Can go very wrong if he has a flush or a set and 3 bets large here.

When he bets 1/3 pot I would discount those hands. I hate getting 300bb in on the flop yeah. I think you rarely get 3-bet. If you go 75 an he goes 275, I am folding for sure. And that's totally fine, his line is so strong he has a flush almost always and your drawing to 7 outs, and when you hit you night not get paid.

Value is the name of the game though. If you get value 14/15 times and have to fold 1/15 that's totally fine.

Stuff like "this guy always barrels ands tries to rep hands" is a good reason to just call of course.

What actually happened is I raised to $65 and he made it $225 and I tank folded.

Board: Tc5c2c
Equity Win Tie
MP2 32.67% 32.67% 0.00% { AdAc }
MP3 67.33% 67.33% 0.00% { TT, 55, 22, KcQc, KcJc, QcJc, Kc9c, Qc9c, Jc9c, Tc9c, Kc8c, Jc8c, Tc8c, 9c8c, Kc7c, Tc7c, 9c7c, 8c7c, Kc6c, 8c6c, 7c6c, Kc5c, 7c5c, 6c5c, Kc4c, 6c4c, 5c4c, Kc3c, Kc2c }

Board: Tc5c2c
Equity Win Tie
MP2 31.38% 31.38% 0.00% { AdAc }
MP3 68.62% 68.62% 0.00% { KcQc, KcJc, QcJc, Kc9c, Qc9c, Jc9c, Tc9c, Kc8c, Jc8c, Tc8c, 9c8c, Kc7c, Tc7c, 9c7c, 8c7c, Kc6c, 8c6c, 7c6c, Kc5c, 7c5c, 6c5c, Kc4c, 6c4c, 5c4c, Kc3c, Kc2c }

Pretty easy fold away from table.

Just thowing some ranges out there for when he bets into us on flop:

Board: Tc5c2c
Equity Win Tie
MP2 57.66% 57.66% 0.00% { AdAc }
MP3 42.34% 42.34% 0.00% { JJ, KcQc, KcJc, QcJc, KcTc, QcTc, JcTc, Kc9c, Qc9c, Jc9c, Tc9c, Kc8c, Jc8c, Tc8c, 9c8c, Kc7c, Tc7c, 9c7c, 8c7c, Kc6c, 8c6c, 7c6c, Kc5c, 7c5c, 6c5c, Kc4c, 6c4c, 5c4c, Kc3c, Kc2c, KcTd, KcTh, KcTs, QcTd, QcTh, QcTs, JcTd, JcTh, JcTs }

Remove JcTx,QcTx (which I think is better)

Board: Tc5c2c
Equity Win Tie
MP2 57.66% 57.66% 0.00% { AdAc }
MP3 42.34% 42.34% 0.00% { JJ, KcQc, KcJc, QcJc, KcTc, QcTc, JcTc, Kc9c, Qc9c, Jc9c, Tc9c, Kc8c, Jc8c, Tc8c, 9c8c, Kc7c, Tc7c, 9c7c, 8c7c, Kc6c, 8c6c, 7c6c, Kc5c, 7c5c, 6c5c, Kc4c, 6c4c, 5c4c, Kc3c, Kc2c, KcTd, KcTh, KcTs, QcTd, QcTh, QcTs, JcTd, JcTh, JcTs }

Remove KcTx, QcTx, JcTx


Board: Tc5c2c
Equity Win Tie
MP2 51.44% 51.44% 0.00% { AdAc }
MP3 48.56% 48.56% 0.00% { JJ, KcQc, KcJc, QcJc, KcTc, QcTc, JcTc, Kc9c, Qc9c, Jc9c, Tc9c, Kc8c, Jc8c, Tc8c, 9c8c, Kc7c, Tc7c, 9c7c, 8c7c, Kc6c, 8c6c, 7c6c, Kc5c, 7c5c, 6c5c, Kc4c, 6c4c, 5c4c, Kc3c, Kc2c, KcTd, KcTh, KcTs }

I actually think this is a more important spot then just the low-stress thread.

There's lots to consider here.

I think raising OTF is suboptimal but not terrible. I'm happy to at least see the turn for the price being offered.

Its a spot were taking a line that allows V to put enough pressure on us (i.e. reopening the betting) is a bad idea.

My first thought when I saw it was, this seems threadworthy. Pretty sure I would call.

$1/2

UTG ($2K) makes it $6 UTG (saw him do this with 76s less deep other day. Same session 77 UTG was a $12 raise) 1 fishy caller ($700), loose but decent MAWG calls ($550) in SB, hero ($500) makes it $35 from Button with AJs, everyone calls

Flop ($133) K25

Checked to hero who bets $90, folds around to MAWG who calls.

Turn ($313): 8

MAWG donks $90, Hero tanks for a bit, says, ''**** this guy and his blocker bet'', in his head and ships for $375 total. MAWG tanks for 2 or 3 minutes, hero looks at his phone and calls time after two minutes more.

Standard?

Your cards black? Sounds like you've quite the game with those stack sizes and preflop action. Everything about this hand is ambitious. Don't love 3bets with such a playable hand. 3bet sizing good. Don't love cbets 4way.

You're repping AK,AA hard here, if V were any good you'd think he'd shove diamonds on the flop and his range would be mostly non-believing Kx and sets. I've seen too many Vs make a blocker bet and still call it off when the blocker bet fails, so I don't love that part, especially with what I presume your image is. Any "decent" V should be snapping you off with a Kx once he's gotten this far. So I'd want to see weak-tight play from him to try it.

Don't like the clock call, curious what others think of that?

