as many others in my playerpool, that he is on a weak non premium range with this small sizing.

I am in MP with QJ off. How wide are you willing to 3 bet this guy given the sizingtell read? Like how far do we want to stretch it? Players in my pool are generally playing tight against 3 bets, so a 3 bet will have a solid amount of fold equity here and get alot of better hands to fold behind me too.

I love these spots. This is something I've personally been studying. By MP I'm guessing you mean LJ?

By playing overly tight, I'm estimating only a range of TT+, AKo, AQs, and KQs gives you action from the players behind, already ruling out fish. That's 4.1% of hands, so if there are five players to act, folding 95.9% of hands that equals everyone folding 81.1% of the time, so if I'm thinking of this correctly, our theoreoretical break even percentage of hands to 3 bet here is 81.1%.

I seriously doubt we'd ever get 4 bet light ever, but if we 3 bet way too frequently I think we can expect to start getting cold called more often. I would personally 3 bet a range here of all A's, all K's, all two broadways, 55+, suited connectors of 65s+, suited gappers of 64s+, and double gappers of T7s+. That's 40.1% of hands, using blockers and playability. Is this too liberal?

1/3

v: older guy. Saw him absolutely Spaz against a downbet. Overall doesn’t get too out of line but is capable for an older guy

H: young guy. Nothing to out of line.

OTTH: I open Akhh UTG+1, one V calls next to act SB calls main V in the BB squeezes to 45

We 4! To 130 thoughts?

We are 450 effective

With a caller, I'd go $175 and look to shove almost every flop

Do u guys always 4 bet pre here

Vs competent opponents, yes, vs the 1/3 pool, no. In most cases I will 4 bet here, but not vs very tight players and/or players with very tight 3 betting ranges.

How wide are you guys calling OTB in mw limped pots? I noticed the biggest winner in our room calling super wide, with lots of questionable holdings. For example, with a few limpers I've seen him flat the following hands: T8o, 86o, 93s, 83s, and my username. All of these holdings look like problems waiting to happen, but funny enough I've seen all of these holdings at showdown to win medium to big pots and this has made me question just how wide we should be flatting OTB in mw limped pots.

I think the crappy suited cards aren't ever winning, but I think the connectors can be. I personally prefer to play less hands and play them all for a raise in this spot, but I think a crusher could play 86o successfully here.

Near the end of the session, people starting to get up already since the only real big fish at the table just left. Both V's are good winning regs. Seem to be friends but I don't think there is collusion going on here.

1/3/6 with a utg1 12 blind raise

Folded around to H on BTN with QJo
Opens to 45
SB calls
UTG1 12 "straddle" calls

(140) Flop Td9d7x
SB ships 210
UTG1 ships 200

We have the Qd and have to call 200ish to win 540. Pretty trivial call?