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12-27-2017 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sai1b0ats
I think he was reasonably concerned that he had to size small to keep the draws from running away from the paired board.
That's an argument not to pot it, sure, but not an argument to bet 1/3 pot.
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12-28-2017 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TTBH240
May be a pretty standard spot, but I'm not certain. Wanted a little feedback on this one.

Standard 1/2 game. Hero has $400ish after doubling up early. Fairly snug image. Standard table with standard villains. The main villain in this hand is an approx 40 y/o Asian male watching his phone with ear buds in. New to the table, been quiet so far. V is on the button.

A few limps to Hero who has 1010 in HJ. Raises to $12 (standard raise by Hero so far). 4 callers, so 5-way to the flop.

Flop: ($55-60ish) - KhQs9s

Checks through.

Turn: - 10h (two flush draws now)

Checks to Hero who checks his set with the gutter coming through. V on button verbally bets $60. V has $65 left.

Hero? With gutter coming in? But also having a disguised/underepped set? Thoughts on betting other streets?
$18 pre. I don't care what your "standard" open size is nor the table's "standard." We want to iso one limper with TT, not invite a calling cascade.

AP, with these stack sizes I just GII. V is on button so after it checks thru twice he could be betting with two pair, flush draws. If he has Jx we have 10 outs so whatevs.
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12-28-2017 , 09:11 PM
1/2 Harrahs.

Villain 1:Middle aged white guy, seems semitight the 1,5 hour or so i have played with him, this is his second open-havent been playing many pots. He goes 10 from MP. Started hand with about $180.

Villain 2 in the cutoff calls 10: Older persian guy, taking couple of shots at the table, and likes to see alot of cheap flops. Either for a limp pre or calling small raises. Have a hard time letting go of big draws, like K or A high flushdraws or open enders, even to relative big bets. Rarely makes aggressive lines himself. He have been hit by the deck getting paid off with the nutz couple of times, sitting on around $600.

Hero is on the button with red KK,making it $40 to go. Starting the hand with about $310.


Both villains makes the call ($123 in before drop) and flop comes 29J


Villain 1 shoves allin as first to act for his remaining $140. Older persian guy then instacalls in less than a second, tossing out 1 chip to make the call.

Hero?
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12-28-2017 , 09:13 PM
Does his best impersonation of older persian guy.
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12-28-2017 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Does his best impersonation of older persian guy.
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12-28-2017 , 09:30 PM
I was referring to this:

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Originally Posted by Petrucci
Older persian guy then instacalls in less than a second, tossing out 1 chip to make the call.
But I see you're deeper than that with him, so jam.
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12-29-2017 , 02:11 AM
I definitely jam the Kingalings there, but I don't know how much closer the decision might be in Nitville Nevada.
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12-29-2017 , 02:19 AM
I’d 3 bet pre slightly bigger - at least 45 and probably 50
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12-29-2017 , 02:22 AM
Calling is 140 into 400 and only leaves us 130 behind?

Presumably there are a lot of J hands and draws in both Villain’s ranges so we can’t fold i don’t think, unless we have clear evidence based on plenty of hours that these guys are gg level nits (gsorrynotsorryg)

Persian isn’t folding to our shove and we can’t really fold turn or river if we call flop so we may as well wager all our chips at this point.
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01-04-2018 , 08:28 AM
You're in the SB and you've been playing tight and winning. A lose player opens small and you know that he has a bet sizing tell. Another guy tries to limp call, and the dealer points out the raise and he calls. The button stares at his cards for a while before non-nonchalantly tossing in a call.

It's the perfect spot to steal, and you ramp up to do that. But, you look down at your cards and see a premium hand.

Now what?

What if you were on the button in an otherwise identical scenario?
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01-04-2018 , 08:39 AM
I'd probably rack up and leave since I don't even know my stack size.
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01-04-2018 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
I'd probably rack up and leave since I don't even know my stack size.
It's a general question, not a particular hand. The implicit question is, how much and how, if at all, do we alter our actions since we actually have what we were planning to represent with a bluff? With which hands?


Just assume nobody is short stacking. Or talk about how stack sizes would affect your decision. (Or don't, or whatever).
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01-04-2018 , 09:13 AM
For a normal stack size im going to raise as I normally do. We think that there is a lot of dead money and people will fold often. So raise.
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01-04-2018 , 01:12 PM
I don't see why we would ever limp a premium hand OOP against the described villains, so a raise is mandatory.
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01-04-2018 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ES2
You're in the SB and you've been playing tight and winning. A lose player opens small and you know that he has a bet sizing tell. Another guy tries to limp call, and the dealer points out the raise and he calls. The button stares at his cards for a while before non-nonchalantly tossing in a call.

It's the perfect spot to steal, and you ramp up to do that. But, you look down at your cards and see a premium hand.

Now what?

What if you were on the button in an otherwise identical scenario?


#1 this is oddly specific for a general question. #2 what exactly is the bet sizing tell from the opener? I’m assuming you mean he doesn’t have much.

Anywho, if you are in a stealing spot (blinds, button, whatever) and wake up with a real hand...then raise as you would on a steal. The few players that are paying attention enough that this is a good 3b spot will possibly 4b light or call wider which is a good thing. Generally, most live low stakes are not playing on this level so I wouldn’t worry about major strat adjustments.


