I'll admit that for me one of the spots I find the most troublesome is when I'm on the turn on a drawy board against someone who is probably less bluffy overall, and yet at the same time I feel a turn bet could commit myself to having to call a river bet if the board blanks.

GcluelesscommitmentnoobG

Just fold river bc V is almost never betting worse.

Committed for what reason?

These spots but OOP is where I really struggle. Putting money in on both the turn and river is so gross.

Well, for example, if I have just 3/4 PSB left, I'm feeling pretty committed most times; at this point we don't have to be right all that often to be profitable calling, and yet at the same time calling seems so gross.

GcluelesscommitmentnoobG

agreed that his turn betting range should be strong. If the guy has a clue he'll be betting flop with his nut flush draws that have now picked up a pair OTT. Not sure if I agree with the assumption that he's checking sets in this spot, which seems foolish on a semi-wet board multiway. Combo draws and sets seem more likely than KK-TT betting for thin value on the turn.

Not sure whether raising or just calling the turn is best. One merit to just calling is getting heroed on the river by repping a busted draw (which is what you did).

As played I ship river and expect to get called by AJ, AT etc. His river check is good news.

this is a direct odds + implied odds spot that seems close to me, wondering what you guys think!

1/3NL
Hero ($450): TAG
V1 ($300): older black guy who seems like a rec player, hasn't been too out of line.
V2 (1.5K): 40s white guy who raise/folded bottom two to a shove, has opened to 15-20 a few times, seems smarter than the avg bear but not a crusher.

UTG+2, Hero opens to 10 with TT, V1 flats, V2 makes it 30 total OTB, Hero flats, V1 makes it 40 more, V2 flats quickly, Hero...?

It's 10 to you and there is 110 in the pot. Obv a call, even if both players flipped over JJ+.

we can't setmine. fold. we need to win like 1K to make it worth calling. and what is a recreationals 4bet range (aa and less likely kk)

no the bet is 70

So it´s $40 more into $170. V1 really looks like he has AA or KK here. V2 probably has a pair or some premium big cards.

I'd say we are playing to farm a set here and we need to get 10-1 with implied odds at a minimum when we hit. I think we are probably getting the right price. If we flop an overpair we need to have the discipline to mostly throw it into the muck.

Ya this, 40 more to bink a set. Only ten to one implied but 170 in there.


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This hand came mid-session today and it bugs me how I played it.

1/2$ 100bb max 9 handed

Table has been super loose passive to Hero's TAG play in the last 2 hours, but now some new Vs (very agro and spewy in [I]select spots[/I) arrived and Hero is no longer table captain

Anyways

Hero ~400$ Early 20s. white. Playing TAG.

V1 ~100$ late 20s. fish. due to rungood got a 400$ stack at some point, but he is about to leave (his friend came to see him at the table) and he plays 66% all hands and his now straight up spewing his stack. 2h+ sample with this V

V2 ~120$ early 30s. middle-east looks. Only sat at the table an orbit ago. I've marked him as typical loose passive 1/2 player.

OTTH

V1 Double straddles to 8$
V2 is effective UTG
V2 limps.
Another person limps.
Hero in SB has 99, makes it 32$, hopes to take down the dead money or force V1 to spazz.

V1 is all in.
V2 is all in.

pot is 260$ and it's 88$ more for hero, getting 3:1 here what do you do?

@Nick

I'd go $40 (PSB) or more pre. Would consider shipping also. I want that dead money. If V1 wants to call, that is fine too.

As played snap call.

V is superstation. Slowplays two pair or better until the river. Literally only raising the river with the nuts. Running hot. Plays any two suited, connected, one gappers, any ace, any big cards, blah blah blah. $600

Hero has $550 maybe.

$1/2


5 limpers, SB calls, Hero checks A8 in BB

($13.50) Flop: K43

SB checks, Hero bets $10, V calls, unknown (assume stationy) calls

($42) Turn: 3

Hero bets $15...as a blocker bet


Good? Fishy?

