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09-24-2018 , 03:14 PM
1/3. V/BTN is mostly TAG. MP raises to $10, hero calls in SB with 55. BTN calls too. Pot $27.

Flop: 4c-5c-7c. Flop checks around.

Turn: Jh. Hero bets $15. Both Vs call. Pot $68.

River: 9s. Hero bets $25. BTN raises $70. MP folds. Hero?

Thanks,
DT
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09-24-2018 , 03:44 PM
1/3, table mostly rec players, a bit nitty/passsive (on the older side), ~$250 eff

2 limpers, H raises 88 in CO to 18, BTN calls, BB calls, 1 limper calls, 4-way to the flop (~$72 pot)

Flop: AQ6 rainbow. Checks to hero. Do we ever c-bet this with 3 people in the hand? Feels like lots of random aces in their range (anything from A9o to AQs) or 99-TT. Was raising preflop a mistake at a passive table?

1/3, Same table

H raises 99 on BTN to $15 over 1 limper. BB calls (short stack $75 or so), limper (~$200) calls. 3-way to the flop (~$44)

Flop: T86 rainbow. H c-bets 25, BB short stack calls

Turn: Q, checks to hero, H checks back. (~$90)

River: some brick card (2 or 3), he puts the rest of his money in (~$35 into $90)

Despite a good price, are we ever good here with 2 overs on the board against a passive V?
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09-24-2018 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
1/3. V/BTN is mostly TAG. MP raises to $10, hero calls in SB with 55. BTN calls too. Pot $27.

Flop: 4c-5c-7c. Flop checks around.

Turn: Jh. Hero bets $15. Both Vs call. Pot $68.

River: 9s. Hero bets $25. BTN raises $70. MP folds. Hero?

Thanks,
DT
I think with $45 into $163, it's a shrug call. We only have to be right 1/4 times to be profitable. Not thrilled though.
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09-24-2018 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CowboyCold
Dear Mr. DombosTrunk,

Have you ever thought about getting a job as a hand history Vlogger at next year's WSOP? I think you would do very well at that.
What's a hand history vlogger? Are you trolling or are you for real? I honestly don't think I have the technological sophistication to vlog like Neeme, although it could be fun. From what Neeme has said, it takes a lot of time away from playing and it doesn't make nearly as much $ as playing. (And yes, believe it or not I make $ playing.)
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09-24-2018 , 04:23 PM
I meant Blogging. Recording HHs and posting them on the WSOP website. It is a paid position during the series. You are very good at posting them.
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09-24-2018 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
1/3. V/BTN is mostly TAG. MP raises to $10, hero calls in SB with 55. BTN calls too. Pot $27.

Flop: 4c-5c-7c. Flop checks around.

Turn: Jh. Hero bets $15. Both Vs call. Pot $68.

River: 9s. Hero bets $25. BTN raises $70. MP folds. Hero?

Thanks,
DT
I'm assuming you mean BB and not Button?

Preflop is ~meh going to a pot that could easily end up HU OOP without initiative unless MP is really bad or we know a terrible BB is always coming along. I mostly fold here, although obviously I'll get nit comments regarding that.

I mostly just donk the flop.

I'd bet more on the turn.

Any reads? Our betsizing has been fairly small, so perhaps he is taking this as weakness. But in general people don't bluff in these spots multiway, so I'd lean to bet/folding.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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09-24-2018 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CowboyCold
I meant Blogging. Recording HHs and posting them on the WSOP website. It is a paid position during the series. You are very good at posting them.
Oh cool. Thank you. I didn't know that existed. Do you know how to get the job?
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09-24-2018 , 04:36 PM
Opinion wanted: I have AQo at UTG with 90bb stack. This is deep stack game where most of the table has 400-1600bb stacks. For one reason or another I post live straddle although I know it's not good thing to do. The table consists of various types of players, everything from loose aggressive to tight passive.

TAG MP limps. HJ raises to 8bb. CO and button call. I call. MP raises to 32bb. HJ and CO fold. Button calls. Button has been playing extremely loose but won pots with luck. He's regular but seems to be playing spewy. I decide it's my time to go home, raise all in to 90bb. Both MP and button call and check down all three streets.

Button ends up taking the pot with his k5o by hitting the k. MP mucks, but I set him JJ,TT,AJ,AQ range based on his action and his TAG image.

Is this spewy play from my end? What would you do differently and why?
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09-24-2018 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by setintostraight
1/3, table mostly rec players, a bit nitty/passsive (on the older side), ~$250 eff

2 limpers, H raises 88 in CO to 18, BTN calls, BB calls, 1 limper calls, 4-way to the flop (~$72 pot)

Flop: AQ6 rainbow. Checks to hero. Do we ever c-bet this with 3 people in the hand? Feels like lots of random aces in their range (anything from A9o to AQs) or 99-TT. Was raising preflop a mistake at a passive table?

1/3, Same table

H raises 99 on BTN to $15 over 1 limper. BB calls (short stack $75 or so), limper (~$200) calls. 3-way to the flop (~$44)

Flop: T86 rainbow. H c-bets 25, BB short stack calls

Turn: Q, checks to hero, H checks back. (~$90)

River: some brick card (2 or 3), he puts the rest of his money in (~$35 into $90)

Despite a good price, are we ever good here with 2 overs on the board against a passive V?
88

I'm guessing we didn't expect to go 4ways but this is such a standard result in my game that I just overlimp after two limpers here.

I'm not betting this flop this multiway.


99

Think I'm ok with the whole hand, and probably sigh folding the river as I'm not sure what busted draw we beat and typically weak pairs just take their showdown here.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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09-25-2018 , 12:52 AM
Thanks for the sanity check.

