Yeah, it was a bad call for sure. If I said it once I said it a thousand times a great player makes his money by folding, not by calling (especially big river bets). It might take some time for the gp to learn when it's the right time to lay down a big hand. ANL had a huge course on this like 15 years ago called handreading 101.

Are you ever folding flop?

Cheesy or not, guys who look like they're thinking about folding, but then put in a raise, weren't thinking about folding. They were debating raising or calling. And that's almost invariably a sign of a very big hand.

That's 54 thinking if he wants to risk someone with 98 spiking a T if he calls or finding a hero fold if he raises. It ain't a guy with 65 doing poker maths in his head.

OMG! He had 54! No way!

This is my shocked face.

No. He played the hand in a way that shouldn't ever get him paid off vs like 98% of our range, but he managed to do so (and got unlucky).

He sounds like he fits into the category of players who once they get the nuts or a monster they wanna gii before anyone has a chance to draw out on them due to horrible memories and experiences when they got drawn out on and lost everything.

Maybe, maybe not, at least not too often, because there are 7 cards that will give us a boat on the turn, we've got good IO when V plays his flopped monsters this way, and there's a slight chance he's getting out of line and will check turn when we don't improve.

The lower the SPR, the more I'm folding. Here, the pot is still small enough on the flop and we still have enough left behind that I can over-ride the "FOLD NOW!" alarms and peel one card.

But when a loose-passive rec-fish x/r-3B's flop over a bet and a raise, gets not one but two callers, and then 2x over-bet jams turn on a brick, hell yeah, I can find a fold with bottom set. Don't even need time to think it over.

And I'm a guy who HATES folding. If I can fold here, you can too.

It sucks to fold a set, but it sucks worse to get dragged behind the bus the whole way to value town.

I mean, seriously, PFR c-bets, you raise, and V fake-tank Hollywood x/r-3B's. I might fold the flop here, if I've been right in my reads more often than I've been wrong.

I can't believe anyone is arguing we should call his turn jam. Time for a check-up from the neck-up.

I know right?

How did he react?

He ripped his cards in half, dropped trou, and took a $hlt on the table.

I guess I'm giving V more credit than he deserves. It's such a bad way to play a complete rainbow board straight on the turn where literally the only hand that can think of calling you is a set, and they shouldn't do it.

There are a lot of players in the player pool, and they don't all play the way "they should." Glad V lost.

He was confused for several minutes and asking questions like "you bet the turn right?" and "where did I go wrong?" and "why did you raise so much preflop, 30 is a big raise!" and each time the table corrected him. I tried to explain it was whale's fault that without his layover its a much easier fold.

jfc are you really publicly labeling a guy at the table a whale and pointing out him being in a pot is why you played?

he bet 2x with the nuts and asked where he went wrong lol this poor guy will never get it at this point. He probably said "it's his fault" while pointing at the whale. I doubt he used the term whale in front of the whale.

His turn jam is an overplay, but it's 1/3 and he's a rec-fish. These things happen in lower stakes live games.

It's not entirely insane, given the action to that point. In his spot, I'd be thinking that my opponents either have at least 2P, or at worst a draw to a higher straight.

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No I didn't call Shamu a whale to his face.

ok my apologies then, you'd be surprised how often I've witnessed that happen in real life

An Irishman walks into a pub, and sits down near two stout women speaking English with some other sort of accent.

He asks, "are you two lasses from Scotland?"

One of them angrily replies, "it's Wales!!!"

"I beg your pardon...are you two whales from Scotland?"

Well, now that TTHRIC, got to give a shout out to the song reference.