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03-14-2019 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3
5/5/10, 1K eff
Me with 97ss CO ^30, only straddle calls
Flop A65ss (offsuit ace)
Straddle x, H bet 40, straddle raise to 150, Hero?

Normally I 3b here with combo draws to balance when I have sets but I’m crushed against a range that includes Axss. Is it better to just flat here?


Flat,
fold to a bet on a blank turn,
raise his turn bet if an 8 comes,
probably just flat his turn bet if a third s comes and then if he also bets river you’re bluff catching
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03-15-2019 , 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3
5/5, 500eff
UTG^30, I call with 77, BB calls
Flop: 633r
UTG bet 35, me and BB call
Turn: 8cc
Checks to me- straightforward bet for protection/value against 2overs, FD/SD, 6x? Or check to play rivers?

5/5, 500eff
UTG limp, CO ^30, Hero with 97hh?
Call fold or 3b here? CO pretty straightforward TAG, blinds passive
H1 turn seems like a x & play a river, BB should be fairly strong here when he overcalls. It's a lot different when you fold and it's on him, than it is when utg cbets you call and he overcalls. He has every combo of A3s, 33, 66, 77-1010, a good amount of JJ, and some QQ that didnt 3b pre. betting is probably okay though but personally prefer a check. it's pretty close imo, id def bet 99 ott.

H2 i just turbo muck, 97hh really isn't even a 3b BTN vs CO when CO RFI usually. when he iso's and makes it 6x, im just comfortably letting it go
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03-15-2019 , 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Would definitely flat. People generally aren't kidding when they x/r Axx flops. A range of sets, two pairs and NFDs is pretty bad for you.
+1
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03-15-2019 , 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3
5/5/10, 1K eff
Me with 97ss CO ^30, only straddle calls
Flop A65ss (offsuit ace)
Straddle x, H bet 40, straddle raise to 150, Hero?

Normally I 3b here with combo draws to balance when I have sets but I’m crushed against a range that includes Axss. Is it better to just flat here?
I could be wrong, but I'd think that IP player doesn't have much of an incentive from a theory pov to have a 3b range. Or if they did it'd be very narrow. I would check PIO but I don't have it yet.

Against a value heavy/nutted range though it makes complete sense as an exploit however to 3b sets.
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03-15-2019 , 05:50 PM
going to play in my first 1-2NL live game in 6 years either tonight or tomorrow night

any tips?

just gonna play ABC tight even tho i feel I will blind out. I may get creative in LP idk
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03-15-2019 , 05:53 PM
Value bet.
They always have it.
Bet/fold.
They always have it.
Fold pre.
They always have it.
Go ahead and get creative in LP, yolo, just set parameters beforehand so you don't get too crazy.
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03-15-2019 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cannabusto
Value bet.
They always have it.
Bet/fold.
They always have it.
Fold pre.
They always have it.
Go ahead and get creative in LP, yolo, just set parameters beforehand so you don't get too crazy.
ok thanks.


I just dont want to call with QKo when i see a raise and a call in front of me unless I have a read.

but yeah ill try to limp in more at LP and just se the table


thanks
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03-16-2019 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by cannabusto
I don't know if this is a fold ever, but it's certainly never a fold against this described villain.

Normally you'd put a generic villain on a set? I don't even get the use of "normally" here. I'm not sure I've ever seen someone open jam 100 bbs into a 2bb pot.
Particularly when we've already stipulated he's a spewest.
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03-16-2019 , 07:51 PM
Sets. Everyone talks about how great they are but seem to always win the minimum (by fast play) or lose the maximum (with slow play).

So many mistakes in this hand, need some guidance.

I have JJ in the BB playing 1-2 live. I have about 400, and just got moved to the new table. Villain in SB is an athletic mid-40's guy. A few (3-4) limpers and Villain makes it $7. I make it $27. This might be my only good play of the hand. Everyone folds to Villain who calls.

Flop is J74 two spades, so I have top set. V checks, and I check behind. I figure I'll get aggressive on any non-spade turn.

Turn is a non spade Ten, no paired board. V bets $20. I make it $60. Would like comments on this raise here. Thinking it's too small.

River is a spade. Villain checks. Hero?

