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01-28-2019 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Try "Harrison of Cash Games." It's a bit more than one para, but it does work kind of like that.


Is he related to Jonathan Liffle?
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01-28-2019 , 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
1/3. V1 limps UTG, hero ($120) raises JhJd $15, SB ($100) calls, UTG calls. Pot $41. SB is a reg.

Flop: 89Thh. UTG checks, hero bets $30, SB jams $100, UTG folds. This is a snap call right?
Please calculate what equity you need, download Equilab or some other equity solver and plug in some ranges. You will be surprised at how little equity you need and how much you actually have.

You're smashing a tight range before we even get to how much is in the pot and how wide ranges really are.

Like you need 29%? Against all 2P, sets and straights, you have over 30%, that's excluding every draw and every TP hand which is obviously unrealistic. In reality you are probably ahead of his range, given how shallow we are, we see a lot of Tx sooooo fistpump snap call.

Last edited by WereBeer; 01-28-2019 at 05:43 AM.
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01-28-2019 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
1/3. V1 limps UTG, hero ($120) raises JhJd $15, SB ($100) calls, UTG calls. Pot $41. SB is a reg.

Flop: 89Thh. UTG checks, hero bets $30, SB jams $100, UTG folds. This is a snap call right?

Thanks,
DT
As played, it's a snap-call, but really you should be checking back on this flop in a multiway pot.
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01-28-2019 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
As played, it's a snap-call, but really you should be checking back on this flop in a multiway pot.
With $105 effective in a $41 pot, 3 handed?
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01-28-2019 , 10:26 PM
1/2 nl Kc Qc
Eff 300
Utg+1
Decide to play low variance and just limp hoping to see a flop.
Villain in late position raises to 20 after a few fellow limpers.
I hate calling a raise after a limp unless I'm purposely trying to trap with a premium pair.
First off it makes me look like a fish, and I don't want to project that image.
Secondly, I'm afraid of being dominated out of position against hands like Ak, AQ.
So I decided to fold.
How bad is my thinking? Should I always be raising my self when 1st to act here?
Should I always be calling a raise here?
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01-28-2019 , 10:42 PM
2/5. V is pro. Covers hero effective at $800. V raises BTN $15, Sb calls, hero calls AcQh.

Flop: Q-3-5cc. V bets $25, hero calls Sb folds.

Turn ($95): 4s. Hero checks v bets $45. Hero calls.

River: ($185): Js. Hero checks v bets $160. Hero? Note we have Ac eliminating some flush draw combos.

Thanks,
DT
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01-28-2019 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
1/2 nl Kc Qc
Eff 300
Utg+1
Decide to play low variance and just limp hoping to see a flop.
Villain in late position raises to 20 after a few fellow limpers.
I hate calling a raise after a limp unless I'm purposely trying to trap with a premium pair.
First off it makes me look like a fish, and I don't want to project that image.
Secondly, I'm afraid of being dominated out of position against hands like Ak, AQ.
So I decided to fold.
How bad is my thinking? Should I always be raising my self when 1st to act here?
Should I always be calling a raise here?
His sizing is huge. Barring a read otherwise it normally means a good hand and we're decently behind that range. And OOP. Fold.

But we probably should have raised the first time around.
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01-28-2019 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
2/5. V is pro. Covers hero effective at $800. V raises BTN $15, Sb calls, hero calls AcQh.



Flop: Q-3-5cc. V bets $25, hero calls Sb folds.



Turn ($95): 4s. Hero checks v bets $45. Hero calls.



River: ($185): Js. Hero checks v bets $160. Hero? Note we have Ac eliminating some flush draw combos.



Thanks,

DT
Looks like rivered QJ 2p or missed draws. Call.
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01-29-2019 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
With $105 effective in a $41 pot, 3 handed?
It's a really, really wet board, one that hits hitherto capped ranges hard. We have just one pair, worst overpair, but we block other straight draws hard, and have a blocker to the flush draw. We have showdown value that is less vulnerable than it might be.

And it's a multiway pot. We should be value-betting a tighter, stronger range than we would be head-up. Worst overpair almost certainly does not belong in that stronger, tighter range.
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01-29-2019 , 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
It's a really, really wet board, one that hits hitherto capped ranges hard. We have just one pair, worst overpair, but we block other straight draws hard, and have a blocker to the flush draw. We have showdown value that is less vulnerable than it might be.

And it's a multiway pot. We should be value-betting a tighter, stronger range than we would be head-up. Worst overpair almost certainly does not belong in that stronger, tighter range.
Our equity is far, far too good for this analysis. We're even money against two pair! The only hand to have us in really serious trouble is QJ. We have 39% equity against a range consisting of nothing but QJ, sets and two pairs.

