Your SPR was in range for JJ so by leading out $50 on the flop, you're committed. If unsure whether you wanted to commit, you should have checked for pot control. AP I'd shove. Btw your pot & V2 totals are off.

...sorry, I misspoke while multi-threading and got my wires crossed. You're certainly not committed vs V1 but I still like a check on this flop. AP, you lead $50 and are unsure how to proceed once raised OOP. Point is you need a plan before leading this flop.

Totals off? PF: 3x20 plus a few limpers = 60 + probably 10 = 70 (not 75) OK

Post flop:

75+50+50+65 =$240.

I think I did commit, probably could have checked flop and maybe call a potential float or see if the drawing hands checked behind. Agree on the shove.

Results:

I believe you're omitting V1's flop call; 75+50+50+115=290

True. So even more important to raise or call here and not fold.

OK, so this isn't a standard C-bet situation? I raised 20 pf. Could easily have AK. Would expect draws to call, not re-raise all-in.

Checking seems weak.

Needed to think more about whether V1 could have a king, otherwise I'm shoving into a better hand, not a great situation.

What about a bigger bet on the flop and just taking it down there? I guess I think $50 allows me to get away with not too much pain. Is this a bad way to think about it?

1/3, effective stacks 'bout tree fiddy.

V: Reg, rather TAGgy, def opens in late position much wider than the average LP. Bet sizes pretty well. Almost certainly a winner in the game, but gets entitlement tilt and sometimes tries to target those he think won chips from him "unjustly." Got very tilted about a super LP MAWG who called a series of big bets and rivered V a couple of hours ago. Proceeded to do same thing to hero, and then apologize for his bad play saying "I should never have called there, but I'm on tilt. I'm just sorry it was you I sucked out on."

Hero: MAWG, semi-reg. Known to V who probably sees hero as too tight pre, but otherwise solid. Has been three-betting V from the blinds quite a bit this session, partially because I'd been getting big hands in the blinds a lot, and partially because bad LAG had been to my right when V was two to my right flatting a ton of V's LP opens, giving me a lot of good spots to squeeze. Hero may have somewhat tilted image, having both taken a couple of beats and having twice been caught triple barreling wet boards and getting called down by weak TPs.

Bad LAG is gone now, and V has moved to hero's direct right.

Two limps to V who raises OTB to $20.

Hero makes it $60 with QQ. (As mentioned above, this is prob the sixth or seventh time I've 3-bet V from the blinds. Most of the others he called and folded to my c-bet OTF.)

Folds back to V who tanks a bit, cuts out a call, and then says "I'm all in!"

Hero? What do we think his range is here?

Garick,

Effective stacks is that in bb or $? I presume $, but it would make a huge difference being 350bb deep.

Is there some other game situation that made V want to move to your direct right? If V's read on you is that you are too tight pre, and solid, then his move to your right is lol-tastically bad.

His range is [KK+, AK] and I would just fold, unless he's still tiling, and if so then its [PP,AK,AQ,Axs] and I would snap him off and then enjoy being on his direct left while he steams.

Just for some extra info here, you say you have been 3 betting this guy alot earlier in the game, about 6-7 times. In those hands, how did villain respond to your 3 bet in those hands? Did he flat seing flops or is he the instafold to further aggression type of villain? Does he looks visually frustrated when he gets 3 bet by you over and over?

Like its tempting to think villain is getting tired of being hammered on by you preflop and is taking a stand with whatever hand he finds good enough at the moment. I certainly woudnt be surprise to se hands like at least JJ and AK in his allin range here with this dynamic.

But what is really important to know in terms of being able to range him somewhat accurately in this spot, is if he is capable of "losing his head" wich causes him to overvalue hands like 88 and 99 as an example. Like, alot of tight rocks pretty much never shows up with anything else like QQ+ or AK here, even though you been 3 betting them almost routinely in the session. Like the robot players,their stackoffranges pretty much never changes.

Probably ranging him at 2x AKs, 3x JJ, and QQ+.

I kinda want to call but that range suggests that it's a fold.

We need to call off what looks like $300 into $420 so we need 42% equity.
We need him to be shoving with all JJ+ (AK doesn't really matter) to just make that mark.

Probably pretty close either way. It's at worst a -$60 mistake, and at best a $80 correct call, with the actual answer being somewhere in the middle imo.

Also, being $370 deep here vs $330 deep can make a decent difference here. How close to $350 are we?

Hero calls his tilt range is as wide as ATs+, 99+

$350. He is def still muttering about how bad he's been running. He moved one seat to the left when bad LAG left. Not sure if to get out of the one seat, have position on the rando who would come in to fill the empty seat, or get to the hot seat (bad LAG crushed), or some combo of the above.

His general response is in the HH. Mostly calling and folding OTF. He has definitely expressed his frustration when he gets 3-bet, but IDK how much it widens his rage, which is why I posted the hand. He's def no robot, though. I've seen him raise bigger and wider when frustrated, especially OTF. Not sure about pre.

Not 100% sure, but over $350 and not more than $375. On the lower side of that range, I think.

If so i think its pretty close after all, when we are well over the 100 BB mark here- and we havent seen proof of villains possible spazz tendencies pre.

