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11-16-2018 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Badreg2017
I think you misread he hand I have A high no draw. He probably has most combos of TT+ Definitely has 2’s and 3’s. Might have full combos of 23s.
Oh man. talking about bad reads!
How come I thought you had Queens?
Sorry about that. I didn't even want to say anything about the hand since I consider my self more the advice taker rather than the advise giver. But I felt compelled after that harsh critique of your villain description.
the hardest thing to do is to categorise your opponents, I guess.
Only, that's one of my strengths I feel. I'm a little lacking in most other aspects of game. But I pride my self at least in being very good at that live, but it's admittedly not easy describing a villain sometimes.

Ok, he's a horrible player. You have A high with no heart draw.
And looking back, I misread the eff stacks! the irrelevant villain 2 has 200 behind!
lol. It's getting better all the time!
You took it like a professional BD, you won me over as a fan for sure.
Well, the effective stack is 500 and not 200, than we have room to maneuver.
This flop probably missed him more as well and he's probably just taking a stab at it. Ther's 145 bucks in there for the taking.
Raise to about 110, 120. That should do the trick.

I'd sometimes give up to be honest but as you described the villain, he'll fold if he has nothing and he'll get sticky if he has something so this is a very read dependent move on your part.

If you start to be able to accurately get a feel for your opponents, and you have better math and theory skills as me, you'll soon become GoodReg!
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11-16-2018 , 11:55 PM
1/3 Bellagio. V is 40 y/o Danish guy. Once saw him raise pre and triple barrel bluff with nine high.

Hero has 3! V three times in the last hour. Once he raised to $10 utg with T8ss and hero 3! KQss utg+2 and V hit a T. Second time hero 3! AQo in BB versus his btn open to $12 and he folded AQo face up. This time he opens to $15 from btn and hero is in BB with AKo and makes it $40. V instantly makes it $120. I ask if he'll show if I fold and he says he never shows (which we know isn't true from the AQ hand).

Hero? Effective stack is $300.

Thanks,
DT
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11-17-2018 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Badreg2017
I think you misread he hand I have A high no draw. He probably has most combos of TT+ Definitely has 2’s and 3’s. Might have full combos of 23s.
This has maybe gone beyond the stress point but I thought i just have to add,
A lot of times you probably have the best hand.
A viable option is also to just call the bet and re evaluate on the turn.
You have 2 overs to the flop, and even if villain has some kind of pair, you just might overtake him.
Or, if he is just bluffing with air, a villain like him will more than likely give up on the turn.
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11-17-2018 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
1/3 Bellagio. V is 40 y/o Danish guy. Once saw him raise pre and triple barrel bluff with nine high.

Hero has 3! V three times in the last hour. Once he raised to $10 utg with T8ss and hero 3! KQss utg+2 and V hit a T. Second time hero 3! AQo in BB versus his btn open to $12 and he folded AQo face up. This time he opens to $15 from btn and hero is in BB with AKo and makes it $40. V instantly makes it $120. I ask if he'll show if I fold and he says he never shows (which we know isn't true from the AQ hand).

Hero? Effective stack is $300.

Thanks,
DT


3 bet is too small oop. I’d go 55-60. I struggle to fold AK for 100bbs anyway but definitely not doing it bb vs button when you’ve been active already

Stick it in
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11-17-2018 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Seems to make sense to flat AA here then too?
I'd say so. Still very strong but keeps your range a bit wider.
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11-18-2018 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
1/3 Bellagio. V is 40 y/o Danish guy. Once saw him raise pre and triple barrel bluff with nine high.

Hero has 3! V three times in the last hour. Once he raised to $10 utg with T8ss and hero 3! KQss utg+2 and V hit a T. Second time hero 3! AQo in BB versus his btn open to $12 and he folded AQo face up. This time he opens to $15 from btn and hero is in BB with AKo and makes it $40. V instantly makes it $120. I ask if he'll show if I fold and he says he never shows (which we know isn't true from the AQ hand).

Hero? Effective stack is $300.

Thanks,
DT
If you are playing in this game regularly with other regulars, you are probably going to want to have some semblance of balance in your preflop 5-bet shoving range, and this would be the hand to do it with.

If you never expect to see anyone at the table again, it's okay to just call here and play poker on the flop.

I agree with feel wrath that your 3-bet is small. I would make it more like $50. ($45 would be my minimum, and $60 would likely be too much.)

NB: The description Once saw him raise pre and triple barrel bluff with nine high is not terribly helpful. All it conveys suggests is that the villain is capable of bluffing. (What was the actual hand, suited 98 or a piece of cheese like 93o? What was the villain's position? Did they open the pot, or raise limpers? What was effective stack size? What were the flop, turn, and river? Were the villain's bets attempts to supplement equity with fold equity, or were they pure bluffs?) As it is, the action as described could be anything from hopeless spew to solid, near-GTO play, with no insight as to where on this spectrum the villain falls.
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11-19-2018 , 06:45 AM
I need to get this hand off my chest. It happened yesterday and it's the worst hand I've ever played and I knew it as soon as I made the call. I'm honestly considered moving down stakes because of how badly I butchered this hand.

