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08-01-2018 , 01:59 PM
pretty much flip a coin because you have what it looks like you have so either could be what V wants, need more info from in-game and previous hands

thought this spot was mildly interesting:

1/3, H sat with 220 and has only r pre once/cbet HU and won, still has 220. Table seems reggy and the time of year and location are apt for that. V is 30ish, seems reggy and prob a “pro” in some capacity and covers

V limps utg2, H 18 in COish with J♣️9♣️, folds to V who calls fairly quickly

flop A♣️Q♠️8♣️ (40)

V checks, H bets 25, V goes 50 after a short pause

prob should bet smaller here, AP i think jamming can’t be a mistake so that’s what i did, but calling might be better

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or... i can click it back to $99. if V calls i can decide to jam or check turn if he checks, and if he jams turn himself then i’ll be getting over the 3-1 needed to call, so as much as i usually scoff at raising to ~50% of eff stack it seems pretty good here.

felt pretty bad afterwards as he didn’t think long enough before calling with red AT and brick city for me
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08-01-2018 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3
Line check at 5/10, Villain is young euro pro.

Black JJ in SB
Villain in MP1 opens to 35, folds to me
I 3b to 115, Villain flats

Flop (240): Q74hh
I check, V bets 100, I call

Turn (440): 9o
Check, check

River (440): Qo
Check, bet 315, Hero?
fist pump snapple.
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08-01-2018 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by homerdash
pretty much flip a coin because you have what it looks like you have so either could be what V wants, need more info from in-game and previous hands

thought this spot was mildly interesting:

1/3, H sat with 220 and has only r pre once/cbet HU and won, still has 220. Table seems reggy and the time of year and location are apt for that. V is 30ish, seems reggy and prob a “pro” in some capacity and covers

V limps utg2, H 18 in COish with J♣️9♣️, folds to V who calls fairly quickly

flop A♣️Q♠️8♣️ (40)

V checks, H bets 25, V goes 50 after a short pause

prob should bet smaller here, AP i think jamming can’t be a mistake so that’s what i did, but calling might be better

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or... i can click it back to $99. if V calls i can decide to jam or check turn if he checks, and if he jams turn himself then i’ll be getting over the 3-1 needed to call, so as much as i usually scoff at raising to ~50% of eff stack it seems pretty good here.

felt pretty bad afterwards as he didn’t think long enough before calling with red AT and brick city for me
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Line looks good, this is the kind of board where we can apply pressure as the PFR. If he’s raising and calling it off with red AT we are owning him here with our GII range. As played you got it in with over 40% equity which is fine.

Also interesting to remember what it means against him in the future if he’s raising top pair here. His call range is going to be very weak.
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08-01-2018 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
fist pump snapple.
+1

extra low stress question
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08-01-2018 , 03:13 PM
I also pretty much snapple, but not high fiving the dealer snapple just because of the valueheavy line of betting flop/check back turn/betting river 3/4 pot from villain.
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08-01-2018 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Petrucci
I also pretty much snapple, but not high fiving the dealer snapple just because of the valueheavy line of betting flop/check back turn/betting river 3/4 pot from villain.
what river card would your prefer?
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08-01-2018 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 4_4
what river card would your prefer?

J obv so we end up stacking off to KT
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08-01-2018 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 4_4
what river card would your prefer?
I would prefer getting to showdown, aka that villain checks back the river. But when facing a riverbet this rivercard is obviously one of the best, if not the best- thats why i am calling too.

All i say is that i dont love the line villain went with here (aka we are beat more often than we may think), just because this line its so rarely a bluff. We have some Qx in our range too after calling the flop bet (at least some KQ/AQ ), but villain doesent seem concerned about that and fires the river pretty healthy anyway.
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08-01-2018 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3
Line check at 5/10, Villain is young euro pro.

