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05-01-2016 , 08:30 PM
Folds
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05-01-2016 , 08:42 PM
Seems like a straight math problem.

6 - 8 good outs (discount the 5c and Tc a little although no real sense that anyone is on FD). Possibly 2 other outs on the 8s. Call it 9 probably outs. 36% or so equity if you get to see to the river. Pot is offering 175 on 75 (>40%). Implied odds significantly higher especially on the non-club straight cards.

Into that mix you have to worry about V1... you'd like a call there, improving the odds. And, of course, you might have to face a big turn bet to get to the river.

All in all - I like taking one off here (and if he was nitty enough - I could see trying to blow him off the hand).
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05-02-2016 , 05:04 AM
Didn't want to post this as own thread because it's really only about the flop decision after my plan went to crap.

Scene: Late night gambooly 1/3 table with 5 stacks between 400 and 600 with a couple of shorties (100ish). That said 3-bets seem to get respect if large enough.

OTTH

V - Steaming Asian - was playing more snug than most of the table (sans hero) until a cooler, then a couple hands later he lost w/ a big missed draw in a multiway all in. Earbuds, eyes glued to phone.

Since then he's played 5/5 hands, running his stack from 220 to the 450 or so and down to the 312 he's got now. One where he was second caller OOP to a 20 raise from MP, and won a decent pot flopping boat with 45o. Another where he shoved into decent multiway pot with a non-nut flush draw and lost.

V (312) raises to 11 utg+1, four calls to Hero (565) OTB who raises to 65 w/ KTo hoping to take it down right there. Folds to V who calls quicker than I'd expect given his steaming opening range and LOL 11 pfr size for this table.

Flop (172 after rake) Q93ss

V checks rather quickly. Hero bets 110( prob too big), again hoping to take it down. I know this is a pretty wet board. V thinks for about 10 seconds before shoving all in for 137 more.

I say "Well ****." and start running over the pot. I've got king high with a decent amount of perceived outs, but I've got to call now right? Especially if he's got ANY bluffs in his range (including the most likely missed mid pocket pairs). And I think he does given recent history.
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05-02-2016 , 08:06 AM
Lol
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05-02-2016 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by nicname
Didn't want to post this as own thread because it's really only about the flop decision after my plan went to crap.

Scene: Late night gambooly 1/3 table with 5 stacks between 400 and 600 with a couple of shorties (100ish). That said 3-bets seem to get respect if large enough.

OTTH

V - Steaming Asian - was playing more snug than most of the table (sans hero) until a cooler, then a couple hands later he lost w/ a big missed draw in a multiway all in. Earbuds, eyes glued to phone.

Since then he's played 5/5 hands, running his stack from 220 to the 450 or so and down to the 312 he's got now. One where he was second caller OOP to a 20 raise from MP, and won a decent pot flopping boat with 45o. Another where he shoved into decent multiway pot with a non-nut flush draw and lost.

V (312) raises to 11 utg+1, four calls to Hero (565) OTB who raises to 65 w/ KTo hoping to take it down right there. Folds to V who calls quicker than I'd expect given his steaming opening range and LOL 11 pfr size for this table.

Flop (172 after rake) Q93ss

V checks rather quickly. Hero bets 110( prob too big), again hoping to take it down. I know this is a pretty wet board. V thinks for about 10 seconds before shoving all in for 137 more.

I say "Well ****." and start running over the pot. I've got king high with a decent amount of perceived outs, but I've got to call now right? Especially if he's got ANY bluffs in his range (including the most likely missed mid pocket pairs). And I think he does given recent history.
Shove or check flop, AP is a call.
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05-02-2016 , 01:01 PM
I think you do have to call...try not to blush as you rake them in on K high
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05-07-2016 , 02:12 PM
Given three short stacks who have been raising often, hero open limps AA in MP. Tight deep stack OTB raises to 15. BB short stack calls. Hero notes BB has one stack of redbirds plus a couple of stray chips and reraises to 65. BU calls. BB shoves for 110. Hero calls, realizing he miscounted BB's stack due to an 18-chip stack and his 65 was too much for the likely shove to reopen the betting. BU calls.

Flop is 762 with two clubs. Hero has A. BB is all-in. Pot is around 300. Effective stacks for hero and BU is around 425. Hero has a tight image. Rank these options:

A. Lead out for 100-150
B. Shove
C. Check with the intention of shoving over any bet and checking the turn if the flop is checked around
D. Check with the intention of shoving over any bet and leading the turn small if the flop is checked around
E. Check with the intention of shoving over any bet and shoving the turn if the flop is checked around
F. Other
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05-07-2016 , 02:19 PM
is button a nit? He's got a strong range here that we crush. I'd say JJ+, AK, AQs. is he going to bet an overpair if we check to him?

I don't want to lose him, so I like A. the best, with the intention of getting it in by the turn.

If we think he will bet all overpairs and check back all AK/AQ combos, then I like option D. though I'm occasionally checking depending on the turn. I also may not check/shove depending on the size of his bet.


I am not concerned about protecting my hand here, I don't think Villain can have a flush draw since we have the Ac. I don`t think Villain can have a set. I just want to take the line that is most likely to get the rest of our stacks in by the river, and that depends a lot on Vs tendencies.

I think this is a thread-worthy hand by the way with more in-depth reads posted


All rambling aside. I like option A the best. We are representing exactly what we have with our limp raise, but tight players usually have a tough time folding strong hands, so let`s give him a chance to go broke.
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05-08-2016 , 12:32 PM
Similar thoughts I guess to ^^^ I guess.

I guess you could get cute with a check/raise or even a check/call - but it's going to look awful suspicious to check that board after three betting PF. And you don't want him getting a free shot at spiking his OP.

