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02-02-2018 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
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02-03-2018 , 09:30 AM
Yep, playing in GG room is on my to do list before i die. Just because i would love to experience it with my own eyes, and because i (same as sailboats) suspect that some of those pieces are missing/or that we dont get the whole complete truth from GG impression.
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02-03-2018 , 12:24 PM
2/5 late night at casino

V stacked off for c/r 1100 OTR in dry side pot on 4 straight board with only a 1 card straight top end of straight. Opponent obv had the 2 card top end of straight. V is definitely a spot.

Hero (500-550, effective stack for hand) straddles OTB.
Couple limps
Random V makes it lol35
V calls
Hero calls with 55
Both limpers call
5 ways to the flop

Flop (175): 965r
Checks to pfr who makes it lol35
V raises to 125
Hero?

Call?
Raise to...?
Shove?
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02-03-2018 , 12:29 PM
$250 shove all non 4straight cards.
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02-03-2018 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
$250 shove all non 4straight cards.


how do you feel about ripping it? they’re gonna get a good price that way anyways
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02-03-2018 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by homerdash
how do you feel about ripping it? they’re gonna get a good price that way anyways
On a board with a flush draw maybe.
Scare too many people away here though imo.
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02-03-2018 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
On a board with a flush draw maybe.
Scare too many people away here though imo.


based on V and time of day, i kinda disagree and think he’ll call overpairs/2pair (and 78 ldo) often then go home
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02-03-2018 , 01:19 PM
Against described villain/spot/situation i feel like a monkeyshove allin, will get a very decent amount of calls.

I often use this line myself (often compared to alot of posters at this forum at least), with a successrate that often even surprises myself.

I use the term "bombsizing" when i flop nutted hands like for example sets and just blast the flop. In my recent Vegasgrinding trip, my successrate with this move was actually through the roof. Think i had a stretch where i counted like 10 sets in a row where i chose to bombshove/bombraise the flop and get full double ups each time, and other people at the table cant understand whats happenning.

You just got to make sure some general premises is there so you have a big chance of getting paid of (such as ranging villain for a valuehand he is likely to be unable to lay down, villain being tilted/down money,prone to level himself when he faces an unortodoxe sizing and so on)- wich likely seem to be the case here.
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02-03-2018 , 01:31 PM
Thanks guys

Results
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Hero shoves
Folds to V who tank folded
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02-03-2018 , 01:36 PM
Hand 2 (of 3) against V in post #4828

So V has been making these annoying raises and donks for a little bit now

V limps
Another V limps
Hero overcalls with A6ss
Another limp
Some V raises to 25
4 total calls including hero and V

800 effective

Flop (100): Tc8c3s
Checks to V who bets 50
Hero is only caller

Turn (200): 7s

V bets 75

Hero?

Last edited by johnny_on_the_spot; 02-03-2018 at 01:48 PM.
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02-03-2018 , 04:47 PM
Not sure I’d call flop but now I’m raising turn to 245 ish
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02-04-2018 , 02:16 AM
$1/3
Very early in session, no reads. Villain is like 30, white, hoodie
Hero - $300
V - $250

Hero raises to $15 with KQ Villain small 3! to $35 I flat OOP

K63

I check, he bets $40, I call

9

I check, he cuts out like $60, them just moves all-in for $175 in kind of a "Screw it..." manner
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02-04-2018 , 02:42 AM
I guess fold? Those hands are annoying but he's what - small threebetting and then cutting out $60 into like $150 as a bluff? Even though he reps a small range I think him having been dealt AA is a more likely explanation than him being an unusual enough LLSNL player that he's taking this line light.
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02-04-2018 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
Hand 2 (of 3) against V in post #4828

So V has been making these annoying raises and donks for a little bit now

V limps
Another V limps
Hero overcalls with A6ss
Another limp
Some V raises to 25
4 total calls including hero and V

800 effective

Flop (100): Tc8c3s
Checks to V who bets 50
Hero is only caller

Turn (200): 7s

V bets 75

Hero?
Flop call is bizarre in a 5-way pot. Raise now to like 250.
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02-04-2018 , 02:52 AM
I don't rely on live-tells very much at all. But, the cutting out chips and realizing it's not enough to get a fold and going back for more is a rare tell I sometimes go with...

During the hand it felt like he somehow had 2-pair, like value betting flop and then "not wanting draws to get there"... So shut it down!
But how's he have 2-pair?

Spoiler:
Oh, he does. He had K3o somehow
Just min 3! K3o. Alright...
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02-04-2018 , 02:58 AM
If you only do it occasionally, it's actually hard to cope with. You're going to be check folding a lot of flops.
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02-04-2018 , 05:08 AM
$2/3
My last hand of the session. Villain is early 20s and seemingly a good/winning reg.
Both of us have around $570 effective.

Hero raises to $15 from UTG with red QQ. Two callers and then villain in the BB reraises to $80, I call and the other two fold.
Pot: $190
Flop
T8ss6d

He cbets $110
I call
$410
Turn is Js
XX

River Jc he tanks for about 30 seconds before jamming for 380 which is my stack

I tank for ages and eventually call due to me being very close to the top of my range and also not having the Qs. QQ with Qs I probably fold. Villain is also good thus I can't really over fold here. His range is pretty much AA with a spade, KK with a spade, two combos of AJs and AKo with the A or Ks.
What do you guys think?
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02-04-2018 , 05:20 AM
I think I would fold unless you think he’s got the stones to do this with AK, AQ with a s?
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02-04-2018 , 06:01 AM
@jbk1993 its a 2/3 game and ur 15 dollar raise got popped up to 80? just fold and leave lol

As played its also a fold on the river.. Flush/straight got there on turn, ur not beating anything but bluffs..

I think V may play AJ like this. Turning the J and checking back his value, and value shoving river because ur range is capped after X/C flop X/X turn and X river.

But because of the lol 2x normal 3b sizing pre he prolly just has AA or KK..
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02-04-2018 , 11:24 AM
don’t see why V can’t have JJ/TT based on pre action, don’t see anything post flop that indicates otherwise unless he’s known to size differently with JJ oop on flop, and since he’s good betting top set there after large 3ball and a call is def realistic.

it’s only 4 combos by river but that nullifies 66% of the AK♠️x
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02-04-2018 , 11:48 AM
Lots of things about that hand are threadworthy. Why 5x? Why squeeze you here? Why call? Crappy cbet bluff board. Why are you ranging him on hands that could semi bluff the turn? Why didn't you stuff the turn? Do you have a rack out?
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02-04-2018 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Flop call is bizarre in a 5-way pot. Raise now to like 250.


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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Not sure I’d call flop but now I’m raising turn to 245 ish


Flop call was not good at all, pure frustration with how my night had been going.

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Based on the info from last hand, hero raises to 200

V tank folds, showing the Ts
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02-04-2018 , 12:09 PM
My guiding poker philosophy is "you can't steal on the turn, if you don't float the flop".
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02-04-2018 , 12:12 PM
Also - back door is the new front door.
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02-04-2018 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by sai1b0ats
My guiding poker philosophy is "you can't steal on the turn, if you don't float the flop".
i've actually been experimenting a little bit. people seem to think raises/check raises on the turn are nutted and otf on wet boards they are more drawy.

obv only anecdotal evidence, so take it with a pound of salt.
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