Black JJ in SB
Villain in MP1 opens to 35, folds to me
I 3b to 115, Villain flats

Flop (240): Q74hh
I check, V bets 100, I call

Turn (440): 9o
Check, check

River (440): Qo
Check, bet 315, Hero?
Our MDF is 40%, and we are towards the top of our (solidly capped) range. Snap-call, shrug if we lose.
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08-01-2018 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3
Line check at 5/10, Villain is young euro pro.

Black JJ in SB
Villain in MP1 opens to 35, folds to me
I 3b to 115, Villain flats

Flop (240): Q74hh
I check, V bets 100, I call

Turn (440): 9o
Check, check

River (440): Qo
Check, bet 315, Hero?


I’m calling here 100% of the time.

Also, 3 bet slightly larger oop - I’d go 130/135
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08-01-2018 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3
Line check at 5/10, Villain is young euro pro.

Black JJ in SB
Villain in MP1 opens to 35, folds to me
I 3b to 115, Villain flats

Flop (240): Q74hh
I check, V bets 100, I call

Turn (440): 9o
Check, check

River (440): Qo
Check, bet 315, Hero?
What better hands do you ever play this way? Maybe some suited Qx that you decided to light 3 bet like QJ? AA with the Ah? Unless we are playing pretty damn exploitatively this is a call. I would guess villain weights your range more towards hands like AK, hearts, 99-JJ more than Qx so I wouldn’t be shocked if this were a bluff. It’s also true though that if he had Qx he would probably take this same line against your perceived range.
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08-03-2018 , 10:34 PM
Preflop question. Assume it’s 1/3 and everyone has $250-$400. button straddles. Villains are generally loose passive post flop and don’t like folding pre. Straddle is loose but not a maniac. 2-3 villains limp. You are in the CO/HJ, what’s the bottom of your opening and limping range? Assume CO and Button aren’t going to 3 bet light/wide. I’m not used to button straddle games and I’m wondering if I’m squeezing a tad too wide.
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08-04-2018 , 01:46 AM
Opening A7s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo, KQo, 66+.
Limping 55- and A6-. Or there abouts.
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08-04-2018 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Opening A7s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo, KQo, 66+.
Limping 55- and A6-. Or there abouts.
Thanks for the guidelines. I had A7s and 89s in this spot today and didn’t love any option.
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08-05-2018 , 03:48 PM
In multiway limped pots, how far are we pushing middling flushes when a flop bet gets called two ways? Never sure whether to get max value from smaller flushes/2p and just accept getting coolered? I always feel nervous getting stacks in in a limped pot with players who have an abnormally wide limping range.

5/10, $1700 eff
V is loose passive rec, flopped nuts as PFC and checked all 3 streets. Limps a lot of suited cards.

5 limps to me in the BB, I check with J6dd
Flop (65): T54dds
I bet 40, CO and main villain in BTN call
Turn (185): 7d
I check, CO checks, BTN bets 115
I call, CO folds
River (415): Ks
I check

Is this just a straightforward b/f all 3 streets spot? AP OTT, should I be C/R’ing and bombing river? Maybe check/call turn and donk river?
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08-05-2018 , 05:54 PM
I think its fine to either check-raise the turn (folding to a turn 3 bet if that should happen) and bet river, or check-call turn and check-raise the river unless villain chooses really big sizing on his riverbet where i can get behind a flat. If villain bets river like 200, we can check-raise to 600/fold to a 3 bet jam.

Check-call turn and donkleading the river as you mention on safe runouts is also decent line.
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08-06-2018 , 05:26 PM
1/2nl, Borgata

Recently moved to the table when my game broke, no good sense of anybody yet. The only thing I've noted about V1 was limping QQ in an almost-family pot.

Another limpfest comes along, V1 is EP or maybe BB, H is EMP with J9.

Flop ($16?): xTQr (one diamond). Checks around.

Turn: K (whichever suit the flop lacked). V2 on my right bets $16, H considers raising but doesn't, V3 calls, V1 raises to $45. V2 calls, H calls, V3 folds.

River blank. V2 checks, H bets $85. V1 raises to $255. V2 folds, H ... ?
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08-06-2018 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sirpupnyc
1/2nl, Borgata

Recently moved to the table when my game broke, no good sense of anybody yet. The only thing I've noted about V1 was limping QQ in an almost-family pot.