Just came back from terrible session where I lost 1.5 buy-in at 1/2. For 2 big pots lost I completely misplayed one hand and the other I played a little bad.

My question: How often do you look back at a hand and go "Ok I played this super bad, this is what I should've done etc.etc." ?

@kookiemonster hey man

It's not fishy if you give up non club rivers and bomb river when you hit.
Checking it down is also decent line.

Once or twice a session at least. I am pretty terrible. I have learned to get over stuff in session though and not dwell on previous mistakes. Sometimes it takes me ten minutes or so. I like to go for walks after big hands I lost and know I played poorly.

Lol ok thx for the input! Same goes for me except this time it semi-tilted me

Calling, folding and raising all seemed like bad options for me in this spot - thoughts?

I raise in MP ($1/$3 NL) to $15 over one limper with Ah Jd.

Get 4 calls. $75ish in pot.

Flop 9h 5h 3h. Old man leads for $70. He called out of the BB.

He has about $180 behind.

I have everyone in the hand covered with 2 people left to act (SB checked).

Folding should be best unless you think old man can fold his hand then you can shove for all the dead money but his line is super strong and our equity is really not that great here vs a strong range.

Does anyone fold to a $10 raise in your 1/3 game, or is this just treated as an expensive limp as it is in mine? I would prefer a bigger raise usually, but in this case with bigger stacks and Button being deep / decent, I'd actually be cool with an overlimp.

If my numbers are right, there is $170 in the pot and V1 has $230 behind, so we're being asked to call $40 to win $400 plus whatever else we can win off V2. So 10:1 plus whatever else we can win.

Meh, I don't see us winning much off of V2 if both us and V1 are willing to get it in; if he was a drooler, maybe, but it should be pretty clear to him that V1 flatted the original raise with a huge pair so he's going to have to set up himself in order to give us action. I think it's too thin (the times he has AK and whiffs, the times he has KK on A high flop, the times we hit and lose our stack, etc.), so I fold.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I'm sure you know my thoughts on preflop and its (expected?) result.

I'm guessing old man ain't kidding around here? I mean, we're probably just down to our flush outs? If he has a baby flush, we don't even have the implied odds to call (and might not even get a call when we hit). If he has a set, we're barely getting the implied odds (plus he could still boat up). We also have 2 people left to act behind us, we can't put in a bunch of money just to get reraised. On the other hand, if old man could be betting just TP here (is he really donking a small TP into the world?), then we're crushing and are fine with a shove (plus it's massive FE). I just don't think we're up against a TP hand here enough, but maybe I'm wrong.

Gfolding,IthinkG

Definitely not threadworthy. Been thinking about winning pots that, if they went to showdown, would be a tie.

1/2, main villain has $150, I cover.

I'm in BB with AJo. 4 limpers, SB completes, and dealer (fairly, imo) misinterprets my playing with my chips as a check. Oopsie.

Flop ($10): A T 3

SB checks, I bet $10, standard LP preflop, no read postflop villain calls in MP, all others fold.

Turn ($28): K

I bet $20, villain calls.

River ($66): T

I check, villain bets $35 leaving about $85 back, I shove.

Good?

What other spots are you guys trying to win chops?

You have to know which players would normally check behind with Ax, expecting to chop.

Weird, I almost posted a hand here this morning about me checking back a T9866r river last time out with A7 when 3 people called my turn bet and checked it to me on the river for this very reason (i.e. didn't think there was huge value in a river bet and thought it much more likely a chopping hand attempts to blow me off my share).

GbutfeltsowussieaboutitthatIdecidednottopostitG

your spot looks like a decent spot for somebody else to try to fold one or two players off this chop. you bet the turn repping the straight, though, so you probably have less chance of folding a 7 than anybody else.

Not sure the math works, though, if anybody can ever have a boat here.