l/rr is bad IMO, just flat and take the great set mining odds you're being given.

Gonna agree with the others. You wanna set mine this hand. A suited A is my preferred limp/rr hand but with so many callers, this spot might be a bit too obvious.

If doing this for value or as kind of a semi bluff, you want something stronger, if you ever limp like, AJ or 88, where you might be able to call off sometimes and will have more flops.

The other thing with so many in the pot is, too many people flat big hands. Today, I played with a guy who limped behind on the button with TT, and another who declared to the table that he never raises AK.

I would check fold the flop. The only hand that might bluff you is a massive draw. The only hands you might bluff are maybe 55 or 66. You prob can try to fold out something like TT later, with a better success rate.

So we have a $250 stack? Weird preflop spot, imo. We could entertain flatting and hoping that brings along the BB, then we have an SPR 8 pot; we wouldn't be making money off the good guy on the Button but hopefully that will be overcome by the profit we make against the BB (the poorer a player the BB is the more I would lean to this route). Another idea is to just nullify the good guy's positional and skill advantage by raising to a huge amount that sets up a PSB shove, so like $80. Although that'll likely win a lotta $14 pots but the rare times we get called might not work out too well. Raising an inbetween amount to let him see a flop in position with stacks behind is a bit mehish, imo.

As played, I probably jam the turn. That should give us good FE against a wide range and if called we should have ok equity with our overs + gutshot + nutflushdraw.

GcluelessNLnoobG

If the table is super soft and people are putting in lots of money postflop with lol holdings, I would just limp in and overcall to setmine. If people are a lot more selective about getting in their money postflop, I would fold (as even calling the second time getting pretty much immediate setmining odds is dicey due to RIO at a lot of tables where everyone is basically attempting to do the same thing we are).

GcluelessNLnoobG

Do you guys like a squeeze here?

Effective stacks are 220 at 1/3

v who opens definitely does not want to play pots with me as he has said this before and he’s finally up on the session so taking that into consideration( I think he can be scared money)

Other two v’s are very nice and friendly CAN be stationy at times

V opens LJ to 11 one v calls in the HJ another in the in the cutoff I 3 bet to 55 with 34ss

It works

Do you guys like this play? Long term will this be +EV?

I love being way more aggressive with dead money out there

^no. Long term this will not be +EV.

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IP
Attacking LP open with wider ranges
Small sizing tell?

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Short eff stacks
Wrong player /Stationy type
Card strength

Tbh the - ve outweigh the +ve, but the 3bet is better than calling

No blockers,doesn’t flop well,it’s spewy imo..choose hands like A-4 suited or the bottom of your calling range like k-10 etc..so you have some playability when called.

You're being fooled by the shortterm results of taking down smallish pots preflop. These results, especially with these shortish stack sizes, will eventually be obliterated by the times you run into better that either (a) reraise you out of the hand preflop or even worse (b) allow you to barrel spew off your chips postflop in small SPR pots.

These are the worst stack sizes to get FPSy against. If anyone hits TP in an SPR lol 1.5 pot they are never going to fold, so all you do is allow them to play perfectly (by correctly committing). If stacks we're monstrous, then there would be much more argument for this type of FPS play because you could eventually get them to think about folding TP when facing the 4th barrel.

GimoG

1/3. Villain is new to me, but is an early 30's asian reg (sunglasses/hoody guy) who plays the bigger PLO games. Only played ~ an hour together @ this point, & nothing overly aggressive has happened, so I'm ranging him pretty conservatively @ TT+/AQs+. Hero is a nerdy MAWG playing tight. 8-handed. Thanks. OTTH :

Hero (UTG, $300): Q Q

Hero r $15, fold, Villain 3b $55, fold x 5, H c $55

Flop ($103): 9 6 5

H x, V b $65, H c $65

Turn ($233) : 4

H x, V b $120, H r $180 all-in

^this spot really sucks.
Especially at only 100bb it’s pretty tough to get away from this hand on this board. I’m pretty sure V has AA/KK, but if you range him with 10’s/JJ as well I don’t see how we can fold unless we’re at least 150bb deep.
After the action on the flop/turn though, I think you can safely remove the entire AQs/AK part of his range, but yeah, I’m still stacking off here as well. Tough spot. WP in my opinion. Sorry you ran into KK or AA.

