i lost to K♦️4♦️ btw

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This is why I check/call to this very multiway flop action. We likely don't have nearly as many outs as we think we do.

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2/5 9 handed $500 effective.

Hero has returned from dinner having a lousy night around $300 stuck $20-$50/$60 at a time

Hero AdAc (utg) raises $25 , 2 folds, mawg not good not terribad, calls, more folds another mawg whom I'm readless on after 30 minutes (nothing eventfully before dinner nor remember seeing a hand from him go to showdown, never seen before) calls

Flop($75) Ah5s7s.

Hero checks which I don't hate 3 handed and 100bb effective looking to finally win a decent pot, and probably will only get called by flush draws by them on this board.

Checks through

Turn($75)9s Hero bets $50 1 fold,1 call.

River ($175) 2s. Hero checks V bets $85 . Do we hero call here often fairly readless getting 3:1?

Bet the flop.
Bet the turn.

Fold the river.

To much missed value from draws to be checking here.

But as played do we still fold? Got shown a bluff here (Td8d) which was not expecting.

it's an easy fold AP imo. value combos greatly outweigh bluffs. a ton of the bluffs have modest SDV and we could be sitting on K high no spade. (most Villains aren't turning T9 no spade into a river bluff, whether they should or not)

Pre flop I’m happy to take a flop especially oop with our exact hand.

Flop: when we check raise big, H is repping 88, 33, J8, and possibly AJ that H competed with.

To me V range looking a some like

AJs, AdQd, Ad7d, Ad5d, Ad3d-Ad2d, KJs, KdQd, QJs, J9s+, 9d7d, 7d5d, AJo, KJo, QJo

I think I might be a bit too generous with Jx combos, AQ/KQ is also borderline since V might raise with that pre especially IP. But he’s loose passive so left those in.

Vs that range H is 78% to win. It’s about 180ish in the pot after the flop, $130 left, c/calling isn’t bad if V bet some of his strong Jx here, doubt he will though. But can he call with, say KJ?, maybe. I like a shove hoping he calls with a J, I don’t think he has a Flush that’s worst than ours, his flushes are almost always better, AdXd, KdXd, QdXd, only 75dd is worst than our flush, maybe 74dd.

I’d shove.




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I think this is a good place to ask this question. Over the course of the session, I ran two unsuccessful bluffs, 1 where H ran into V top portion of his range, and 1 where H made a bad timed bluff (a few orbits after the first one failing, and showing so V in hand 2 knew I was capable) on the river after semi bluffing turn.

Questions
1. After the first unsuccessful bluff, how should H have adjusted?
2. The 2nd bluff came shortly after the first one, H had AKo, opened from MP 15, button calls, hu ($300 eff at 1/3) to flop: JTXr, 20/call, Turn 2, a neutral card, I thought A, or K would be good, along with Q obv, H db 70/tank call. River bricks, H empties the clip 180 into 210ish, V tank calls and is good
3. I’m not likely seeing the V in hand 2 again (first time I saw him) but will see about 5-6 regs. Over the course of a few sessions, how should H adjust to these regs? They’re not the sharpest players, but def capable of making stubborn calls knowing H can pull the trigger. Value bet more, bluff almost 0% for a while?

1. Tighten up. Next time you are in a similar situation go to showdown with a monster. That would have everyone wondering whether you have it or not for the rest of the session.

3. I would only show big hands for a while and then mix it up again.

Villian tendencies and quality of the spot more important than hero image imo. Our Villains aren't paying attention, and those who do will still play how they play more than adjust to us. Bluff Villains who want to believe you and bluff ideal scare cards. A clean image helps of course, but mostly we have a sucky image or we don't.

For sure



In this instance, for the short term our image is pretty sucky is what I'm getting at . So adjust as Nutland mentioned above?

On a side note, I do agree with most V not adjusting even when they're paying attention.

Max value bet sizing

Brand new to table. Main V is random MAWG $540 eff in a 5/5 game.

Fold to Hero in HJ who goes $20 w/ QT

1 call in position. V calls out of the blinds.

$59

QT8

x, Hero $35, c, c

$163

Q

x, Hero $55, f, c

$273

6

x, Hero?

pre-tip the dealer, jam, and high-five your neighbor.

villain who is closing action on each street is less likely to have a Q, more likely to have a draw that bricked. He's not folding a Q and not calling another bet with a missed draw, so a jam looks good.

Wager all of the spherical betting units.

So...check?

Why so small on the turn? If you had bet around $110, you make more money from his draws that brick river and won't pay off, plus you'd have a PSB jam for the river.

I think he was reasonably concerned that he had to size small to keep the draws from running away from the paired board.

May be a pretty standard spot, but I'm not certain. Wanted a little feedback on this one.

Standard 1/2 game. Hero has $400ish after doubling up early. Fairly snug image. Standard table with standard villains. The main villain in this hand is an approx 40 y/o Asian male watching his phone with ear buds in. New to the table, been quiet so far. V is on the button.

A few limps to Hero who has 1010 in HJ. Raises to $12 (standard raise by Hero so far). 4 callers, so 5-way to the flop.

Flop: ($55-60ish) - KhQs9s

Checks through.

Turn: - 10h (two flush draws now)

Checks to Hero who checks his set with the gutter coming through. V on button verbally bets $60. V has $65 left.

Hero? With gutter coming in? But also having a disguised/underepped set? Thoughts on betting other streets?

"Circular"? Almost.

"Cylindrical"? More precise.

Not spherical.

[QUOTE=TTBH240;53284934]May be a pretty standard spot, but I'm not certain. Wanted a little feedback on this one.

Standard 1/2 game. Hero has $400ish after doubling up early. Fairly snug image. Standard table with standard villains. The main villain in this hand is an approx 40 y/o Asian male watching his phone with ear buds in. New to the table, been quiet so far. V is on the button.

A few limps to Hero who has 1010 in HJ. Raises to $12 (standard raise by Hero so far). 4 callers, so 5-way to the flop.

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Why do we want five ways to the flop? In my games a raise to $12 might get six or seven ways to the flop.

More pre, and fewer of our Villains will get there on the flop or turn because there will be fewer of our Villains trying to outdraw us.

Sounds like you're not increasing your raise size after limpers. Your standard raise should be $x + $2 per limper, not a flat $x.

Meh. I mean, it's probably right to just fold, but getting it in can't be that bad. Honestly in real life I probably shrug get it in so that I'm not annoyed if I fold and he shows a flush draw.