Sidenote: this hand has come after 4-5 hands where I made big laydowns and immediately after a hand where I got bluffed off of TPTK (when all draws got there on the river and villain floated me with nothing).

Live 2/5 500 effective. Hero has AcAd on the BTN. MP (calling station) opens to 20. Hero 3bets to 70. MP calls.

Flop Js 4d 3s (Pot 150)

V checks. Hero bets 80, V calls.

Turn 2s (Pot 310)

V bets 125, hero calls.

River Jd (Pot 560)

V jams 250. Hero calls.

V shows KsQs for obvious flush.

This is a hand where if I saw it on 2+2, I would laugh at hero for calling river. This isn't a "large pot" situation: this wasn't even one of the 3 largest pots I played that night. It's really memorable because I knew I ****ed up when I was even contemplating calling.
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11-19-2018 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Discretion
I need to get this hand off my chest. It happened yesterday and it's the worst hand I've ever played and I knew it as soon as I made the call. I'm honestly considered moving down stakes because of how badly I butchered this hand.

Sidenote: this hand has come after 4-5 hands where I made big laydowns and immediately after a hand where I got bluffed off of TPTK (when all draws got there on the river and villain floated me with nothing).

Live 2/5 500 effective. Hero has AcAd on the BTN. MP (calling station) opens to 20. Hero 3bets to 70. MP calls.

Flop Js 4d 3s (Pot 150)

V checks. Hero bets 80, V calls.

Turn 2s (Pot 310)

V bets 125, hero calls.

River Jd (Pot 560)

V jams 250. Hero calls.

V shows KsQs for obvious flush.

This is a hand where if I saw it on 2+2, I would laugh at hero for calling river. This isn't a "large pot" situation: this wasn't even one of the 3 largest pots I played that night. It's really memorable because I knew I ****ed up when I was even contemplating calling.
I won't comment on the hand itself because I play 1/2.
You were obviously on tilt from getting bluffed out of the TPTK hand.
You might not have realized it, but you were. And, you're still on tilt.
It's not the worst played hand in my humble opinion.
If I moved up to 2/5, the only time I'd consider moving back down is because of bankroll. Maybe you're not properly rolled for 2/5 and it's influencing your decisions?
I wouldn't move down stakes just because of 1 hand!
Hope that was of some help.
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11-23-2018 , 08:29 PM
River play/sizing question. 2/5/10

Folds to button (900) middle aged Asian guy who is ok thinking player who will stab post but never get a lot of money in without strong hands. He raises to 35.

I’m (1600) in SB with AKo and 3 bet to 120. Decent TAG player in bb ( 1700) flats and Asian flats. Background here is that bb has 3 bet me pre or taken it away from me post about 5 times already. I think he has mainly had nutted hands and I’ve been at the bottom of my range each time, but may see me as a bit weak tight.

Flop (370) is K 10 3 r and I bet 150. BB flats and Button folds

Turn (670) is 8h bringing a heart draw (I have Ah). I bet $280 and he calls quite quickly

River is a blank - forget but like a 7 or something

I’m pretty confident I’m ahead or chopping as I’m sure he’d have raised a set or two pair in the turn and a bet from me with my image should be very nutted so I’m not sure he’ll call with much I beat so do I .... cram to get him off a chop, bet small to get a crying call from QQ or KQss or check and hope he bets into me?
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11-23-2018 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
River play/sizing question. 2/5/10

Folds to button (900) middle aged Asian guy who is ok thinking player who will stab post but never get a lot of money in without strong hands. He raises to 35.

I’m (1600) in SB with AKo and 3 bet to 120. Decent TAG player in bb ( 1700) flats and Asian flats. Background here is that bb has 3 bet me pre or taken it away from me post about 5 times already. I think he has mainly had nutted hands and I’ve been at the bottom of my range each time, but may see me as a bit weak tight.

Flop (370) is K 10 3 r and I bet 150. BB flats and Button folds

Turn (670) is 8h bringing a heart draw (I have Ah). I bet $280 and he calls quite quickly

River is a blank - forget but like a 7 or something

I’m pretty confident I’m ahead or chopping as I’m sure he’d have raised a set or two pair in the turn and a bet from me with my image should be very nutted so I’m not sure he’ll call with much I beat so do I .... cram to get him off a chop, bet small to get a crying call from QQ or KQss or check and hope he bets into me?


Always betting because he is always checking behind. ~$650 or smaller because your sizes until this point have all been < 1/2 pot.. in fact you may need to go $400. Fold if raised as he is not giving you credit for bet folding. He does have some QJs in his range but I doubt he stabs with it enough to justify check-calling.