Playing for pot control also isn't possible, as our remaining stack goes in just with turn and river bets. If the turn and river blank off, we're never folding this hand after checking it behind. We're a substantial favourite to have the best hand right now. Checking just allows action-killing cards to roll off and make it harder to get our value.

As an illustration of how much you're misunderstanding this spot, AA against the QJ/two pairs/sets range has only 19% equity, less than half that of JJ's. Not blocking straight draws isn't a good thing, as it mostly means more QJ combos and more hands like JT which are basically a flip against AA. JJ is our best overpair here, not our worst; it's a crushingly good hand. I'd bet it and GII to a checkraise substantially deeper than this. Even AA and KK I'd bet at this SPR, but I understand the argument for checking and would certainly check if deeper.
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01-29-2019 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
It's a really, really wet board
With small SPR and likely holding the best hand, this is an argument for betting, not for checking.
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01-29-2019 , 04:54 AM
Yeah we could easily be ahead of our opponent's range, stacks are shallow and we have a lot of our equity from our OESD. Thing is, if we miss our SD on the turn, we lose equity and if we hit, we no longer get paid off by top pair and two pair hands because the board is so dangerous. I want to get it in now.
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01-29-2019 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
1/2 nl Kc Qc
Eff 300
Utg+1
Decide to play low variance and just limp hoping to see a flop.
Villain in late position raises to 20 after a few fellow limpers.
I hate calling a raise after a limp unless I'm purposely trying to trap with a premium pair.
First off it makes me look like a fish, and I don't want to project that image.
Secondly, I'm afraid of being dominated out of position against hands like Ak, AQ.
So I decided to fold.
How bad is my thinking? Should I always be raising my self when 1st to act here?
Should I always be calling a raise here?
When facing a 10x raise, it would be fine to always either reraise or fold. At eff 300, I think calling being the right play is going to be very rare and not really much better than the second choice (raise or fold) anyway. Call and fold are both reasonable on this hand.

It's not like a horrible crime to limp this or anything but I would definitely recommend raising. The hand is a flexible one that's well worth a raise, one of my favourite hands actually, I'd say. A couple reasons I like it: you always flop either top pair, two overcards, or an ace. In the latter case, you're well placed to rep a strong ace. Also, I find people respect the Q on the flop less than a K or certainly an A. Like AK is a hand where if people get sticky on Axx or Kxx boards, you start to worry that maybe you're not best.

The other thing is that by raising, you set the price, and then hands like this one don't happen. If you get threebet after raising from EP, you can comfortably fold and feel good about not taking your hand up against something that dominates you.
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01-29-2019 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
2/5. V is pro. Covers hero effective at $800. V raises BTN $15, Sb calls, hero calls AcQh.
Come on man. Embiggen your cojones.

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Flop: Q-3-5cc. V bets $25, hero calls Sb folds.

Turn ($95): 4s. Hero checks v bets $45. Hero calls.

River: ($185): Js. Hero checks v bets $160. Hero? Note we have Ac eliminating some flush draw combos.

Thanks,
DT
This is a hard spot to eval, it revolves entirely around what villain thinks of you. In a vacuum a betting pattern of small-small-big is strong and villain could just have QJ here, makes plenty of sense. The other possibility is that he thinks you're scared money and that if he bets big enough you'll fold. I'm inclined to fold, but not sure.
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01-29-2019 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
1/3. V1 limps UTG, hero ($120) raises JhJd $15, SB ($100) calls, UTG calls. Pot $41. SB is a reg.

Flop: 89Thh. UTG checks, hero bets $30, SB jams $100, UTG folds. This is a snap call right?

Thanks,
DT
I'm fine with preflop at this small stack size. Got in 12.5% of our stack preflop which will setup a trivial commitment postflop with an overpair.

$100 stacks fly around pretty easily in my game and so even though it's technically a 2.5 overbet, I would just shove the flop as at this stack depth to this "big" a pot the bet will still be considered "reasonable". Otherwise betting large (I'd prefer a PSB for more value) to setup a turn shove.

Snap calling as played, we have a lotta outs if behind and could easily be ahead.

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01-29-2019 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Is he related to Jonathan Liffle?
George Harrison played guitar in a group called the Beatles and, little known fact, went back-to-back final tables just prior to the poker boom (and quite a while after his death, which was probably the most amazing feat).

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01-29-2019 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Come on man. Embiggen your cojones.



This is a hard spot to eval, it revolves entirely around what villain thinks of you. In a vacuum a betting pattern of small-small-big is strong and villain could just have QJ here, makes plenty of sense. The other possibility is that he thinks you're scared money and that if he bets big enough you'll fold. I'm inclined to fold, but not sure.
He knew I was a 1/3 regular shot-taking, so that certainly went through my head as well.
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01-29-2019 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
He knew I was a 1/3 regular shot-taking, so that certainly went through my head as well.


