Played in local casino 9 players.

Stack sizes:
me: 300bb
SB: 150bb
Utg+2 300bb

SB is unknown, but I saw him playing higher stakes another day and he has been 3betting pf many times, no other reads. Male under 30.
Utg+2 plays quite tight pf and seems like a solid player, hasnt been involved in any big pots tonight before this hand and has only opened a couple of hands. Male under 30.
My image should be solid too, been showing only good hands when making it to the showdown and keeping it cool.

Utg&utg+1 fold
Utg+2 opens to 4bb
I 3 bet to 12bb from cutoff with JhJd
SB 4bets to 30bb
Utg+2 calls
I call

Flop 3d5d8s (pot 92bb)
Sb checks
Utg+2 bets 45bb
I call
Sb fold

Turn: 8c

Utg+2 shoves.
Pot is now 182bb (+what he shoved) and we both had about 225bb behind at this point.

Call or fold?

Uh I'd fold flop. Sb can very easily have aces or kings still and utg is betting.

Snap fold turn

I had the feeling SB gave up when he checked against 2 players. Against one player it would be a bit different. I feel most players would cbet on this spot with those hands. I might be wrong too ofc.

Calling flop is not that bad. Calling or folding is about right i guess depends on timing, reads etc


Turn Now i would say calling turn would be a mistake. For me snap fold on a Nl200 cash game

I'm curious about this game. I take it that you're primarily an on-line player. Virtually no live player calls it 200nl, it is 1/2 to them. Nor do they put the stacks in bb. What is the max buyin? At 1/2, the max buy is often 300. Can the villains buy in for more? FWIW, it is polite to the dealer to make your bet size in denominations above 20 in increments of 5. Don't bet 24, make it 25. It is a little thing, but in close decisions, dealers are human and going to lean towards someone who is making their life easier, not harder. What is the next biggest game in the room and is it the biggest game in the room? How many tables of that runs?

As for the hand, a snug player flats a 4bet. Odds a pretty low they both have AK or there is an AK and 99. If JJ is the best hand on the flop, not going to make much more money in a 3 way pot without a set. In game, I'd probably call but regret it later. Flop is a fold for the reasons drowski mentions.

Advice for future posts:
Post blind level explicitly. Call it “1/2” not NL200, “1/3” not NL300, “2/5” not NL500, etc.
Post stack sizes in $$ not blinds.

I’d call the flop. It is simply too likely UTG+2 is betting off a small pp for protection, putting SB on AK. Live players are fairly oblivious to multi-way spots and he may not realize that Hero is a concern in the hand.

Turn is probably a fold, but I’m having a hard time putting UTG+2 on a value hand. Maybe a slowplayed AA? Probably QQ. Could he be overvaluing 99/TT given the flush draw is present? Maybe. Live players are bad.

He can also have a flush draw. Turn seems close. I guess UTG+2 just has QQ or trapped AA but that’s such a specific range and we’re getting a price. Not sure. I could get behind either a call or fold with reads.

Interesting hand.

I used to be online player who played live only very rarely. These days I mostly play live (actually just began to build a live roll for this game limit with intention to play for real).

Yes 300 is the maximum buy-in, and the next game is 500 where you can buy-in for 1500 (dont ask me why they allow more in that limit). Sometimes they have bigger than that but only rarely.

Thank you for the tips, hadnt really tought about it like that!

Thank you for the advice, ive just began posting and not really familiar with the etiquette but trying to learn so I will keep that in my mind.

I will post the result of the hand and my own comments regarding it after a short while, but yeah this was a tricky spot and it was hard for me (and still is) to figure out which would be the correct decision in general for the given scenario.

Given your read that utg+2 is tight/solid his range on this action should be very strong. I expect he is mostly qq+ but even if we add a few flush draw combos like ak/aq/kq we still don't have even close to enough equity to call.

Yeah you wrote 2 hands I could put him on exactly in the end..

Result of the hand:

I almost run out of time thinking whether to call or not in the table, and ended up folding.

I could put him only on QQ or AKs with flush draw, or very unlikely the same hand as myself.
I think its unlikely for him to have KK+ because the action would suggest him to 5bet those hands.
Me and him were kind of deep, and by flatting he gave me good odds to call with a lot of hands, unless he was hoping I shove when its back to me. He could had fought for the SBs stack with KK-AA without 3-way flop.

Could he have 99-1010 or AQ? No imo, calling that 4bet would had been heavily out of his image especially with me still behind.

If I put him on the correct range, I think my equity was less than it should had been to warrant a call.

Im not even sure if I should call the flop here anymore, even with the fact that SB really seemed to give up. I quess I was hoping him to check the turn but what a wishful thinking it was. Would folding on the flop be too weak?

I told him later that evening what I had in the hand in hopes of him telling me what he had, but he didnt want to tell me which is of course reasonable.

call flop having one diamond, fold turn vs this tight profile that opens from ep and flats cold 4bet.