3Betting AQs from utg+2 vs tight player, I think not. I would say, JJ+ and AK. You're oop. Fold. If your read is right I guess it's okay but he better not be a nit. If he missed w AK/AQ why not take a free card inpos vs a utg pfr and 3bet caller. Once you call flop why would he continue w pT's? You kind of need him to be a maniac 2nd barreler here.

I'm going to dissent and say that, when the stars are aligned, this is fine. Not ideal but fine.

I think it's a good rule to never 3! absolute trash. But when you have several reasons to think you'll get through via game flow, bet sizing and physical tells, it is OK to go for it as long as you have some emergency equity.

Wheel cards are nice because you'll sometimes connect with ace high boards, so you can bluff them a bit more.

You could be completely correct, and all those judicious thoughts crossed my mind. But regs who play PLO & dress the part are usually gamblers/barrellers, so yeah wrong or right I took what live reads I had to expand his range both pre & post somewhat -- but not proposterously so I don't think. Regardless if you think preflop is optimistic, by turn I put him on AA/KK & AKcc/JJ, & discounted TT, and our equity is ~ in the 40's vs that (and ~ high 30's if we take out TT completely).

Thanks for your input.

^so you lost to KK/AA, true?

I actually think you could argue for an extreme nit fold preflop. We're a tight guy opening UTG and it looks like he's 3betting from the next spot with the world to act behind him in a game that isn't getting out-of-line. I would wager that JJ- is flatted *far* more often in this spot than 3bet (especially in a pot with no other dead money), and that actually might even apply to QQ (Q: What do you do with JJ in villain's spot?). So now we're just hoping he has AK, but AK will likely work themselves into committing by the turn (where we'll only have a 3/4 PSB left) and we'll be OOP playing the guessing game.

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2/5. V limps UTG. V is 50 y/o Ethiopian (?) man, previously called a raise with A4o and called a $25/$65/$125 line from a tight V on 4-6-Q-6-6 runout against V's KK. He is playing his last $200 or so. After he limps folded to me in BB with QQ and I iso $25, V calls.

Flop ($50): J-5-4r. I bet $30, V calls. Turn ($110): 5. I bet $50, V raises all in $160 and stands up, ready to go home. Hero?

Thanks,
DT

@ DT : If this dude defends A4o pre, then he's got all sorts of 65/A5/95s-52s. He already called down earlier w/ what was probably Qx/full house, so he's sort of demonstrated he's not eager to value push TP type hands on the turn (though the SPR is a bit shallower here). Therefore pretty tough to put AJ/KJ hands in his range. Not to mention him standing up is usually a sign of comfort/strength iyam.

I agree standing up is usually a strength tell. But in the last hand he didn't have top pair (Q), he had bottom pair (4). Don't know what he would have done with a Q the previous hand.

We seriously folding QQ for $100 more when he could be spazzing with Jx?

Snap call.

Certain types of players will say time to go home, or stand up to leave when they really expect to lose or are not sure.

Especially true if he has lost a lot and has decided to just go with it for his last money.

Even if he has 2pair, you have outs.

If you think he has something like AJ/KJ, I agree you can't fold getting ~ 3:1. Not saying 100% one way or another what his exact range or our best action is. ES2 raises some fair points in this regard. Just saying a guy who seems weak/loose/passive is very very likely to call down vs ship Jx, even @ low SPR, especially on a safe board like this. However, 5x will be very quick to GII here iyam, & he has alot of them in terms of weight.

What happened with your pQ's hand and what are your thoughts on it?

Sure. Thanks for the interest :

call, this shallow with this description of V he can be spazzing with Jx or worse

https://redchippoker.com/infographic-pre-flop-ranges/

thoughts on this hand chrt? on tight side? how useful you think it is for 1-2NL vegas cash games?