Standard? Not for me, but maybe I'm too "by the book", or need a newer book.

Not standard at all for me either. People love to call man. Just know that.

Just my nitty opinion

Yeah AJc. Not a standard c bet for me, but given lineup and stacks I thought it was fine. Turn is something I´ve been doing a lot against players I think can fold, who don´t know me. If I had to guess I´d say they fold 80% of the time. If I get called a side benefit is it generates huge action for me against the regs. (who I would not try this on, but they don´t know that).

Was he 2nd level at all? Do you think his range is mostly Kx on the turn?

2nd level ie. he is thinking about what I have? For sure.

I expect he has Kx or a diamond flush draw here almost always.

He had about 4 min, plus the 1 minute count down from the house. Excessive IMO. I think calling time can induce them to make a tilty call, so I don´t normally do it. But I´m not going to sit here all day.

Mostly these guys are just looking for a reaction from me. They aren´t counting combinations and weighting a range or anything like that.

Kinda been thinking about incorporating reverse tells into my game, for giggles more than anything.

Yeah, that was what I was thinking about the clock call. When a guy tanks, folding is usually the result, and a clock call by the allin guy can induce a call. Anybody agree/disagree?

3000+ hours live poker, I've never called clock. But I'm a diplomat at heart.

ok, same thoughts on V range, although diamonds x/c yuck. anyway, lots of blocker bets with Kx here turn into shrug calls imo, as i said.

V is a nitty TAG. Open limps and limp/folds pre. A lot of bet/folding.

Hero has a good image.

1/2

V ($575ish) opens UTG for $12, fish ($100) calls, hero (covers) calls 44 on button, other shortstack with $80 calls in BB.

($44) Flop AQ4

V bets $30, fish calls, hero???

Gotta build a pot here, make it $125.

You need to be a bit cautious with bottom set against a true nit on an ace-high flop. I'm not saying fold, but I think you have to consider how much action he gives with AK.

Here's one from the "going broke in a limped pot without the nuts" files...

1/2NL

UTG ($425) limps, Hero ($800) is UTG+1 and limps with 6h6d. 4 other limpers, including button ($575), blinds complete. Hero has an aggressive preflop image, selectively aggressive postflop.

UTG is a reg, fluctuates between tight-passive and loose-passive, only tends to lead out with strong hands, likes to check-raise with the nuts.

Button is also a reg, but a complete recreational player. She has some good instincts about aggression, and I've seen her three-barrel bluff a couple of times, but she has zero patience and zero control. She won a big pot recently after calling a preflop 3! with 10-4s, then flopping an open-ender and getting it in with the obvious overpair.

Flop (8 players, $16) is Qc10c6s. Ding!

UTG leads for $5. This usually means KQ or possibly AQ from him. Could also be Q10. I don't think he leads out with a combo draw into such a large field. I'm pretty sure he can't have 1010 or QQ here since he didn't raise preflop.

I min-raise to $10. This won't eliminate any draws (they aren't going to fold anyway), but it should keep medium queens in play, start building a pot, and reopens the betting in case UTG has Q10.

Folds around to button, who calls without hesitation. UTG makes it $35. I'm now 95% sure he has Q10 and he won't be able to fold it. Button likely has a flush draw or straight draw, possibly a combo draw.

I make it $100. If they both call, this should set up a shove on a blank turn. Button again calls without pause. UTG looks genuinely uncomfortable, then shoves. I reshove. Button calls without pause.

...Well, that escalated quickly.

Thoughts on my betting line?

wow. yeah, that did escalate pretty quickly. line looks pretty descent all things considered. if this board had an 9-7 on it i'd be a little more worried about set over set, but TT and QQ limping seems outlandish, but it happens. probably see something like QT and either a combo draw or A6cc. plus there are those really crappy times they show up with QQ/TT here and it's just like WTF...

hope you took down the ~1600 pot.

Raise

Flop raise to 10 should be a raise to 25 IMO but I think you can go with this hand yeah it's fine. But ugh it's so gross to see TT. Yuck.

(Not waiting the customary time, since this is the low-stress thread)

Yeah, bingo. UTG had Q10. Button had AJcc. I dodged their outs on the runout. Think that's the biggest pot I've ever taken down at 1-2.

...Aside from the brag elements of the hand, I was thinking about it after-the-fact and came around to two conclusions:

(1) so glad I played my set fast. I don't think I can get both stacks in on the later streets if I wait for a safe card or try to slowplay it.

(2) that hand right there is the difference between rungood streaks and runbad streaks. Between their two hands, I had to dodge 15 outs twice. That's about 50% equity, and I'm getting close to 2-to-1 on my money. Half the time I'll get to feel like a poker god, and half the time I'll have to take a walk to keep from going on serious tilt, muttering the whole time about how I should switch back to limit.

V's range that is behind should be AK-AJ, KQ here. Against our hand he has like 7% equity. Given our read he will just bet/fold to a raise of $100 more, that seems pretty bad.

Considering the bold... I ≈ click it back. $65.

Don't like the min raise. I make it $35.

Otherwise, as it went, you cannot feel bad about it. But TT is in there somewhere.

V and hero are 500BB+deep

V limps waay to much. plays aggro post flop. capable of a move.

5 handed

bad passive shortstack limps UTG, V limps, hero raises ATs to $15 on button, shortie and V call.

Flop T33rainbow.

Shortie shoves for 35ish, V snap calls, hero calls.

Turn 3

V checks, hero checks (?)

River J

V bets $100 into $140ish, hero folds

Should I be betting the turn sometimes to avoid this ugly spot on the river? It gets especially ugly in non protected pots.