Villian has only 30 hands..probably his second 3 bet...Its an EP raise, getting reraised from the blinds, Kind of freezes me.

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CO: $68
BTN: $458.50
SB: $285.30
BB: $240.35
UTG: $66
Hero (UTG+1): $400
MP: $62

Pre-Flop: Q Q dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $14, 4 folds, BB raises to $44, Hero ?

Plan for flop...

You're not giving us a lot of info here, but usually, I'll call preflop.

SPR is going to be about 2.5.

Unless the flop is super ugly, I'm usually going to be willing to get it in if there is no King or Ace on the flop because he only has 60 BBs. I'm okay with calling this a cooler if he's got AA or KK.

That was my plan, and thats what I did...flop came with a king, so I gave it up....curious to see how others play getting 3 bet in this spot..doesnt happen often in this position, so I give it alot more credit.

given stack sizes i think calling is by far the worst option.

fold>4bet/commit>>call but i think fold and 4bet are really close.

i agree never call

i 4bet, although i think its close

Why never call? This hand will be pretty easy to play profitably in position postflop.

you're going to make too many incorrect folds on "unsafe" boards, too many incorrect calls on "safe" boards, losing out on stacking JJ on many boards, and AK is going to play perfectly against you.

either you think his 3b range is really strong, in which case you should fold (because you don't have set odds), or you think it is sufficiently wide, in which case it's better to just get in the remaining 40bb's and hope he makes a really bad call with 99-TT/AQ/etc.

really the only thing that calling does is pick up cbets from bluffs. and if you think he's going to have enough bluffs to cbet, you might as well push your preflop equity and get it in.

How does AK play perfectly? C-betting boards where he misses is not playing perfectly against us. If anything, we play perfectly against him when he has Ace King.

Also, your claim that calling misses value from JJ is debatable. First, how often does he even have JJ in this spot? Second, he may not call a preflop shove with it. The type of person who three-bets a UTG raise w/ JJ is often doing that for "info," and folding to a shove. When we call though, he won't be able to get away on low flops.

I don't think there's any question that calling is the better option if he has a good amount of bluffs in his range. If he's bluffing and we shove, we win $60. If we call, and he c/fs, we win the same. However, if he b/f's $60 instead, we win $120 when there's no Ace or King (~ 2/3 of the time), and lose only the $30 call when he blows us off the hand.

Obviously, this is an over simplification, I can't possibly account for every board texture and flops that he hits and flops that he kind of hits enough to price himself in, etc, but I'm saying, it's a hard case to make that shoving is better if his range contains a lot of bluffs.

Here's my 2 cents in my drunk state....If you think 4 bet...than calling is just as good...in that, 4 betting folds all the hands you beat, and calling lets them bluff the hands you are ahead of or payoff....How many players are betting into a king high flop after someone calls their 3 bet????

Flop comes 9 high..villian is stacking off with JJ or TT....we 4 bet..he's folding those hands for sure...also, if we just call, we can force AK to fold on the flop....again, im drunk, but play better drunk..come get some!

a random with 60 big blinds? come on get it in

If you shove, you're praying for a coin flip. There is no way you can tell me that if the villain calls our shove, he is going to show up with JJ-22 more often than AA-KK. There is a slim chance villain goes to the felt here with JJ, but it's more likely that he mucks it. Shoving folds all the hands we beat.

If the villain has AA-KK, it doesn't matter if we shove or if we call--we are getting stacked on a low board either way. The way to make money in this hand is to assume we are facing AK or a lower pair and let the villain fire off his cbet on the flop.

The average 2p2er is a lot smarter than some random player AND we've got position. Let's use that to our advantage in this spot and call.

4bet and get in vs fish.

you've provided us no information to make this statement not true..... 4 bet/get it in... and it's not even close.

With no stats this is shove or fold imo and I would shove this all day. I doubt villain is considering positional opening ranges.

Would rarely call because QQ should play well against his range. It's pretty easy to show why getting in pre with QQ will be +EV. It is much harder to show why calling with QQ will be +EV... keep it simple when possible.