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NL200 - AKs vs 3bet Coldcall NL200 - AKs vs 3bet Coldcall

07-17-2022 , 05:09 PM
Blinds 1/2

Eff. Stack 180

Hero CO AKdd

UTG (Reg) open 8, H 3bet 26, BTN (Unkown) call 26, Blinds & UTG fold

Pot 63
Flop 933r one d

x, xb

Turn Qd

H x, V bet 36, H call 36

Pot 135
River T none d

H x, V jam 118, H fold


On the flop I think that all ways are fine, cbet, x/call or x/shove. Turn is simular, cbet or x/call, mayb x/shove. I decided to x/call this time, because my hand has reasoanble good shwodown value if I dont improve. River is a clear x/f or? I might be ahead against AJ and I block AQ, KQ.
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07-17-2022 , 06:17 PM
I agree with the flop check most of the time. If you were to bet it, you'd have to be prepared to barrel again on the turn, and be prepared for a good player to know you probably don't have a 9 or a 3 so they may feel they can push you off of it.

I would cbet that turn, having picked up the flush draw. I agree that you might sometimes x/call it, and AK is the best hand to do that with, but not the AKdd. Also, this only makes sense if you have a few strong hands that you would do it with, too, such as QQ (though that would have been bet on the flop nearly all the time). Against a rabidly aggressive player, I would x/call with 99, which also could have gotten here with the action so far (assuming you sometimes would 3-bet preflop with 99, which I would).

V could have picked up a flush draw on the turn and now, sensing weakness, is trying to steal it, but how many flush draws could he have since you have the ace? Is he the type to call a preflop 3-bet cold with JTs. I count nine AQ, three KQs, three 99, and two A3s that could get here and are betting for value. QJs would, I think, check behind, but maybe three of those, as well. That's 17 combos of betting for value. How many missed draw combos could he have, given that you have locked up the two highest diamonds? Definitely not the 12 or so you need to make this a call, I can't even find 6.

Fold.
NL200 - AKs vs 3bet Coldcall Quote
07-17-2022 , 11:00 PM
Awkward run out, long story short I can get on board with a cry bluff catch with AdKd here but let everything else go.

I'm ok with flop check only if we are checking our whole range. I prefer betting whole range small here because I think all the hands we have here can benefit from equity denial and making the pot bigger in case we win because flop is pretty neutral for both you and villain but your range is stronger.

Turn that's my least favorite diamond to see but it is a diamond and we may be good with a K so let's see a river. I'm really concerned that you don't get paid though because what hand do you check call this turn with that's not a flush draw?

River do we ever have TT? Not really unless you check flop with range which. Do we check/call AQ or KQ on the turn? Also not really. We are arriving at the reason why I wouldn't want to split range on the flop because now you are essentially folding everything you show up at this river with. Do you call turn with AK without the flush draw? Probably not. So you have AdJd and AdKd here, maybe you have AdTd and KdJd. You are really crushed with the Q on board though because there's not many hands that aren't already paired in villains range. Maybe he could have AJs or KJs but not with the flush draw. KJ and AJ are decent turn bluff candidates for him because it blocks your KQs, QJs, has an over and a gutshot. Your AK is blocking them but you are ahead of all his bluffs and not blocking the J, plus you don't have anything else to bluff catch with so I can get on board with calling AdKd and folding the others unless you have AT here sometimes then that's the hand to make a stand with.

Last edited by reaper6788; 07-17-2022 at 11:09 PM.
NL200 - AKs vs 3bet Coldcall Quote
07-18-2022 , 05:48 AM
thanks, really good comments.

I tend to see it more like Zag24 and don't find enough bluff combos to justify a call. Also in general, 3bet coldcall ranges rather strong (including even AA, KK) and population underbluffs.

Counter argument is that my range is extremly capped and weak on the river. Nevertheless, I see some QQ, TT and AK w/o d combos in my river range, which are better bluffcatchers. Calling with these might be enough to protect my range.

What do you think this guy is calling with preflop? I would assign something like this: 77+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, AQo+.
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07-18-2022 , 08:29 PM
I believe you having QQ, TT, or non d AK on this river after this action is wishful thinking.