Spoiler:
Instead of checking, hero bets $55 (into about $182).

Villain makes it $155, so $100 more to the hero. I have to put in 100 into a pot that's $337

Hero's move?

Spoiler:
Well it's an obvious fold, right? What ELSE can he have but a flush? Instead I call, and he shows AQ

So what the hell is my problem? What is the solution for calling bets where I'm obviously beat? Was my bet an example of "thin value"? I think not. If he flopped a set of 7s or 4s, he's not calling the river, and he's definitely not RAISING the river. Just having trouble folding to river bets because if I fold, I'll never KNOW if I made the right decision.


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03-16-2019 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by drbeechwood
Sets. Everyone talks about how great they are but seem to always win the minimum (by fast play) or lose the maximum (with slow play).

So many mistakes in this hand, need some guidance.

I have JJ in the BB playing 1-2 live. I have about 400, and just got moved to the new table. Villain in SB is an athletic mid-40's guy. A few (3-4) limpers and Villain makes it $7. I make it $27. This might be my only good play of the hand. Everyone folds to Villain who calls.

Flop is J74 two spades, so I have top set. V checks, and I check behind. I figure I'll get aggressive on any non-spade turn.

Turn is a non spade Ten, no paired board. V bets $20. I make it $60. Would like comments on this raise here. Thinking it's too small.

River is a spade. Villain checks. Hero?

Spoiler:
Instead of checking, hero bets $55 (into about $182).

Villain makes it $155, so $100 more to the hero. I have to put in 100 into a pot that's $337

Hero's move?

Spoiler:
Well it's an obvious fold, right? What ELSE can he have but a flush? Instead I call, and he shows AQ

So what the hell is my problem? What is the solution for calling bets where I'm obviously beat? Was my bet an example of "thin value"? I think not. If he flopped a set of 7s or 4s, he's not calling the river, and he's definitely not RAISING the river. Just having trouble folding to river bets because if I fold, I'll never KNOW if I made the right decision.


Don't slowplay, especially on boards that have flush boards.

Write this down in a notebook twice a day

Only exception is if you got quads in a 9-way pot otf with no FD or something like that. Even if you have a FH on a draw-heavy board, just bet bet bet bet bet

You probably understand by now that the biggest overall leak live players have is just calling too much and not folding enough. Exploit that. That means betting when you have it. Not slowplaying.
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03-16-2019 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by drbeechwood
Sets. Everyone talks about how great they are but seem to always win the minimum (by fast play) or lose the maximum (with slow play).



So many mistakes in this hand, need some guidance.



I have JJ in the BB playing 1-2 live. I have about 400, and just got moved to the new table. Villain in SB is an athletic mid-40's guy. A few (3-4) limpers and Villain makes it $7. I make it $27. This might be my only good play of the hand. Everyone folds to Villain who calls.



Flop is J74 two spades, so I have top set. V checks, and I check behind. I figure I'll get aggressive on any non-spade turn.



Turn is a non spade Ten, no paired board. V bets $20. I make it $60. Would like comments on this raise here. Thinking it's too small.



River is a spade. Villain checks. Hero?



Spoiler:
Instead of checking, hero bets $55 (into about $182).



Villain makes it $155, so $100 more to the hero. I have to put in 100 into a pot that's $337



Hero's move?



Spoiler:
Well it's an obvious fold, right? What ELSE can he have but a flush? Instead I call, and he shows AQ



So what the hell is my problem? What is the solution for calling bets where I'm obviously beat? Was my bet an example of "thin value"? I think not. If he flopped a set of 7s or 4s, he's not calling the river, and he's definitely not RAISING the river. Just having trouble folding to river bets because if I fold, I'll never KNOW if I made the right decision.







I’m not folding river with top set here.

I would c bet flop small ish - 35% ish.

As played, would raise his turn lead slightly bigger, maybe to 75.

The exact spade in the river is important because there are straight draws here too. Why are you putting him so squarely on flush draws?

I must say his raise to 7 pre is epically ridiculous- hard to range this too tightly but I would guess this might be a ‘sweeten the pot in case I hit my set’ bet, which again means I’m never folding top set on the river
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03-16-2019 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
I’m not folding river with top set here.

