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NL200 OP: Good hand, bad flop: Bet-Fold or Check-Call? NL200 OP: Good hand, bad flop: Bet-Fold or Check-Call?

12-25-2011 , 05:54 PM
Yesterday and today I experienced almost twice the same situation. And I do not know what to do.

So I ask for your help.

A)

Yesterday I had AsAc in the big blind. I had just arrived at the table and I did not know my opponents. I raise preflop. Two callers (MP and CO) (both are full stack) against me. The flop is Kh Th 7h.

What to do on flop?
1) Bet-fold?
2) Check-Call?

B) Today... a somewhat similar situation.

I have AcQc in the small blind. I am sitting at the table for 30 minutes. I raise, two callers ( CO and Button). Boths are full stack. CO appears to be a TAG and Button a fish. The flop is As Qs 2s. So I have double pair but no spades.

What to do on flop?
1) Bet-fold?
2) Check-call?

Thank you very much in advance!
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12-25-2011 , 05:58 PM
A) Easy B/F
B) A little tougher but I still probably B/F readless
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12-25-2011 , 06:12 PM
Grunch

Both are B/f in general, but versus some opponents they might bet B/C or B/3B.
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12-25-2011 , 06:18 PM
yeah i'm 1 not check folding either, the 2nd i'm bet calling/3 betting vs most opponents
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12-25-2011 , 07:34 PM
1) not folding aces. even can play like c/r
2) check-call to see turn. depends on the opp also
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12-25-2011 , 07:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by justkrik
1) not folding aces. even can play like c/r
2) check-call to see turn. depends on the opp also
I'm quite interested in why you advocate these
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12-25-2011 , 08:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valdo909
Yesterday and today I experienced almost twice the same situation. And I do not know what to do.

So I ask for your help.

A)

Yesterday I had AsAc in the big blind. I had just arrived at the table and I did not know my opponents. I raise preflop. Two callers (MP and CO) (both are full stack) against me. The flop is Kh Th 7h.

What to do on flop?
1) Bet-fold?
2) Check-Call?

B) Today... a somewhat similar situation.

I have AcQc in the small blind. I am sitting at the table for 30 minutes. I raise, two callers ( CO and Button). Boths are full stack. CO appears to be a TAG and Button a fish. The flop is As Qs 2s. So I have double pair but no spades.

What to do on flop?
1) Bet-fold?
2) Check-call?

Thank you very much in advance!
Grunch
There is lots of key information that is left out to give good responses. 100 BB effective I assume? Raise size/pot size?

1) This flop is coordinated, but I don't know that I am bet folding here as you get raised by a lot of draws qj, 87h, a7h, sets, random kq hands etc. I am betting and probably getting it in vs 1 villain on the flop, but more than likely. I bet flop check turn and evaluate rivers.

I'd rather c/f flop than c/c and have no clue where we are at.

2) Get it in vs fish, might be folding to the tag. Without better reads this is tough. But a tag would probably try to get you to fold with a hand like ksqx or axks. There shouldn't be many flushes in a true tags range. If you actually think he is a tag I only see kjss,ktss, jtss in his range.
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12-25-2011 , 08:56 PM
C/call is bad on both
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12-25-2011 , 11:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by justkrik
2) check-call to see turn.
Never. Hero has top two pair. Yes the board is monotone, so caution is in order since there could be a made flush. But by betting we (a) try to extract some value if any is to be had, and (b) protect our hand by punishing draws. Make a pot-sized bet to deny drawing odds, and fold to a re-raise.

Last edited by maggler; 12-25-2011 at 11:24 PM. Reason: typo
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12-25-2011 , 11:47 PM
In both cases, was the action limped to you? Or did someone open with a raise and then flat your 3-bet?

That second hand, someone can easily raise you with AXs, so I would be more inclined to bet/call flop and then jam non spade turns.

First hand is extremely read dependant. In some spots, I might even c/r/f here if stacks are deep enough. Hard for tight villains to continue with a non nut flush here. Yes this turns our hand somewhat into a bluff though we may get some value from TP hands.
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