Another limpfest comes along, V1 is EP or maybe BB, H is EMP with J9.

Flop ($16?): xTQr (one diamond). Checks around.

Turn: K (whichever suit the flop lacked). V2 on my right bets $16, H considers raising but doesn't, V3 calls, V1 raises to $45. V2 calls, H calls, V3 folds.

River blank. V2 checks, H bets $85. V1 raises to $255. V2 folds, H ... ?
Bet flop. Raise turn, especially when V1 raises and V2 flats. Not sure why you’re slowplaying the effective nuts here. No need to give 2pair a free chance to boat up. Rejam river if V is capable of limping TT/QQ/KK. He’s never folding a set and you block AJ. Sorry you got coolered here but you have to get stacks in.
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08-06-2018 , 06:14 PM
Why are we acting before v1? Raise or fold pre. I'm not sure how we can give advice on the info provided. If you think his value range has some hands worse than yours...don't fold.
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08-07-2018 , 01:44 AM
1/2 Harrahs 4 handed

V is 30s WG is pretty average and can get value from good hands but plays too many weak hands without aggression to be a reg. H is 22 WG with a fair image but has been playing aggressively vs all the limping going on 4 handed.

Pre: CO folds, H raises to $10 w 7h6h, SB folds, V calls in BB
Flop($21): AsKh3d V cks, H bets $15, V calls
Turn($51): AsKh3dJc V cks, H cks
River($51): AsKh3dJcTs V cks, H bets $40, V goes into the tank for a long time and keeps on looking like he is going to pick up his cards and fold them but throws in a chip and shows KJo.

My question is what do you guys think of bluffing in spots like this. Is this a winning bluff in the long run?
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08-07-2018 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by dellerrrr
1/2 Harrahs 4 handed

V is 30s WG is pretty average and can get value from good hands but plays too many weak hands without aggression to be a reg. H is 22 WG with a fair image but has been playing aggressively vs all the limping going on 4 handed.

Pre: CO folds, H raises to $10 w 7h6h, SB folds, V calls in BB
Flop($21): AsKh3d V cks, H bets $15, V calls
Turn($51): AsKh3dJc V cks, H cks
River($51): AsKh3dJcTs V cks, H bets $40, V goes into the tank for a long time and keeps on looking like he is going to pick up his cards and fold them but throws in a chip and shows KJo.

My question is what do you guys think of bluffing in spots like this. Is this a winning bluff in the long run?
Otf his calling range is super inelastic so i think we should size down.

Ott good check

Otr in theory a mandatory bluff but vs typical live calling stations i just snap check back plus he traps Qx sometimes here
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08-08-2018 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3
Bet flop. Raise turn, especially when V1 raises and V2 flats. Not sure why you’re slowplaying the effective nuts here. No need to give 2pair a free chance to boat up. Rejam river if V is capable of limping TT/QQ/KK. He’s never folding a set and you block AJ. Sorry you got coolered here but you have to get stacks in.
I can't deny doing the wrong thing at every chance, which of course is why I question my river call. 4:30am, new at the table, a couple of the guys to my left seemed aggressive...but yeah, I play bad.

After a while longer at the table, I saw that this guy was never raising except with the nuts. AJ was absolutely his only possible hand once he put a raise in.
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08-10-2018 , 04:19 PM
5/10

T9hh BB
UTG limp
UTG1 raise to 55
HJ, BTN call, I call, UTG calls
5 ways to the flop

Flop (275): AQJr (one heart)
PFR checks, checks to HJ, who bet 200, 700 effective behind
Hero?
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08-10-2018 , 06:22 PM
3b or fold pre but really fold pre.

Fold now, we have zero FE.

Pre is a huge mistake this short and in this configuration.
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08-10-2018 , 09:46 PM
Yabbut we've got something like 35 to 40% equity equity. Given the pot and bet sizes, calling is profitable.
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