I would c bet flop small ish - 35% ish.

As played, would raise his turn lead slightly bigger, maybe to 75.

The exact spade in the river is important because there are straight draws here too. Why are you putting him so squarely on flush draws?

I must say his raise to 7 pre is epically ridiculous- hard to range this too tightly but I would guess this might be a ‘sweeten the pot in case I hit my set’ bet, which again means I’m never folding top set on the river
Thank you. In retrospect, I didn't get a good look at the lower spade. If it was something like ARag, that's something I will raise to 5 or 10. Not slow playing is important at these stakes.
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03-16-2019 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by drbeechwood
Sets. Everyone talks about how great they are but seem to always win the minimum (by fast play) or lose the maximum (with slow play).

So many mistakes in this hand, need some guidance.

I have JJ in the BB playing 1-2 live. I have about 400, and just got moved to the new table. Villain in SB is an athletic mid-40's guy. A few (3-4) limpers and Villain makes it $7. I make it $27. This might be my only good play of the hand. Everyone folds to Villain who calls.

Flop is J74 two spades, so I have top set. V checks, and I check behind. I figure I'll get aggressive on any non-spade turn.

Turn is a non spade Ten, no paired board. V bets $20. I make it $60. Would like comments on this raise here. Thinking it's too small.

River is a spade. Villain checks. Hero?

Spoiler:
Instead of checking, hero bets $55 (into about $182).

Villain makes it $155, so $100 more to the hero. I have to put in 100 into a pot that's $337

Hero's move?

Spoiler:
Well it's an obvious fold, right? What ELSE can he have but a flush? Instead I call, and he shows AQ

So what the hell is my problem? What is the solution for calling bets where I'm obviously beat? Was my bet an example of "thin value"? I think not. If he flopped a set of 7s or 4s, he's not calling the river, and he's definitely not RAISING the river. Just having trouble folding to river bets because if I fold, I'll never KNOW if I made the right decision.


On the river, what worse hands did you expect to get a call from?
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03-16-2019 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
On the river, what worse hands did you expect to get a call from?


Every two pair combo, every other set, any remaining J combos as well as A10, K10

Not betting river with top set would be a cataclysmic mistake
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03-16-2019 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Every two pair combo, every other set, any remaining J combos as well as A10, K10

Not betting river with top set would be a cataclysmic mistake
Flop is J74 two spades

One Jack left in deck IE lots of blockers for hands with a J. Folks are raising with 7-4 and then calling 3 bets? Might call a raise with A-10 after getting raised on turn, doubtful in my mind. What does V put hero on when 3rd spade comes and V has a weak hand? FWIW don’t see that many calling hands V can have on the river the hero can beat. H is trying to win an extra bet.

Last edited by adios; 03-16-2019 at 11:20 PM.
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03-16-2019 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Flop is J74 two spades



One Jack left in deck IE lots of blockers for hands with a J. Folks are raising with 7-4 and then calling 3 bets?


1010 77 44 10 7ss, the last J 10 combo, any other J combo, any combos with the unknown river card that hits two pair, whatever other spazz a guy that raises to 7 from the SB over a load of limpers has

Not betting river is a giant mistake
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03-17-2019 , 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
1010 77 44 10 7ss, the last J 10 combo, any other J combo, any combos with the unknown river card that hits two pair, whatever other spazz a guy that raises to 7 from the SB over a load of limpers has

Not betting river is a giant mistake
Remember that the river action was a check/raise from the Villain. I really can't see him doing this with anything other than the nuts here.

I agree that if I were first to act, I should be betting.
But I also agree that given the action, there's nothing I can beat.

This is the problem. The moment he raised I knew I was beat, but I still called. It's like I'm not content to be 95% sure that I'm beat, I have to call and be 100% sure.

Checking back and hoping I'm good saves me $155. Betting $55 and folding to his raise saves me $100.

I think this is my biggest leak lately, calling rivers when I know I'm beat.
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03-17-2019 , 07:49 AM
2/5

QQ r $25 MP over utg limp, one LP caller, bb flats, limper calls 4 way

Flop KJTr 100
Checked to me, bet or check flop?