The way you worded the question though makes me believe villain has AK and sigh called (thinking you were AA) and you thought of “blowing off a chop” after the fact and thus the post... just results speaking there - I don’t think that is a good plan.
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11-23-2018 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bip!
Always betting because he is always checking behind. ~$650 or smaller because your sizes until this point have all been < 1/2 pot.. in fact you may need to go $400. Fold if raised as he is not giving you credit for bet folding. He does have some QJs in his range but I doubt he stabs with it enough to justify check-calling.

The way you worded the question though makes me believe villain has AK and sigh called (thinking you were AA) and you thought of “blowing off a chop” after the fact and thus the post... just results speaking there - I don’t think that is a good plan.


You’re Alive! WB

No results yet but AK is an obvious hand he can have here and that idea was something I thought about in game
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11-24-2018 , 01:36 AM
$1/$3 game
Laggy guy raises in HJ to $10, hero calls CO 87 button and blinds call

Flop 5 ways

Flop is T72
Everyone checks to hero in CO. Bet flop?
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11-24-2018 , 05:18 AM
Definitely checking.
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11-24-2018 , 06:41 AM
Yea with three uncapped villains left to act I think checking makes sense.
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11-24-2018 , 10:18 AM
Good to see you, bip!. Hope all is well. Agree on sizing.


Leobzook, definitely check. You have some SDV and no need to turn it into a bluff very multi-way, especially as this flop hits the blinds range hard and they may be looking to c/r. I assume that's why Badreg said there are three uncapped Vs left to act, BTN who hasn't and blinds who may be sandbagging.
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11-24-2018 , 11:44 AM
Feely, I lean toward a x/c targeting those 4 sweet combos of QJs. Don't expect to fold out AK except in the nittiest of games and only 2 combos of KQs and they might give up.
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11-25-2018 , 01:11 AM
Line check for this hand? Should we call it off OTT? The players behind me seem to make it more likely this is a semibluff. And is there merit to reshoving to fold out the other players equity or is this just a fold/call decision?

AQhs MP I 20 4 calls

Flop (100) 456ddh

BB x. I x and it checks through.

Turn (100) 456Addhs

BB x. I 50. LJ (30s HG) and BTN (70s WG but looser than typical OMC) call. BB (30s BG) CRAI for 375. I think he probably has a hand but no real reads except he is LP preflop, could be spazzing out with diamonds or 76 or AT. He probably has all the 2p set and 87 combos though. LJ and BTN have about 600 left I cover.

Hero?
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11-25-2018 , 01:26 AM
Pretty standard sigh fold.
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11-25-2018 , 03:01 AM
He can’t expect aces (3 vils) to fold, so i do.
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11-25-2018 , 04:29 AM
He has so much AX in his flat call range though...probably all of them up to AQ. I think this guy might play A9 like this because the flop checked through and he hit his ace and the pot is big so all in baby.

Do the guys behind me make me more want to fold or call? They inflate the pot making a shove with a semibliff very good as they aren't terribly likely to call after just flatting my bet, and I checked OTF so I'm pretty capped at 1p. But I don't know if he's this clever.
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11-25-2018 , 05:27 AM
He’s pretty much the only one who can have 78 but would he check that twice?
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11-25-2018 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
He’s pretty much the only one who can have 78 but would he check that twice?
From playing with him all night I don't think he plays 87 like this. I think he's weighted heavily towards semibluffs and pair+draw hands.

Anyway I did fold as did everyone else and he mucked. I think he shows if he had a set or better. He can still have aces up though he might CRAI with that to get money in good against the draws.

I didn't know all this at the time but still...I feel like I erred in folding getting 2 to 1.
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11-25-2018 , 11:37 AM
In order to have A9 here he'd have to be super clueless (Maybe A7 or A3). You pretty much announced you had top pair and now he is shipping it. The one obvious draw here is AdXd which seems like his most likely (semi-)bluff holding, that is if he's the type of player that will semi-bluff in this spot. Most players will just have it here...2 pair plus.
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11-25-2018 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Leobzook
$1/$3 game
Laggy guy raises in HJ to $10, hero calls CO 87 button and blinds call

Flop 5 ways

Flop is T72
Everyone checks to hero in CO. Bet flop?
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Definitely checking.
This. We do not have enough of a hand here to protect. It's not a disaster if the hand checks through.
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11-26-2018 , 10:02 AM
1/2 nl folding Aces

I have Aces UTG and just size my standard raise of 10 when there's no limpers behind.
Pot goes 5 ways
Flip is 87 and a 2
I bet out 35 and 1 fold and next villain raises it up to 150.
It folds to me and I sigh fold.
Villain was a ywg who won a few big pots and had my starting stack of
365 covered. Very quiet guy with headphones.
He tables 96, the open ended straight flush draw.
I obviously folded the best hand, but I ran over the odds with poker calculator.
They are as follows:
V 56.263
H 43.737
If I discard 2 random diamonds from the deck, to presume that two are dealt , he still is 53 to 47 ahead!
So, knowing villains hand, was that still a correct fold?

Ps. Is not utg an even worse position than the blinds?
Your first to act preflop. If I was in the blinds with all those limpers, I would have put in a nice raise.
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