Always get mental haze on a first session after a long break.
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09-25-2018 , 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
Oh cool. Thank you. I didn't know that existed. Do you know how to get the job?
No I don't. Just remember a thread on here somewhere about cash game pros who were padding their roll doing this. Bonus is you get to rub elbows with the biggest stars in the game.
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09-25-2018 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by CowboyCold
No I don't. Just remember a thread on here somewhere about cash game pros who were padding their roll doing this. Bonus is you get to rub elbows with the biggest stars in the game.
Oh rly? Where’s the link? I’ll search it if u don’t remember.
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09-25-2018 , 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
Oh rly? Where’s the link? I’ll search it if u don’t remember.
Think it might have been in marketplace and staking? But that was several thousand beers ago. Probably can find an employment link on wsop.com.
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09-25-2018 , 01:19 PM
5/5, $600 eff
I've been card dead for 3 hours, VPIP'd maybe 2 hands in that time frame.

UTG (old Asian rec player) limps
I raise to 25 in UTG+1 with QQ
HJ and UTG call

Flop (85): T22
Checks around

Turn (85): 7
UTG checks, I bet 45
HJ folds, UTG raises to 145

Hero?
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09-25-2018 , 02:08 PM
bet flop, call turn and any non-ace river.

why are you not betting flop? you could get away with $35 and get light peels from ace-high, 33-99, Tx & JJ.
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09-25-2018 , 03:12 PM
1/3 500-600 effective dont exactly remember my stack size at the time

V is super deep just consolidated into 1 table late on Sunday he came over from the other table with over 1k in his stack. Only hand I saw he 3bet UTG+1 to 40$ vs a shorty UTG open for 20$ (80$ effective) with 88 and got it in preflop vs deuces to hold up. I folded 99 in the small blind preflop because it was UTG vs UTG +1 and not wanting to get involved OOP and I knew I would see his hand anyway. Also appreciate comments on this spot is this too nitty of a fold? Does the fact that the shorty opened and he min3bet change the ranges to make this a 4bet or call?

OTTH

1 limp I make it 20 on the button with black 88. V calls in the BB limper calls.

Flop 6 6 5

x x I bet 25 V raises to 75 limper folds I call?

turn Q

V bets 100$ Hero?
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09-25-2018 , 03:21 PM
^

If you don't feel comfortable folding to the flop check/raise, then don't bet and instead just get to showdown as cheap as possible instead of putting huge stacks in play with a mediocre hand.

GimoG
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09-25-2018 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
^

If you don't feel comfortable folding to the flop check/raise, then don't bet and instead just get to showdown as cheap as possible instead of putting huge stacks in play with a mediocre hand.

GimoG
I think 88 is a must bet on this board. Obviously when V raises it can be thrown away, but you have to bet your good but vulnerable hands on these boards to deny equity to overcards and potentially get value from 5x, 77, and sticky AK/AQ.

Edit: Yes, I'd fold flop. If he does this with 5x or a draw, good for him. Most Vs at this level would not do that, however.

Last edited by DumbosTrunk; 09-25-2018 at 03:42 PM.
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09-25-2018 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
^

If you don't feel comfortable folding to the flop check/raise, then don't bet and instead just get to showdown as cheap as possible instead of putting huge stacks in play with a mediocre hand.

GimoG
So your argument is fold flop?

I would disagree that 88 on 665 two tone is not a mediocre hand, it is actually quite strong.

Edit: no one else is peeling here? What are you calling? are you folding your worse overpairs and calling your better ones? I think this V seems capable and able to bluff so I don't think its reasonable to fold all my overpairs here
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09-25-2018 , 03:36 PM
Are we just expecting the flop check/raiser to stop betting on the turn? Is our plan just to keep putting in huge money into a huge pot so long as the draws don't complete? And if we're thinking of folding a blank to a turn bet (which I think we have to do at this point) then we might as well have folded the flop because flop check/raisers simply bet the turn far too often.

And regarding the strength of our hand on this flop, the villain is now putting us in a position with his fully expected turn bet of leaving us with just a 3/4 PSB left on the river where half the deck on the turn leaves us with middle pair (and half the time even worse on the river). Unless we bink an 8, we're never going to have a strong hand that should be happily playing for 166bb stacks.

GimoG
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09-25-2018 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Are we just expecting the flop check/raiser to stop betting on the turn? Is our plan just to keep putting in huge money into a huge pot so long as the draws don't complete?

GimoG
Yes
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09-25-2018 , 03:47 PM
I call with 99 in the pf action you described given that I believe V would 3bet to isolate the short stack.

88 sucks here 200bbs deep. I think b/f flop is fine. But I'd probably just check, in which case you can bluff catch sometimes and/or pick up some straight equity sometimes. b/c cannot be considered with 88 on this board, villain is firing on every turn. I'd rather straight up kamikaze b/r than do that.
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09-25-2018 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by megamen70
Yes
In that case all I can say is:

a) your typical flop check/raiser plays turns a lot different than mine

b) I don't like our plan

Gplaysmallpotswithsmallhands,imoG
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09-25-2018 , 03:57 PM
How would you play your range on this flop? What overpairs would you call the check raise with?
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09-25-2018 , 04:00 PM
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How would you play your range on this flop? What overpairs would you call the check raise with?
There's not much difference between 88 and AA here unless we think he's tarping with something like QQ.

So I'd play them mostly the same. If I felt comfortable folding to a check/raise from this guy, I'd lean towards bet/folding (especially the smaller pocket pairs, whereas the bigger pocket pairs there is less risk in checking back). If I didn't feel comfortable folding to a check/raise, I'd check back (and might even do that with the bigger pocket pairs a decent amount of the time against non-ABC opponents).

Gbutthat'smeG
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