$1/3
Hero - Playing rather TAG at the moment, though Villains have no reads/no hand history. Covers all
V1 - Brand new to table, $300
V2 - Guy I've seen multiple times, seems decent enough, no real info though. Has basically flopped a straight in one hand, has $850

Hero in MP raises to $20 with KK
4 callers.

J75

SB(V1) donks $25, BB calls $25, Hero raises to $100.
V2 makes it $225 total.
SB(V1) ships for around $300 total.
I fold
V2 calls

62

V2 tables QQ
V1 mucks.

20 minutes of talk ensues about how there's no way anyone else is ever folding KK there.
Must fold, obvi right?
V2 should have a set, or two pair/combo (64dd...)

Could be in a spot where one has a set, other has a FD and I have 1 out.
And I'm never flatting, I have to shove on V2

yeah that's pretty dumb and qq is probably the only worse hand V2 3bets

sometimes you just gotta fold the best hand

Seems like a terrible board to raise/fold.

Some people play QQ passive pre and go nuts post if no A or K hits. Would he call with a set? Would he think AJ is the nuts? Hard to say, especially with results revealed. Challenging spr against v2 and he got great set mining odds.

Revealing that you folded KK is terrible though. You really don't want villains to know that you are capable of it.

Flat the flop IP?

I'd either raise more preflop or limp/reraise if my raises are getting 4 callers.

Tough spot going 5ways to the flop with an overpair and flying blind, in a small SPR pot against some stacks but a ~8ish SPR pot against V2. Bottom line for me is that we can't stack off against the deeper stacks here, so I probably just flat the flop. Yeah, it gives draws great odds to continue, but I think I'd like to see the turn card/action before deciding exactly how many chips I want to get into the pot. It's kinda gross since there's probably some stacks we're ok stacking off against but others we're not, so a call might be pretty meh.

I'm also folding given all this action and feeling pretty good about it.

I'd make a note that V2 is likely ******ed. Lol, he flats preflop (is he tarping, or scared he's up against a better hand?), and then literally beats nothing sane that is raising 2 others on this flop (even JJ has now moved ahead) unless he's putting us on exactly AKdd (which is like the weakest hand we should have here).

GgoddamnidiotsfromnortherneuropeG

every time he 3bets QQ there's an A or K on the flop

This.

The hand is pretty read dependant. The fact that we won´t face turn,river bets and we are getting 3.5:1 makes it a crying call for me aginst unknowns. We beat AJ.

We're $800 deep vs the guy who 3b flop

I call if we're AI for 100bb but we're not

£1/3 game

Eff stacks £150
Preflop (£4): Hero is BB with A7
2 limpers to CO who makes it 10(only short stack at the table with £150), BTN, Hero and 2 limpers call
CO has been fishy overplaying 2nd pair etc, but I've seen him make a fold under the excuse that it was for all his stack and that he wanted to stick around a bit more.

Flop (£50): 896
Checks to CO who bets £30 with £110 behind, BTN folds, Hero raises to £80 with intention of getting it in.

standard? Spewy?Boarder line breakeven?

I'd fold pre. AP, you need probably 40%+ all fold (don't forget your limpers) so if you're gonna go for it, I'd x/shove. Gl with the move in no foldem holdem.

I'm guessing $10 is a super small raise that is always getting called by the limpers when we overcall? If so, I'm cool with preflop.

Postflop is trickier depending on size of stacks of us and limpers. If we're all short like raiser, then I don't mind a check/jam as we have decent equity against the raiser (decent chance our A is good, OESD outs, plus backdoor flush outs) plus decent FE. The problem is that if we're much deeper with the limpers, we're possibly putting out too many chips against one of them who might be trapping with a monster.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Just looking for opinion on post flop sizing

Hero (400) raise 20 utg with black 99in somewhat tight passive 2/5 table. V1 mp calls V2 calls button.

(60) FLOP 982hh Hero leads 40 both call.

(180) 982hh-Kc Hero lead 115

Thoughts on sizing?

V1 is loose 1/2 player who calls wide pre and straightforward post. V2 seems standard MAWG so far, not entering pots often. Both cover

Anyone purtty plz?

Assuming you're committed on all river cards, your turn sizing doesn't force 8 outers to make an error. PSB seems better to me.