I wouldn't put a ton of weight to this. The bets aren't "that" big. Plus when playing against lower stake players I often think they are 1 pair stations unless they have shown a propensity to make some folds.

So a person playing higher can be looked at 2 ways
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01-30-2019 , 01:51 AM
Leveling yourself into thinking people are playing back at you and you only because of *insert reason here* in my experience is not a good strategy. I guess he’s a pro so it’s possible but I most people just don’t adjust much and I wouldn’t assume he thinks you will be money scared and over fold. In a 3 way pot I’m not even sure if folding AcQx is over folding here.

It’s a tough spot on the river for sure.
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01-30-2019 , 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Badreg2017
Leveling yourself into thinking people are playing back at you and you only because of *insert reason here* in my experience is not a good strategy. I guess he’s a pro so it’s possible but I most people just don’t adjust much and I wouldn’t assume he thinks you will be money scared and over fold. In a 3 way pot I’m not even sure if folding AcQx is over folding here.

It’s a tough spot on the river for sure.
It was. My first thought was to fold with the Ac and call without it. But I didn't have enough history with this V to justify folding such a strong hand with the BTN dynamic at play. Ultimately the tie breaker was his stone silence and stillness, so I called. He had a set of 3s. Meh.
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01-30-2019 , 01:43 PM
So my last session @ 1/3 I raised QsJs to $15 or $12 8 handed in EP and got two calls. One in the co and the other in the bb. The Flop was:

As Qc 7h

I checked because there's no reason to bet, a lot of Ax is in their ranges and the guy who was to my left is really fishy and doesn't fold. So the action goes CO bets $15 and bb calls. Do you overcall here? All of our outs aren't guaranteed to be good, but we do have the back door flush draw additionally. Also seems better to call if the ace is the suit we are drawing to so we don't occasionally get our lunch eaten being overflushed. Our implied odds are better than they would be otherwise with the fishy guy in there but generally wouldn't be very high in a spot like this.
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01-30-2019 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by haha_TP
So my last session @ 1/3 I raised QsJs to $15 or $12 8 handed in EP and got two calls. One in the co and the other in the bb. The Flop was:

As Qc 7h

I checked because there's no reason to bet, a lot of Ax is in their ranges and the guy who was to my left is really fishy and doesn't fold. So the action goes CO bets $15 and bb calls. Do you overcall here? All of our outs aren't guaranteed to be good, but we do have the back door flush draw additionally. Also seems better to call if the ace is the suit we are drawing to so we don't occasionally get our lunch eaten being overflushed. Our implied odds are better than they would be otherwise with the fishy guy in there but generally wouldn't be very high in a spot like this.
I'll assume $300 effective?

I actually fold in EP. I would also rather limp than raise, but that's me.

I'm fine with the flop check as we're mostly WA/WB.

Backdoors are highly overrated (especially OOP), imo; they're mostly just an excuse for people to justify getting in decent percentages of their stack with nothing on the flop in hopes of turning a draw (and then hoping for the best from there). I was planning on calling the first bet but when called on a fairly drawless board I lean towards a fold.

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01-30-2019 , 05:58 PM
2/5

Within the first hour at the table, so no significant reads. Stacks are all around 100BBs

Folds to hero in CO with KdJd. Hero raises to $25.

SB and BB both call.

Flop is 9d9sTc. SB and BB check. Are we c-betting here? If yes, are you still c-betting with no diamonds on the board?
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01-30-2019 , 06:32 PM
Why so large pre? Just curious. Are the blinds stationy? If so, v cool.

I cbet here yeah. Even no diamond. No big deal if we get x/r'd. Not like we're folding some great **** here.

If in a tougher game with more theory considerations, I'd probably mix bets with checks somewhat evenly. We raised in the CO so our range is plenty wide to have some bets.
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01-31-2019 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by haha_TP
So my last session @ 1/3 I raised QsJs to $15 or $12 8 handed in EP and got two calls. One in the co and the other in the bb. The Flop was:

As Qc 7h

I checked because there's no reason to bet, a lot of Ax is in their ranges and the guy who was to my left is really fishy and doesn't fold. So the action goes CO bets $15 and bb calls. Do you overcall here? All of our outs aren't guaranteed to be good, but we do have the back door flush draw additionally. Also seems better to call if the ace is the suit we are drawing to so we don't occasionally get our lunch eaten being overflushed. Our implied odds are better than they would be otherwise with the fishy guy in there but generally wouldn't be very high in a spot like this.
I tend not to overcall in these spots but it really depends on what I think about CO and BB.
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