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11-29-2008 , 01:19 PM

SirRaisealot

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Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 434

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

SB: $86
BB: $310
UTG: $91
UTG+1: $62
MP1: $533.80
MP2: $236
CO: $493.40
Hero (BTN): $600

Pre-Flop: J

dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, MP1 raises to $12, 2 folds, Hero calls $12, 2 folds

Flop: ($30) 7

(2 Players)
MP1 bets $22, Hero raises to $70, MP1 raises to $202, Hero folds

Results: $170 Pot ($3 Rake)
MP1 mucked and WON $167 (+$85 NET)

Villain is a very aggressive TAG (400 hands). Do you just call the flop and call again on a blank turn? Does anyone raise/call here?

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11-29-2008 , 03:56 PM

soah

Unexpected

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lol what?

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11-29-2008 , 06:14 PM

ranka

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Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 7,499

Why you bluff with JJ?

a) raise and get it in
b) call

I would take the line b)

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11-29-2008 , 09:31 PM

13_Xerxes

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Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,968

3 bets PF, because you are the button.

As played, read Ranka's post.

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11-30-2008 , 01:12 AM

DoubleFly

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I lean towards 3 bet on flop. As played, since you are deeper than normal, I think I like a more passive line. I would need some history to get it in here.

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11-30-2008 , 03:08 AM

glaiearts

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not raising pre is fine... not continuing with this hand is bad

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11-30-2008 , 04:17 AM

cheesehom

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call turn...shove river

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11-30-2008 , 08:12 AM

SirRaisealot

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Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 434

Getting it in on this flop without history for 130BBs is pure spew, he will never show up with 88,99. Every hand in his range has me crushed, except AKs.

I think calling would have been a lot better, but what do I do if the turn is a club,T,Q,K,A and he bets 2/3 to full pot?

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11-30-2008 , 09:03 AM

dudeldo

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3-bet pre > call pre, call flop, look what happens on turn > your line

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11-30-2008 , 10:07 AM

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ranka

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PF is absolutely fine, if you are doing it ~ 50% of the time.

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12-01-2008 , 02:38 PM

#11

Thats What Happens

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looks relatively standard all around

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12-02-2008 , 06:58 PM

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billzfan86

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Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,175

Quote:

Originally Posted by 13_Xerxes

3 bets PF, because you are the button.

As played, read Ranka's post.

this is spot on

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12-02-2008 , 08:26 PM

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Deanglow

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 5,314

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Originally Posted by Thats What Happens

looks relatively standard all around

to whom?

raising is ridiculous to fold

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01-06-2009 , 10:14 PM

#14

Djay

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Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 133

The second he reraise you on flop you need to decide if you wanna play this hand for stacks.

Your problem is that by being deceptive preflop you don't know where you stand in the hand. When he reraises your stuck with an underrepped hand and your deception backfires.

Id love to know who villain was for a better read. Migth even have been me. lol.

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01-07-2009 , 09:20 AM

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tony_montana

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 180

Quote:

Originally Posted by 13_Xerxes

3 bets PF, because you are the button.

Why does being OTB make you more inclined to 3bet?

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01-08-2009 , 12:54 AM

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Renton

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lol this thread is too much

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01-08-2009 , 12:58 AM

#17

ranka

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RENTON IS BACK!

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