Unimproved are we taking a b/x/b line or x/b/b (or x/c/c) line and would you play it differently HU?
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03-17-2019 , 08:39 AM
4ways I'm checking here. This hits all of our villains ranges here. Sure we have blockers to a lot of the various Broadway holdings they could have here, but it's 4 ways.

Hu I'd probably check too. Not that I think we are bad here, but I'm not really worried about being outdrawn given I block the gutters and we aren't getting more than 2 streets of value from worse anyways.
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03-17-2019 , 02:46 PM
2/5. V is middle aged Indian gentleman on second buy-in. UTG raises $40 in straddle, hero flats with JJ UTG+2 ($400 eff.), BTN calls, straddler/Indian calls.

Flop ($120): T-7-4r. Indian donks $55, prf folds, hero calls, BTN folds. Turn ($230): 6. V bets $85, hero calls. River ($400): 9. V checks. Hero?
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03-17-2019 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by drbeechwood
Remember that the river action was a check/raise from the Villain. I really can't see him doing this with anything other than the nuts here.



I agree that if I were first to act, I should be betting.

But I also agree that given the action, there's nothing I can beat.



This is the problem. The moment he raised I knew I was beat, but I still called. It's like I'm not content to be 95% sure that I'm beat, I have to call and be 100% sure.



Checking back and hoping I'm good saves me $155. Betting $55 and folding to his raise saves me $100.



I think this is my biggest leak lately, calling rivers when I know I'm beat.


I was responding to ‘why bet river’ not ‘why call river check raise’
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03-17-2019 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
2/5. V is middle aged Indian gentleman on second buy-in. UTG raises $40 in straddle, hero flats with JJ UTG+2 ($400 eff.), BTN calls, straddler/Indian calls.

Flop ($120): T-7-4r. Indian donks $55, prf folds, hero calls, BTN folds. Turn ($230): 6. V bets $85, hero calls. River ($400): 9. V checks. Hero?


So the $40 was a blind straddle from utg? If so, why are you flatting?

What are effective stacks?
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03-17-2019 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
So the $40 was a blind straddle from utg? If so, why are you flatting?

What are effective stacks?
Err, UTG+1 raised to $40. UTG was $10 straddle. Sorry. $400 eff. (me).
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03-17-2019 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by drbeechwood
Sets. Everyone talks about how great they are but seem to always win the minimum (by fast play) or lose the maximum (with slow play).

So many mistakes in this hand, need some guidance.

I have JJ in the BB playing 1-2 live. I have about 400, and just got moved to the new table. Villain in SB is an athletic mid-40's guy. A few (3-4) limpers and Villain makes it $7. I make it $27. This might be my only good play of the hand. Everyone folds to Villain who calls.

Flop is J74 two spades, so I have top set. V checks, and I check behind. I figure I'll get aggressive on any non-spade turn.

Turn is a non spade Ten, no paired board. V bets $20. I make it $60. Would like comments on this raise here. Thinking it's too small.

River is a spade. Villain checks. Hero?

Spoiler:
Instead of checking, hero bets $55 (into about $182).

Villain makes it $155, so $100 more to the hero. I have to put in 100 into a pot that's $337

Hero's move?

Spoiler:
Well it's an obvious fold, right? What ELSE can he have but a flush? Instead I call, and he shows AQ

So what the hell is my problem? What is the solution for calling bets where I'm obviously beat? Was my bet an example of "thin value"? I think not. If he flopped a set of 7s or 4s, he's not calling the river, and he's definitely not RAISING the river. Just having trouble folding to river bets because if I fold, I'll never KNOW if I made the right decision.


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Originally Posted by feel wrath
I must say his raise to 7 pre is epically ridiculous- hard to range this too tightly
I hardly ever see that outside of Vegas and am curious where the game was played.

DrBeech, set vs made hand is built into the hand selection. I'd be thankful to get let off the hook cheaply.
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03-17-2019 , 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
I hardly ever see that outside of Vegas and am curious where the game was played.

DrBeech, set vs made hand is built into the hand selection. I'd be thankful to get let off the hook cheaply.
This was a public card room in Texas. I'm not sure what you mean by "built into the hand selection". By "let off the hook cheaply" you mean definitely check back on the river check, I agree (in retrospect).
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