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07-19-2022 , 12:50 PM
I think you played it good. I like to pick boards like this to balance my AK and barrel with back door draw which you had. I fire again on the Qd and consider giving up river if called twice although triple barrel would be fine too I think. AP I’m comfortable check jamming turn or just playing how you did. Hard to go wrong any which way with this runout. Can even call river although it’s ambitious. I’ve generally found paired boards better for bluff catching with AK.
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07-19-2022 , 01:03 PM
Any info on Villain? What was your plan vs a flop bet? Think this a spot where his range is all PP's, AQ,AJ,KQs. The question is can you bet flop, shove turn and get PP's that didnt connect to fold? If you believe V can find a turn fold I think bet flop, shove turn is the play. If not then checking flop with a plan is the play. My plan is probably XF and know that you might be seen as 3betting light.

As played why not lead that turn? You have picked up equity and its a scare card for all his small PP's that he was trying to get to showdown with.
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07-19-2022 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Kenji
On the flop I think that all ways are fine, cbet, x/call or x/shove.
I think the only thing we can do if we're continuing here is to just jam the flop, since we started with 90 bb's. He may even fold most of his PP's thinking we have a higher one, but there's really no room to c/c and turn into a passive mode here. Use max FE OTF and just jam (unless he's a tight nit where we can c/f but we have zero reads or info on him here).
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07-19-2022 , 04:02 PM
Pretty difficult without having any idea if villain calls preflop with a hand he likes or with a hand he likes against somebody who 3bet vs UTG.

Most of the time on that kind of flop we have 6 outs or villain has 3-6 outs. Unless we decide to basically turn our hand into a bluff even though it’s the best hand a lot of the time, there’s no reason to bet big.
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07-19-2022 , 08:07 PM
I think check-jam turn is best. Flop we're mostly checking with our range - we have QQ+ that BTN doesn't, but IP's cold calling range is fairly strong and condensed, so OOP we're doing a lot of checking on low boards where we have a bunch of hands that miss completely. If cbetting flop, I'd go with a small betsize with smaller PPs that benefit from protection (JJ/TT) and balance with JTs because that blocks villain's most likely PPs - he shouldn't really have QQ+. But in practice I'd probably just check range.

So on the turn, we are completely uncapped while button did weaken his range by choosing to check back. We pick up a lot of equity onthe Qd, but we're never winning against BTN's value range if we don't hit. I disagree with AK having SDV if you miss. Villain's 3-bet cold call range is very strong; and even if you can beat some hands, BTN could also bluff you off A high with his lower unpaired combos if you check/call turn and check river. SPR is low, just get it it here with the nut flush draw and your overpairs. BTN might call with a Q in which case you might have more outs than just diamonds, and other times when you have AA/KK/AQ you have him crushed. 99 should probably call turn because it doesn't need protection, and if villain has a flush draw we want to give him the chance to hit or bluff, not the chance to fold when he's drawing dead.

Last edited by GuitarDean; 07-19-2022 at 08:13 PM.
NL200 - AKs vs 3bet Coldcall Quote
07-20-2022 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by peten2toms
Any info on Villain?
unfortunately no

Quote:
Originally Posted by peten2toms
Any info on Villain? What was your plan vs a flop bet?
x/c or x/shove, because I prefer action probably rather the second

Quote:
Originally Posted by peten2toms
Think this a spot where his range is all PP's, AQ,AJ,KQs. The question is can you bet flop, shove turn and get PP's that didnt connect to fold?
Because I have no information about villain, I would probably say no

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Originally Posted by peten2toms
As played why not lead that turn? You have picked up equity and its a scare card for all his small PP's that he was trying to get to showdown with.
A delayed cbet is definitely an option here and generates foldequity against some PPs, plus my specific combo blocks some AQ/KQ combos, sadly not the suited ones, which are more likely 3bet coldcalls imo. However, I like checking as well, since (sure) I am behind against his PPs, but these will check this turn behind giving me a freecard and I am way ahead against his non Q broadway combos. Lets say he has AJ, why should I bet to make a worse hand fold? It's better to let it bluff or check down or hit an A on the river and let it pay you off. Same argument for ATs/KJs/KTs/A5s/A4s/... Additionally, I block villains xb/bet/shove AQ/KQ combos.
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