I like half bet leaving a little under half bet for the turn.
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05-09-2016 , 08:19 AM
Is this a check or bet. 1/2 game I raise 99 after 3 limpers to $15. 5 players to the flop.

Q 7 2. 2diamonds. I had red nines and it is checked to me and I am last to act. Pot is $67.


There is a slim chance I have the best hand and would love to get rid of overcards but there is the other possibility I am drawing to <2 outs.
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05-09-2016 , 09:45 AM
Which cards are the diamonds?

In a vacuum I'd bet $40-45 to get diamonds to call and clean up our equity against hands with overcards.
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05-09-2016 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
Which cards are the diamonds?

In a vacuum I'd bet $40-45 to get diamonds to call and clean up our equity against hands with overcards.
I believe it was the q and 2. I ended up betting $35 and it went call call call c/r to 135 by a good player and I turbo mucked mad that I didn't take the free card hoping to bink the 2 outer.
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05-09-2016 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Dubey
All rambling aside. I like option A the best. We are representing exactly what we have with our limp raise, but tight players usually have a tough time folding strong hands, so let`s give him a chance to go broke.
I liked option A the best, but I've seen quite a few threads where people have advocated overbet shoves in hands, so I experimented with it. Villain tanked for two minutes before open-folding KK. Curiously, he didn't seem worried about AA as his table talk was focused on fear of a set.
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05-10-2016 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by RunninCM
Is this a check or bet. 1/2 game I raise 99 after 3 limpers to $15. 5 players to the flop.

Q 7 2. 2diamonds. I had red nines and it is checked to me and I am last to act. Pot is $67.


There is a slim chance I have the best hand and would love to get rid of overcards but there is the other possibility I am drawing to <2 outs.


If you're not mildly happy to cbet this flop after raising 99 pre, you should just limp and mostly set mine.
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05-10-2016 , 04:34 AM
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I believe it was the q and 2. I ended up betting $35 and it went call call call c/r to 135 by a good player and I turbo mucked mad that I didn't take the free card hoping to bink the 2 outer.
You could have the best hand in this spot. If your opponents have a brain and use it from time to time, you shouldn't be cbetting here. Also, would rather you overlimp pre.
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05-10-2016 , 12:57 PM
1/2 NL

Turn action gives us a board of KQJ10 two hearts. Hero has Ah8h. V1 (100) bets 25, V2 (300+) calls, Hero (250) ????.

If we are positive both villains have an Ace should we shove here for the free roll?

I know their range could be bigger but based on my reads and their reactions to this board it's like 95% they both have an Ace.
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05-10-2016 , 01:42 PM
Yes, easy shove.
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05-10-2016 , 02:00 PM
Seems clear.
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05-10-2016 , 02:06 PM
Dream spot. All in
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05-11-2016 , 01:47 AM
Hey guys was pretty stuck on this spot at 2/5 was looking for feedback.

Hero has pretty tight image being pretty card dead.

V1 seems like a fun rec player but probably not fishy since a lot of the regs are friends with him. Fairly loose calling range pre.

V2 massive spot on the table that all the regs are fighting over. Plays almost ATC pre.

Otth 500 eff stack:

Hero UTG AA opens 25. Folds to V1 CO who flats and V2 on button who also calls.

Flop (82): KJ9r. Hero 50 V1 after a few seconds makes it 165. V2 had calling chips out as soon as i c bet not sure if V1 noticed. V2 folds and i call after thinking for 30 seconds. I dont think V1 is raising a flopped straight here with the fish behind but i could be wrong.

Turn (412): 2s puts two spades out there. I dont have the ace of spades. I check and V1 jams 260 more. Hero? After tanking for a few minutes figuring out why i called flop if im folding this turn V1 says "do you have aces?". What does it usually mean when people ask stuff like that?

I ended up folding and v mucked. Not sure if it is correct and curious how others would play the hand.

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05-11-2016 , 01:56 AM
He didn't read your mind, because you tanked for a few minutes, he put you on one or two hands with AA being one of them. It's a pretty wet board for 2p, and with that said, a horrible, horrible board for aces.

What's draws could he be raising there? T8? Maybe he does this with AK, but wouldn't he likely 3! here? V prob has J9, K9 or KJ.

I'm ok with folding the flop and moving on trying to get V2s money, and carefully watching V1 for any shenanigans, which could widen my continuation range vs his flop reraises in position.
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05-11-2016 , 02:02 AM
When you cbet this board he mostly is going to put you on AK and yet he is raising this flop. Fold to his raise.
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05-11-2016 , 02:13 AM
One interpretation is that if V think AA is a weak hand on that board, then he is probably strong, and if V thinks AA is a strong hand on that board, then he is probably weak.
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05-11-2016 , 03:37 AM
Just won satellite entry to the Parx 500 & 1100. Anyone have any good reading material/recommendations? I previously ordered the Kill Everyone book (thanks to cAm's suggestion) which I'll try to knock out over the next few days but seeing as I have played 1 tournament in my life any tips would be appreciated.
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05-11-2016 , 05:21 AM
2/5 500 eff. 9 handed. Hero is quite well known by only 1 at table as being fairly tag but probably thinks he is a bit more tight than aggressive. Villain in hand is middle age Asian woman who not very good never seen her with >$600 in the 20 ~hrs I've played with her. Usually buys in for 40-60bbs. Must be.on a huge heater as she has about $1600.

Otth....

2 limps, H in CO raises $35 w/KhKs .
2 calls from V and other limped

Flop 9d3s7h

2 checks, H bets $60, 1 fold V calls.

Turn 5d

V Checks, H bets $110. V raises to $310.

??


*have seen V gii with Many draws however only when less than 100bb, never really seen her play deeper and not sure if she is adjusting to wielding a bigger stack. She is also dealer at another room afaik... clear fold?*
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