+1 to bigger turn bet. The Kc makes it unlikely you'll get called by A9/TT-QQ portion of villains' ranges, so I'd target FD/OESD for bigger sizing, like 150.

looking for feedback on whether this turn is a bet.

Loose/passive table. All three villains want to see more cards.

UTG ($400) and MP ($200) limp, I overlimp J9 on the button with $300, SB ($200) completes, five of us see a 964 flop ($15).

checks to MP who bets 10, I call, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn 3 ($55), everyone checks to me.

Should we bet this turn? Our are we value-owning ourselves too often?

I would definitely bet this turn. Probably not putting more money in unimproved. (maybe yes if river pairs the board)

@Drunktilt -- full pot OTF. 2/3 pot OTT. Shove river.

@Bob -- raise pre., as played, bet/fold $40-45 OTT always, bet/fold OTR.

You didn't have the lead. Aren't better hands with the lead continuing?, that's the best card in the deck for a made hand.

Vs multiple villains who will limp/call with dominated hands, what does raising accomplish? I'd be much more likely to raise with deeper stacks + some shred of fe




I think so.

Results: I bet 35 and was called in two spots.

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I'm assuming this is 1/3 NL?

I'm either/or preflop. If I think I can get this HU, I'd raise. If table is too lose and that's unlikely, I'm cool with overlimping.

Depending on MP, I might lean towards a fold on the flop. I didn't play J9s for TPNK + no draw. I just think we leak too much if we see a lotta flops with speculative hands and start calling postflop with very marginal holdings.

Turn is weird spot. I'm sure any monster would have bet multiway on this drawy board. There's a chance our hand is good as there's so many draws. I could see myself betting like $35 as the last money I put into the pot, but I agree we own ourselves a lot.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I think I might need a review of some fundamentals.

1/3 Raked Home Game

V1: Never seen him before 40ish white guy lots of rings on. Just moved from the other game which broke have seen him call a PF raise and fold to a c-bet. Looks a bit lost so first impression is he is week.

V2: Have played with this villain many times. 55ish Mexican guy; clean cut, well spoken, usually pretty quiet at the table. Tight very careful player who seemingly has learned to not be a complete rock as I have seen him calling with more draws and showing down 1 pair hands. Still folds a little too often on coordinated boards.

The Hand – Fairly Standard but I Feel I am missing some concepts here

V1(150ish) Limps in EP
V2(300ish) Limps in MP
Hero(covers) – Raises to 12 with AJ off

Blinds fold, both villains call,

Flop($35 after rake): J76 Rainbow

V1 donk bets $10
V2 Calls
Hero?

Seems like a common spot but for some reason I feel lost trying to figure out how to maximize. I’m ok GII against V1 (SPR 4) on this flop but if I raise and get called by V2 (SPR 8) I am almost always behind. I don’t think there is any draw on this board V2 can call me with. So is raising still the correct play?

Thanks

Is a $12 raise after 2 limpers going to narrow the field? It really depends on how tight your table is, but at my table, everyone who has folded would grab two random cards from the deck and we'd see a 10 way flop.

At the *very* least, I would have went $15 to at least target V1's stack, where we can more easily commit postflop getting in 10% of our stacks preflop.

The fact that we went 3way instead of HU messes the SPR up a little more than we'd like. If we went HU with V1, the SPR woulda been 5.75, which perhaps against this guy is an ok stack off SPR but then again maybe not (we gave him 12+ implied odds to call the preflop raise, which isn't too bad but we can do better). But now that we're 3way and the SPR is < 4, we're auto-commited against V1 (but having given him the same meh-ish preflop implied odds).

Anyways, tricky spot on the flop as we feel committed against V1 but not against V2. Obviously I want to raise against V1, but I'm not thrilled if V2 comes along (and he probably will if V1 calls with almost anything and then we're flying a little blind on the turn). The donk is so small that V2 could call with anything, so I guess I raise to $75 offering poor 2:1 odds for draws, but if V2 calls I get a sick feeling and I probably give up (and I'd fold if V2 reraises).

GcluelessNLnoobG

Raise to an amount you feel will get called by a worse Jack. I like something like $35. The donk bet is usually "see where I'm at", the guy in the middle could have a jack or a straight draw.

If you get back-raised I'm probably letting it go. The board is pretty dry and it's hard to imagine one of the aforementioned villains going nuts with anything less than two pair.