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01-04-2018 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ES2
It's a general question, not a particular hand. The implicit question is, how much and how, if at all, do we alter our actions since we actually have what we were planning to represent with a bluff? With which hands?





Just assume nobody is short stacking. Or talk about how stack sizes would affect your decision. (Or don't, or whatever).


So you only want to have bluffs in your 3 betting range from the SB?
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01-04-2018 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
So you only want to have bluffs in your 3 betting range from the SB?
If I'm playing with people who know my 3B range from the SB, hopefully I'm changing tables soon.


What I'm talking about is a live poker scenario where you are extremely confident that everyone is week and it is a great time to steal, but then bingo bango, you have a hand that wants action.

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#1 this is oddly specific for a general question.
That's why I told a story with some little details. Maybe that just needlessly complicated things. You can switch the details for other details. But I was trying to illustrate those situations where you're very confident a steal would work.

So, that's a good point you made. If you follow through normally, maybe someone else will recognize that it's a great steal situation and try to police you.
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01-04-2018 , 10:35 PM
small hand from yesterday but I woke up thinking about it this morning.

2/5 with live 10 utg straddle. 8 handed. 900 eff. My image is ok. I've been fairly tight until the last orbit when I've played three hands. - won 1 hand with a raise and c bet and then won a 1.5k pot in a lol situation a few hands earlier. Finally flatted bb with AJo to an MP raise and a call and called down two streets on A high board and was good.

Villain is young Asian with headphones and watching a movie/tv show on his phone. He triple barrel bluffed when he first sat down when he raised utg with k9o but has done nothing out of line since then.

I raise to 35 with AJo. Only he calls in bb. Flop is A 3 5 hh, I bet 40 into 80 and he check raised to 125. He's definitely barrelling turn if I call flop

Fold, call, raise?
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01-04-2018 , 10:56 PM
what’s your position? do you have a heart?
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01-04-2018 , 10:58 PM
I probably check behind the flop a fair amount as we can call two bets on most run outs against this description.

AP, I lean toward calling this guy all the way down, but hard to quibble with folding AJ and saving a call down for AQ+. It might depend on how long he's cooled his jets since the triple barrel.
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01-04-2018 , 11:14 PM
No hearts and I’m EP

Agree re checking behind - I would often and think I should have here
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01-04-2018 , 11:26 PM
no hearts is a good thing bc we don't block bluffs (his bluffing range has all hearts), not folding to an Asian

checking behind is ok, but what's even more fun is betting like 1/4th pot in these spots with entire range. There is nothing people can do, if they x/r wide they are x/r'ing in a spot where you have a huge range adv, and since you use smaller sizing you can bluff-catch way easier. I've been doing it a lot lately on A high and loving the results.

don't get carried away with it, if its multiway or w/e just bet standard 50-60% pot imo.

also, whether the A is the non heart is important, bc a lot of people x/r the Ahxh combos here (even though they shouldn't rly)
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01-05-2018 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
small hand from yesterday but I woke up thinking about it this morning.

2/5 with live 10 utg straddle. 8 handed. 900 eff. My image is ok. I've been fairly tight until the last orbit when I've played three hands. - won 1 hand with a raise and c bet and then won a 1.5k pot in a lol situation a few hands earlier. Finally flatted bb with AJo to an MP raise and a call and called down two streets on A high board and was good.

Villain is young Asian with headphones and watching a movie/tv show on his phone. He triple barrel bluffed when he first sat down when he raised utg with k9o but has done nothing out of line since then.

I raise to 35 with AJo. Only he calls in bb. Flop is A 3 5 hh, I bet 40 into 80 and he check raised to 125. He's definitely barrelling turn if I call flop

Fold, call, raise?
How long ago was the triple barrel bluff? If he is raising with the flush draw, I just call, but we don't know what he is raising with obviously. If you can put him on a FD, then maybe a 3bet here is the best play, especially if you are 100% sure he is barreling the turn if you call.

If we give him credit for actually having a hand here: A5, A3, 55, 33, AQ then it's definitely a fold, since we have very little equity to continue.
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01-05-2018 , 01:14 PM
1/2 NL live casino game.

6 hands into a new table. No reads. My image is likely aggressive since I have raised 3/6 hands and cbet the flop each time (got a nice run of cards). One opponent has commented on my aggression already as these games typically run super passive.

2 limpers before me in middle position. I limp Th9h.
2 limpers after me including villain in CO
6 handed to the flop. Pot is ~13.
Flop comes Td 9d 7c.
First to act checks. Second to act in UTG+2 bets 12.
Hero calls 12
CO raises to 30. UTG+2 folds
Hero? I decide to call 18.
Pot is ~78 after rake
Turn is 3c
Hero is first to act and bets 20.
Villain in CO raises to ~170 and is all in. Hero has about 160 left.
Hero?
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01-05-2018 , 01:22 PM
raise pre, raise flop, as played don’t donk turn, as played don’t think there’s enough 97/AT/whatever for V to outweigh 77/J8s/68s

i mean calling might be ok since you might be getting sheriff’d but you lose a good amount of the time
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