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NL2/3. QQ low monotone flop NL2/3. QQ low monotone flop

12-28-2023 , 11:00 PM
NL2/3. 9 handed. UTG straddles. 4 limpers to me at BB w QdQ. I raise to $45. Only MP and BU call.

Flop ($130): 8d6d4d

I have stack $210. MP has $185. BU has $100.

Shovel on flop, or wait for a safe turn to jam, or better plan from flop on?

If I have QsQh, any different play?
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12-28-2023 , 11:22 PM
id either check or bet very small like $30. CRing all in is possible given what happens if you check the flop.
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12-29-2023 , 02:40 AM
Raise bigger pre. At least $50. Nothing wrong with $55-$60. You've got a big pair, you're OOP, it's low stakes, and it's a loose/passive game, apparently. You want this heads-up.

Flop - pretty sure we're supposed to bet smaller on monotone flops and in multi-way pots. I'd think that means we go even smaller when it's both monotone and multi-way. Definitely less than 1/3 pot. Maybe not even 1/4, considering we're OOP and V's could have some sets and 2P here, in addition to some flopped straights and flushes. Maybe go 15%-20%. Force V's to figure out an optimal response.

If we c-bet flop small, I don't think we should be jamming turn, no matter what the card is. I don't think I'd be jamming unless we somehow boat up on the river.

Having the Qd probably changes things compared to not having the Qd, but I'm honestly unsure how it changes. Another d on turn or river might make one of our V's a better hand, and if it doesn't, it could shut down the action. If we're not jamming unless we boat up on the river, the suits of our QQ wouldn't seem to matter much.

Check-calling / check-folding (if it goes bet-call) on flop are both options as well, since it's a single-raised pot and we're OOP. I'm still not thinking about jamming turn, whether we check-call or it gets checked through.

Maybe at this SPR, we can jam turn if one of the V's fold flop and the turn is a Q. Otherwise, I just don't see why we'd be jamming 1P here.

Last edited by docvail; 12-29-2023 at 02:47 AM.
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12-29-2023 , 02:56 AM
With SPR just over 1 I'm ok just shipping this. We certainly can get called by worse and always have decent equity against better unless someone flopped a nutty flush.
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12-29-2023 , 10:52 AM
Albeit less important, shipping also denies equity to pairs that can spike sets, non-heart overcards and straight draws.

In general, monotone boards (esp multiway) favour small bets/checks with most holdings.

With no depth, this doesn't apply. SPR is too low to maneuver and it's fine to stack off with overpair + FD here.

Not having the Qd would certainly change things.
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12-29-2023 , 02:32 PM
Check flop and probably stack off.. opponents always assume you have AK when you check flop so they will feel more comfortable betting any pair for value.
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01-04-2024 , 03:57 AM
All in. Max value from AdXo and KdXo. Can get looked up by weaker XdYo too. Small PPs are inelastic and folding to any bet, as are most of Vs ranges. Would suck to have it x through, 5 rolls off and a random J7s beats you.
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01-04-2024 , 12:47 PM
At these small stack sizes any reasonable raise preflop comfortably commits us postflop with an overpair. So I'm cool with any raise >= $30 preflop that gets us action.

And at these stack sizes I just shove the flop (even with no diamond). If someone outflopped us for like 1/3 - 1/4 of their stack preflop, nice hand sir. ETA: At small SPRs when committed (which we are), I would always lean to simply protecting my equity in the pot ASAP. I would leave all other plays (checking, betting small, etc.) to big SPR spots (where we are more concerned about protecting our stack behind).

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Last edited by gobbledygeek; 01-04-2024 at 12:53 PM.
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01-06-2024 , 11:30 AM
Preflop is good.

Flop at this SPR with overpair + flush draw I'm happy to either bet small/jam turn, or to check-shove now; but open jamming isn't bad either, you can still get a shrug call from AdX. Without a diamond this is very awkward and I'd be inclined to start with a check and go from there, but reluctant to stack off willy-nilly.
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01-06-2024 , 04:59 PM
Pre-flop is fine. On the flop I'd prob bet ~40-50 to give someone space to shove overtop. Which, if they do, call. You're likely ahead here, and your hand still has a chance to improve. Get your money in while ahead.

Without a diamond, I think we bet bigger on the flop, ~60-70, to make it clear we aren't folding to the short stack. In the off chance MP wants to get creative, you can consider bet/folding to an MP shove (which would look quite strong considering BTN would still have to act behind).
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