I am pretty much on board with iraisetoomuch on this one. Its probably not a huge mistake if we fold, and its probably not a huge huge + situation for us if we do call. Its pretty marginal all things considered right.

With all the info provided (wich is good and detailed), i think its difficult to range him much wider than JJ+ and AK here. Sure, he _may_ show up with combos of 1010 or AQ here, but we simply dont have any valid reasons to range him that wide yet in this kind of spot with the info available.

My experience is that IF villain is the sort of player who can make this kind of ship on spazz/tilt you would have known so by now, because it would have manifested itself in his game in potenially alot of spots earlier in the game.

I'm cool with the 3bet sizing although I might make it just a smidge more due to being OOP and QQ doesn't always flop great (i.e. a little bit more cooler with taking it down preflop).

6 or 7 3bets in a session against one guy is like, a lot, right? I mean, I would probably have you pegged at maniac status if you haven't shown many of these down (and yet can't reconcile that with the fact you probably have your shirt tucked in). Too lazy to stove, but I'm guessing even simply adding AK to his AA/KK shove range probably makes snap calling profitable, let alone a bunch of other hands.

Given this dynamic, I think (???) it's a cooler if he shows up with AA/KK.

ETA: Lol, is it possible he's moved to your right to limp/reraise you cuz he thinks you're too active? I mean, 6 or 7 3bets against one guy in a session seems insane to me, and I'm sure he's thinking that, no?

ETA: Also, does AA/KK really 4bet shove against someone they consider might be 3betting a lot? These hands want action, and all a shove does is allow you to fold all your crap which is most likely what you have. Or is he doing this as some sorta odd favour for you (feeling bad about prior suckout)?

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Yes, it's a lot. I had him pegged for light BTN/CO opens, and the bad LAG called almost all of them, so I was 3-betting a bunch, and calling a lot with speculative hands even though I was OOP, as I could count on bad LAG to bet for me if I flopped gin.

I was basically 3-betting my premiums and the top of my folding range (KTs, etc.). I also had one total airball in there early on when my image was more rockish.

V may see me as overaggro at this point. Very recently prior (2 hands ago), Hero raises ATo in CO, gets called by BTN LP. Flop QTXss, BTN calls my c-bet. Hero barrels a blank turn, putting BTN on mostly FDs, a few Qs or strong Ts. River comes another Q that completes the FD and BTN is visibly consternated, so hero takes a chance on a post oak bluff. BTN goes deep in the tank, and finally calls with Q2s.

lol
Snap it off.

Like sure this time you might run into AA/KK, but he's def getting it in here with 100% of JJ too, and maybe a tiny bit of TT.

Variance gunna variance.

And ~20% of the time you will suck out in the nightmare case.

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Yeah, that was exactly my thought process. Figured I was basically flipping against his range, and snap called. I had him pegged at JJ+, AK, maybe a couple of combos of Ace-face suited, and several combos of lower PPs.

Posted it here because I wasn't sure if I just ran in to the top of his range or mis-ranged him badly.

As everyone who noticed my earlier post in the chat thread already knows:

If I've been 3betting someone a bunch, 3bet them with QQ and they shove on me for ~120bb, I'm pretty much always snapping unless they are a nit. People will turn up with all kinds of random stuff in a spot like this. If you think he's ever going to be slowplaying preflop as well, then it's for sure a call.

i dunno, i like IRTM's first answer the best after reading all replies

he could use a fancy ~120 sizing with some of the weaker hands in the revised range, if he really is trying to 4bet rumble

First hand at a table last night. 8 handed, 1/2, ~9pm on a Thursday.
Most of the table is straight forward regs who I have a bunch of history with. But they all end up being useless in the hand. $300 effective.

Hero limps in with KQs from UTG.

Stationary whale limps in from MP, 2 other limpers from LP.
Unknown in the BB raises to $13. Station is gunna station, and late position limpers have both all but folded.

V is maybe a 30ish dude, wearing a hoodie, no sun glasses. Chips stacked in 100's, shuffling chips slowly, and threw the $13 out rather casually. I'm in the 1 and he's in the 9 so I can't get much else from him. And it's literally the 1st hand, I don't even have my chips yet.

Hero calls?

Station stations. Other fold.

Flop K22r ($36)
V checks
Hero bets $15
Station folds
V calls

Turn 2dd ($66)
V checks
we?

I also prefer a limp in EP with KQs. I also think it's probably just fine to fold.

We're getting decent IO to call preflop, plus will be in position on the raiser (although kinda terrible relative position postflop with him to act just before us), and calling will most likely bring in others and our hand plays well multiway, but the SPR won't be nearly as high as we'd like. I probably call here to but I'm guessing it's not great by any means.

I also bet the flop, basically targetting the station.

When the station folds, I think the best way to target the Villain is to check behind. Are we really getting 3 streets vs worse? Are we really concerned about his 2 outer? Go for one more street of value on the river, imo (and limit the losses when we're ~drawingdead).

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I'd usually check turn and try to make it look lite we were just taking a stab OTF since PFRer checked. This may well get us some value vs. his PPs OTR, though with a trips board I don't think we get any value from described V if he hits a random flush. Betting every non-ace/deuce river, if he checks again. Prob just calling if he donks.