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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly
$1/$3 NL.
Eff. stacks about $500 with relevant opponent.
V1: German, Late 20s. Played PLO with him once. He had $1,500 in front of him and said he was still stuck ($1/$2 PLO). Had only been at the table about 30 minutes and was more interested in calculating bad beat odds on his phone.
V2 Asian male. Early 30s. Hadn't seen much from him
V3: Black male. Probably about 35. Hadn't been involved in any hands yet.
V1 raises to $10 from UTG. V2 calls from UTG+1.
I am next to act with two red Queens. I make it $45. V3 cold calls. He only has about $100-$120 more after calling. V1 and V2 call.
Flop 10 9 2, all diamonds. I have the Qd.
V1 checks and looks disinterested. V2 bets $100.
I call. V3 folds. V1 folds.
Turn is an offsuit 4.
V2 bets $150, leaving less than $200 behind.
Are folding, calling or shoving?
I find preflop very difficult.
When I 3bet hands with my tightish image, I'm probably turning my hand fairly face upish. And depending on stacks, I'm typically also creating a very small SPR where it will be very difficult to fold an overpair. But unless we raise a big amount, we'll also be offering our opponent good setmining odds. In this case, we created a SPR 2.5 pot (lol, it wouldn't be totally unreasonable for stacks to go in on literally just one postflop street) and yet at the same time 3 opponents (at least the deeper ones) got implied odds of 15+.
So, if I were to 3bet, I'd probably like to go to $85. This offers 8x implied odds, and opponents simply can't be profitable playing speculative hands against us even if our hand is face up. But there's two problems with that. First, it seems unlikely that we're going to get any action on a raise that big; if there were more callers of the small bet it's possible a big raise would work because it's more reasonable, looks squeezy, and even if it does just take down the pot at least the pot it takes down is more worth winning. And second, it's also possible that we run into a bigger hand, and I'm not comfortable playing for 167bb stacks with QQ.
Oh, and before "3bet more" is offered as solution, I'm assuming Chippy doesn't exactly have a spewy 3bet image, and he just had his 3bet called in lol 3 places. 3betting light at these stakes is not the answer, imo.
So, with all that said, I would overcall preflop (it's the lesser of two evils, imo). It's not a great spot, as it will probably invite a couple others into the pot. But it will keep the SPR higher so that we have more room to play postflop, and hopefully our position will help us figure out what to do, plus we can just fold for cheap on some bad flops/action. Plus if some gambooley / squeezy guy attempts to make a move we'll have a counter punch waiting.
As played, I have no idea what to do postflop. SPR is lol 2.5, we're 4ways, we could be ahead, we could be behind but drawing, we could be drawing dead, and all the while everyone pretty much knows what we have and got 15x implied odds to stack us. It's a gross spot. I probably make up my mind on the flop whether I'm in (shove) or out (fold).
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